iaddca
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OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:56 pm

..with VX, B6, and WN adding LCC service over the last 6 months at SFO?

That bus from OAK to the BART stop is slow and ghetto, much rather do the direct BART board at SFO. Now that fares are coming into line across the Bay, do you think OAK will go back to just serving O&D pax on the East Bay?
 
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:57 am

With WN entrenched at OAK, I don't think the airport will revert back to its old days. OAK will only expand, albeit, slowly with all of the construction and the lack of gates.

Right now, most of the south half of terminal 1's airside is closed because of construction. Some of T1's tenants are using T2 gates.
 
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting Iaddca (Thread starter):
That bus from OAK to the BART stop is slow and ghetto

For those considering the bus, "slow" means 12-15 minutes. "Ghetto" means nothing.
 
Boston92
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:19 am

If you live in OAK, the 10 minute bus ride is nothing compared to the 1+hour train ride "direct" to SFO.
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
If you live in OAK, the 10 minute bus ride is nothing compared to the 1+hour train ride "direct" to SFO.

Well you have to get to where the 10-minute bus ride starts, first.
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Boston92
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Well you have to get to where the 10-minute bus ride starts, first.

I said if you live in Oakland. The bart ride from Oakland takes at least an hour. If you live south of Oakland, it will take up to 2 hours.
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
I said if you live in Oakland.

19th St. to Coliseum plus the connection time plus the bus ride would take how much time in comparison to Powell St. to SFO? Not too much difference I wouldn't think.
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Boston92
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):

Okay...using your example:

OAK 19th Street to SFO would be a 58 minute trip. Tack on an extra 15 minutes for the airTrain to take you from the Bart station to the actual terminal. That would be a 1 hour and 13 minute trip.

Oak19th Street to OAK would be a 10 minute ride plus the avg 8 minute connetion time plus the 12 minute bus ride and that comes to be a 30 minute trip.
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:42 am

I'm happy to see SFO with great new service, but for those of us in the East Bay, OAK still rocks! How do you beat OAK-LAX with 22 daily frequencies on WN?
 
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:06 am

I think the OP has a very valid point. SFO now has more "LCCs" than OAK. The days of OAK attracting pax from the entire Bay Area are likely over. Arguing whether someone living in Oakland will use OAK is beside the point. The point is people in the city, the peninsula, or the south bay are less likely to make the hike to OAK with all of the new service at SFO.
 
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting Bayareapilot (Reply 9):
I think the OP has a very valid point. SFO now has more "LCCs" than OAK. The days of OAK attracting pax from the entire Bay Area are likely over. Arguing whether someone living in Oakland will use OAK is beside the point. The point is people in the city, the peninsula, or the south bay are less likely to make the hike to OAK with all of the new service at SFO.

It all depends on where you fly. OAK still has the cheaper fares to many of the cities that SFO still has a higher price. One example is SEA.
 
iaddca
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
OAK still has the cheaper fares to many of the cities that SFO still has a higher price. One example is SEA.

but how many transcons will make it?
 
FlyOakland2IAH
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:05 am

My 2 cents about BART and SFO...

One time, we went into SFO instead of OAK, shortly after the SFO BART connection started running. It took a good 20 minutes of hiking from the CO baggage claim to the BART station... had to take an elevator down to the garage level, walk through a tunnel, take a garage elevator up to the inter terminal train, ride the pokey train, take more stairs..., then over an hour ride on BART to our destination in the East Bay. Phew!

At OAK, the AirBART leaves pretty much outside baggage claim. 15 minutes, and you're at the Coliseum BART (but be careful of the hustlers trying to get tips for showing you how to use the BART ticket machines!). It's 20 minutes from the Colisuem BART to downtown SF, vs. 35 minutes from SFO. This is why I advocate OAK!
 
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting FlyOakland2IAH (Reply 12):
One time, we went into SFO instead of OAK, shortly after the SFO BART connection started running. It took a good 20 minutes of hiking from the CO baggage claim to the BART station... had to take an elevator down to the garage level, walk through a tunnel, take a garage elevator up to the inter terminal train, ride the pokey train, take more stairs..., then over an hour ride on BART to our destination

2 weeks ago, SFO opened a new bridge directly from the Terminal to the Airtrain. No more dragging your baggage through the garage.
 
FlyOakland2IAH
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 13):
2 weeks ago, SFO opened a new bridge directly from the Terminal to the Airtrain. No more dragging your baggage through the garage.

Finally!  veryhappy 

Although I'll probably still favor OAK for less hassles (although SFO is the place to be for great spotting...)
 
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RE: OAK Back To East Bay O&D?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:08 pm

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 13):
2 weeks ago, SFO opened a new bridge directly from the Terminal to the Airtrain. No more dragging your baggage through the garage.

A much appreciated feature on my last visit.
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