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Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:50 am

Good Morning,

I have a question / comment. I flew US-Airways PHL-SAN last night for the first time since they where bought out by America West. I have to say that listening to all of the horror stories on the news about how bad this week would be for air travel I was a bit nervous BUT the flight was excellent. The cabin crew was great, the A320 was in very good shape, clean and comfortable with an onboard movie and we actually arrived in SAN early! Thank you America West!

The reason I say America West is because on the side of a newly painted plane there was a big sticker that said "Operated by America West Airlines, Inc.". The inside of the plane was all America West and the flight crew wore America West Uniforms. The Amerca West emblem was on everything except the junk in the seat back pocked and video.

So my question is the buyout is at least a year old if not older. Why does everything still say America West? I thought they were going to ditch that name in favor of US Airways. Just curious.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:34 am

Its possible that they decided it too expensive to redo the interiors at this time.

As for the sticker, I am pretty sure that airlines have to say the name on the operating certificate. I was recently on AE SXM-SJU. The flights there are operated on the Executive Airlines operating certificate, and the planes were marked as such, even though the flight is marketed as Americn Eagle.
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:35 am

The airline still has two separate operating divisions and certificates. The aircraft you were on was a US "West" aircraft which was operated by America West crews on America West aircraft (most of the A320s are ex-America West as US "East" only has 20). I believe that the full merging of the operating certificates, crews, aircraft, etc. is supposed to happen sometime within the next few months (the date is constantly changing). When that happens, everything will be US Airways except for the callsign which, I believe, will be "Cactus" which was the HP callsign.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting Vctony (Reply 2):
The airline still has two separate operating divisions and certificates. The aircraft you were on was a US "West" aircraft which was operated by America West crews on America West aircraft (most of the A320s are ex-America West as US "East" only has 20). I believe that the full merging of the operating certificates, crews, aircraft, etc. is supposed to happen sometime within the next few months (the date is constantly changing). When that happens, everything will be US Airways except for the callsign which, I believe, will be "Cactus" which was the HP callsign.

Exactly. Essentially, the flight you were on was "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" ... not unlike when you board a US Airways Express regional flight, but the sticker next to the door will say "Operated by Air Wisconsin" and the crews will have Air Wisconsin uniforms.

The interiors are a different story ... the HP interiors will likely be changed in due time.
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:08 am

The question you need to ask is...

Would the service and flight have been as good if it was flown by a US Airways (PHL) based aircraft and crew?  Wink

In all fairness though, I have flown US Airways (with eastern based Crew and Aircraft) from PHL/CLT to the west coast and had a good experience overall. I have flown on the A321's and the A319's and they are all in good condition and have a nice feel. I'm not that keen on the grey seats and they do make the interiors a little dull, but that would have been a decision by old US Airways and think the newer ones now come with dark blue leather seats,
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:29 am

The HP airbii are in quite a bit better shape inside. This is largely a question of age and really has nothing to do with them east and west aircraft being maintained to a different standard. Some of the ancient West 757's have interior issues that are right up to par with the east 767's.

THere is a considerable fleet renewal going on. All fo teh 767's (except one they didn;t get to) have new blue leather seats in economy and the Envoy class seats will be replaced with new "near lie-flat" seats this winter.

On another note... as for US Express, the Mesa CRJ-900's (whgich do express flying out of CLT, PHX and LAS) are relatively new and actually have very nice interiors for regional jets. Also some of the CRJ's are being refitted with new leather interiors.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:16 am

What PHL and CLT flying is HP doing now? I know there's a PHX-CLT-PHX turn that is in CLT around 2000 local, and apparently this PHL-SAN flight. What else?
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
What PHL and CLT flying is HP doing now? I know there's a PHX-CLT-PHX turn that is in CLT around 2000 local, and apparently this PHL-SAN flight. What else?

HP is doing some of the turns on PHL to SAN, PDX, SFO (and a few others).


Just an FYI; any US flight number from 1-699 is operated by HP. 700-1999 US
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 5):
The HP airbii are in quite a bit better shape inside.

I don't think the HP 320s are in better shape. I was in my first 320 from the west recently, on a PHX-PDX-CLT(redeye) recently, and the 320 was old and worn out. The IFE screens were old, and the colors were off, so much that it made it almost impossible to watch the trivia they play on short[er] flights.

Also as far as crew 'friendliness' goes, I'd say there are good and bad apples on both sides. Just on monday, on a CLT-PHX flight on a 321 (us east), I experienced the BEST flight crew I have ever flown with. The captain, gave all kinds of info about the aircraft, not just the route. He gave thrust per engine, and some other details i cannot recall. But I have never experienced that from the flight deck on ANY airline.

Of course I've been on many east flights, where the pilots said nothing. Same with the west flights; my guess is, it depends on the crew, and how 'fresh' they are, after a long day of delays, I'd imagine they would want to just get the flight overwith. Can't say I blame them.

Quoting Vctony (Reply 2):
I believe that the full merging of the operating certificates, crews, aircraft, etc. is supposed to happen sometime within the next few months (the date is constantly changing).

The latest date, announced sometime last month, is 27SEP, or there abouts, and it is still a go. The west is just going to be switching over their OPS system to DECS (a part of sabre), and HP will be a memory (I will miss it, even though I work for 'east' I lived in PHX for 8 years).



***In general I would say that I have noticed a significant increase in customer service as of late. Although, still not up to par I can only hope that as more time progresses, we continue to move in the right direction. The rejouvenation of the fleet, and the 737 replacement beginning in late '08, will really help things as well.

Quoting Ual-Fan (Thread starter):
I have to say that listening to all of the horror stories on the news about how bad this week would be for air travel I was a bit nervous BUT the flight was excellent. The cabin crew was great, the A320 was in very good shape, clean and comfortable with an onboard movie and we actually arrived in SAN early

Glad you enjoyed your flight. Hopefully you will fly US again in the future.

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Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:42 am

I think US Airways is pretty good, but the America West planes are lacking in first class. The seat pitch is tighter than the industry standard and it is ridiculous that they only serve food on flights over 3.5 hours. I flew SEA-PHX-STL and didn't get any food in first class on those flights even though they were during meal times. That was pretty obnoxious especially when my connection in PHX was only 35 minutes, so there wasn't time to get food.
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:11 am

I always encourge folks to try USAirways vs. their LCCs where they are competitive. The USAirways product is far superior and so less stressful, both at the terminal and on the aircraft. If you are not used to a pre-reserved seat, you will welcome the change. If you are used to riding on Airbus' competitive aircraft with those other guys, you will welcome the wider cabin, generally better seats, and quieter cabin. The crew attitude is a bit more professional. Having a little entertainment service, even on shorter flights such as LAX to SAN, is a delight. Give USAirways a chance. They are trying real hard and in the end, they will be amongst the best!

Thanks for hearing me out!
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:04 am

I wish I would have written down the names of our Flight Attendants last night. One Blonde one Red Head. Both quite attractive but what stood out most was the fun and professional way they did thier jobs.

Flight number 547 from PHL to SAN on Friday, August 31st. If anyone works for US and knows these ladies please send my regards and tell them they've won over a Frequent Flier from SAN.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:16 am

Glad to hear about a good experience with my airline. It gets wearisome reading nothing but salvo after salvo saying US deserves to fail and die. All it takes is a little effort and there wouldn't be much to complain about. Thank you Ual-Fan for your positive trip report.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:33 pm

I recently saw on flightaware HP flights doing TPA-CLT and CLT-DCA.

On a side note, once they are merged will a US East crew be able to fly a US West Airbus (and vice-versa) since East and West have different engine types. Also, do US East and West have the same seating configurations?
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Johnyv (Reply 13):
I recently saw on flightaware HP flights doing TPA-CLT and CLT-DCA.

On a side note, once they are merged will a US East crew be able to fly a US West Airbus (and vice-versa) since East and West have different engine types. Also, do US East and West have the same seating configurations?

I believe they are doing a few EWR turns as well. While they will go to one certificate at the end of the month, the crews and fleets will remain separate until the pilots are on the same contract. They have different seating configs, though that will change as there are rumors of interior overhauls beginning this winter.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:30 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
it is ridiculous that they only serve food on flights over 3.5 hours.

I agree, the food quality needs to improve as well.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
my connection in PHX was only 35 minutes, so there wasn't time to get food

That was your choice, don't blame the airline.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:56 pm

with west metal we do the following routes:

PHX-CLT
SAN-PHL
SAN-CLT
LAX-PIT
LAS-PIT (?)
LAS-PBI (?)
PDX-CLT
DCA-CLT
CLT-TPA
CLT-EWR

east has taken over all of our west coast-florida routes such as:

PHX-MIA
PHX-FLL
LAS-MIA
LAS-FLL

this is according to the FA bid packet for next month. our 757s are going to MCO, ORD, JFK, DCA, BWI (?) this and next month, since hawaii is kinda slow these next few months.

theres been a lot of rampers deadheading to phx to train on the new thing for balance i guess now PIT will do all of our balance trim and stuff because us FAs dont have to do a pax count anymore. its all done in PIT or something of that sort, thats what was on the crew news.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting Ual-Fan (Thread starter):
So my question is the buyout is at least a year old if not older. Why does everything still say America West? I thought they were going to ditch that name in favor of US Airways.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is an FAA requirement to keep the operations separate for at least two years because something to do with tracking aircraft maintenance. The same thing happened when AA bought out TWA. I flew on a plane that had AA livery but it had a decal as you entered the plane identifying it as a TWA aircraft, and the interior was definately TWA!

Quoting Ual-Fan (Thread starter):
I have to say that listening to all of the horror stories on the news about how bad this week would be for air travel I was a bit nervous BUT the flight was excellent. The cabin crew was great, the A320 was in very good shape

I fly a lot on US Airways and my experience has been that the flight crews on the American West flights have been consistently more cheerful--which is a probably a reflection of the America West management culture. Look at the facts... US Airways flight attendants have gone through two bankruptcies in just a few years which has taken their toll on them in terms of wages, benefits, schedules, and to an extent the means to provide service that the customer is expecting. Having said that, the back office woes shouldn't spill over to the customer, but it is hard for it not to.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting Earlj (Reply 10):

Is this an advertisement??
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 8):
The latest date, announced sometime last month, is 27SEP, or there abouts, and it is still a go. The west is just going to be switching over their OPS system to DECS (a part of sabre), and HP will be a memory (I will miss it, even though I work for 'east' I lived in PHX for 8 years).

I thought US was going with SHARES for CRS and software needs.
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 19):
I thought US was going with SHARES for CRS and software needs

Yes, both west and east are using shares, but that is for the ticketing/customer service aspect. Operationaly; weight and balance...aircraft routing, and the like will be on DECS (a sabre partition). The company decided long ago, that sabre was better than the flight mapper(i believe thats what west uses now) for its weight and balance/dispatch purposes.

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Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 8):
I don't think the HP 320s are in better shape.

That's true to a point, though I think we had some newer planes than the old US.

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 15):
I agree, the food quality needs to improve as well.

It's in the works, part of the customer service enhancements being introduced this fall. We are labeling the whole thing a "Business Casual" experience. Not sure how much publicity they will use, but it's a fairly big project.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting Ual-Fan (Thread starter):
I have a question / comment. I flew US-Airways PHL-SAN last night for the first time since they where bought out by America West.

Ual-Fan,
Just to clarify, US Airways bought out America West not the other way around. How was your flight? Was it better before or after the merger? I have yet to fly the new US Airways, last time I flew it was New Years Eve 1997, I was in the front of the plane in seat 1A and let me tell you the FA's never let my Champaign glass empty. This was a flight from Norfolk, VA to Portland, ME. It was a good experience.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting HughesAirwest (Reply 22):
Ual-Fan,
Just to clarify, US Airways bought out America West not the other way around



I think you better go back and check again!!!
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting HughesAirwest (Reply 22):
Just to clarify, US Airways bought out America West not the other way around.

No actually America West bought out US Airways. America West is still in charge of management. America West had the capital to buy out US Airways, which was dying a slow death. They kept the US Airways branding since it is more recognized, especially on the east coast.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting HughesAirwest (Reply 22):
Ual-Fan,
Just to clarify, US Airways bought out America West not the other way around. How was your flight? Was it better before or after the merger? I have yet to fly the new US Airways, last time I flew it was New Years Eve 1997, I was in the front of the plane in seat 1A and let me tell you the FA's never let my Champaign glass empty. This was a flight from Norfolk, VA to Portland, ME. It was a good experience.

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:17 am

I am ex US Airways staff, but when i worked for US, I was very very proud of the airline, even though it was at the point at which we were going through some difficult times. As a passenger i have always had fantastic flight experiences on US. Other times, it was just a stress free, relaxing experiences. Even on the longer flights like PHL/Eastern caribbean, I had no complaints. At times the airline undergoes some bad press, be it baggage, or messed up PHL, but he that happens to any airline. US is not as bad as most a.nutters paint them out to be.

Keep up the good job HPRamper and others....
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 16):
theres been a lot of rampers deadheading to phx to train on the new thing for balance i guess now PIT will do all of our balance trim and stuff because us FAs dont have to do a pax count anymore. its all done in PIT or something of that sort, thats what was on the crew news.

That's the CLP. We are not big fans of it because we have to send all items to CLP very early, relatively, which gives us much less flexibility. They want mail weights an hour and a half before departure...and once something is entered in the computer we cannot edit. Meaning for instance, we had a crew list as a jumpseat on a wide-open flight. Then they got to the gate and took a normal seat, but we had issues becuase they could not be removed from the jumpseat in the computer (for W/B purposes). Personally I liked the flexibility from having weight and balance done at the station. Being right there where everything is going on, I would think, sounds like a better option than micromanaging from two thousand miles away.

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 21):
That's true to a point, though I think we had some newer planes than the old US.

We also fly the A320 with more cycles than any other still flying. So it goes both ways  Smile
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 27):
Personally I liked the flexibility from having weight and balance done at the station. Being right there where everything is going on, I would think, sounds like a better option than micromanaging from two thousand miles away.

I work OPS, and we work very closely with CLP. I don't know why you can't adjust it; Just send CLP a 'UMSG' and they can adjust it, or you can always call them. MOST of them are very friendly, and it's actually a very flexible system. I agree that it would be better if we could do the W&B here in the station, but on days with many many delays, it helps, to have someone else doing some of the work. It doesn't get finalized until about 5 minutes before departure. And it cannot be finalized before 10 minutes prior. The computer usually won't let you. Obviously during IRops everything can change, and it will. Also, from a company standpoint, it keeps them from having a fully manned OPS at smaller stations. Not sure what the cutoff for number of flights is. but its below 30 FPD.

Also, until 2009, the CLP for the west will be out in the PHX SOC I thought. If PIT CLP is going to be handling west loads too, that is news to me, and I sure hope they are hiring to handle the increased load. I think in time you will come to like the new system, I know it's a ton easier to track flights, and aircraft than shares/QIK. I hate when I have to look up a west flight to find out how delayed it might be, it's much easier to look that stuff up in sabre. Although I'm getting better in shares. [funny is, i finally am getting used to tracking west flights via shares, and now they will be in sabre]

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 16):
with west metal we do the following routes:

Thanks... it's hard to tell out east, as with the aircraft in new colors, you have to see the flight number or the little "operated by" sticker to know.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting HughesAirwest (Reply 22):
Just to clarify, US Airways bought out America West not the other way around.



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 24):
No actually America West bought out US Airways. America West is still in charge of management. America West had the capital to buy out US Airways, which was dying a slow death. They kept the US Airways branding since it is more recognized, especially on the east coast.

Actually again..hehe...it was considered a merger with neither airline buying out each other. US Airways was the surviving name and America West in the accounting aspect was considered the "acquiring" airline...but again it was a straight merger, not a buy out. Also America West did NOT have the capital, Doug Parker and Co. used the combined airline's financial's to acquire funding for the merger. Neither airline could have bought much of anything.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 29):
Thanks... it's hard to tell out east, as with the aircraft in new colors, you have to see the flight number or the little "operated by" sticker to know.

I got an easier way to tell. Just look at the engines, out east, WEST doesn't operate anything but airbii. And visa versa out west, EAST doesn't operate anything but airbii...Well except for the 757s, where that could be the issue. But, the airbii, look very different. I'm not an engine buff, but one is the CFM, and the other the IAE, i believe the IAE engines are the west aircraft... To describe what it looks like, the West engines are smoother, looks like all one flat surface, with the aft part chrome. Whereas the east engines, and more 'normal' looking, with the exhaust smaller than the shell.

*Sorry if it's not a technical comparison. I'm no mechanic.  Wink

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 30):
Actually again..hehe...it was considered a merger with neither airline buying out each other. US Airways was the surviving name and America West in the accounting aspect was considered the "acquiring" airline...but again it was a straight merger, not a buy out. Also America West did NOT have the capital, Doug Parker and Co. used the combined airline's financial's to acquire funding for the merger. Neither airline could have bought much of anything.

I would feel safe in saying that most airline folks would think of it as America West bought US airways, and kept the US Airways name. If US airways had been successful in its bid for Delta what would you have called that? Sure would have looked as though they bought them to me.
What do you think of these situations from the past? bought or merger

Delta-Western
American-Reno
TWA-Ozark
US Air-Piedmont
Northwest-Republic
PanAm-National
Delta-Northeast
AirTran-Valujet
etc.

To me they certainly look like one carrier bought the other!
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:51 am

I find it easy to indetify east metal from west metal. You are right about the engines and the flight numbers, but you can also look at the registration... for example if its 745UW its west. if its 654AW its west. all the US west plane regs end in AW. in the east they have AY and UW i believe, someone can clarify this for me.  Smile
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 33):
... for example if its 745UW its west. if its 654AW its west. all the US west plane regs end in AW. in the east they have AY and UW i believe, someone can clarify this for me.

I think you meant to say east in the first part. Also don't forget N742PS! Also, the East numbers on the airbii are either
7_ _ for 319, or 1_ _ for 320. West is 6_ _ for 320, and 8_ _ for 319. Also, for the 757s, both east and west use 9_ _, but the ETOPS east 757s (europe routes, etc) are 2 _ _. so that should help...but the winglets on those 200 a/c should give them away as east much more easily.

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 16):
east has taken over all of our west coast-florida routes such as:

PHX-MIA
PHX-FLL
LAS-MIA
LAS-FLL

in the last two, what equipment is used for those? A320, A319, or 757? and where do the majority of the 737s go?
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 30):
Actually again..hehe...it was considered a merger with neither airline buying out each other

Whose management kept control? HP....that pretty much settles it, the "merged" company's top execs got turfed Thankfully)
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 5):
Some of the ancient West 757's have interior issues that are right up to par with the east 767's.

Especially some of the horror stories of the ex-Eastern birds...

Quoting Captaink (Reply 26):
Keep up the good job HPRamper and others....

Amen to that, and to all myUS/HP pals in SLC...the best bunch I've dealt with yet...

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 32):
What do you think of these situations from the past? bought or merger

Delta-Western merger, one of the best of the 80's, good for both sides. Kept the SLC hub,
LAX became a focus city, now a hub, kept the 727-200's, 737-200's, and 737-300's.
American-Reno buy-out, RenoAir folks were very much against this, and nothing has survived to AA from
Reno, except a few MD-80's.
TWA-Ozark merger, somewhat good for both sides, except that TWA took on MORE old planes, in the
form of the DC-9 fleet, but also gained a somewhat large domestic system that solidified the STL
hub operation.
US Air-Piedmont Buy-out. Piedmont was bought out from under the employees. Although the system meshed
somewhat well with the US system, there was some overlapping in the Northeast. US inherited
a fleet of 727-100/-200's, 737-200/-300/-400's, and 767-200ER's, their first widebody, also new
Trans-Atlantic services.
Northwest-Republic Buy-out. Republic was home of Herman the Goose, then Stephen Wolf (know him?) came over
after ditching Flying Tigers to FedEx. He repainted the fleet, made it more corporate, sold the
airline, stock went up, he cashed out, went to United, the US Airways. NW had massive heart-
burn during and well after the acquisition, even well after Alfred Checchi came into town. NW
inherited a HUGE domestic system (NW itself had a mediocre system at best before RW), hubs
in Memphis and Detroit, a MASSIVE fleet of DC-9's, a few 727-200's, and a handful of 757-200's.
PanAm-National The WORST "merger" of the deregulation era, Pan Am overpaid FAR too much for National,
no thanks to Frank Lorenzo and Texas Air. Inherited somewhat hubs in JFK, MIA, MSY, and IAH.
727's, DC-10's and a pair of 747-100's made it to Pan Am for all the trouble it went through.
Delta-Northeast Merger. This is one merger that almost had to happen. NE was on its way under, and DL stepped
in as a savior. DL kept the people, good sized bases in the Northeast, 727-100's/-200's and
DC-9's made it into the fleet, as did some FH-228's. Made DL a powerhouse in New England.
AirTran-Valujet Buyout. AirTran was a small airline in the Carolinas when bought out by then strong Valujet. After
the Everglades DC-9 crash, the Critter disappeared and became AirTran. Brought several 737-200's
to Valujet's DC-9/MD-80 fleet.
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:21 am

That's pretty much what I thought too Western.....most of the 80's stuff were buyouts...one airline actually using their money to buy another carrier. I don't know the exact details of all of them, but I do know that the HP/US merger was just that...not a buy out. Yes it is obvious that HP has control...but when you merge you get a little from both sides...which did happen, just not at the top.
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:38 am

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 5):
Mesa CRJ-900's (whgich do express flying out of CLT, PHX and LAS) are relatively new and actually have very nice interiors for regional jets.

You an interesting concept of "very nice." The leather may look okay, but these are some of the most uncomfortable aircraft around, especially for the 2+ hour flights they're used on.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 38):
most of the 80's stuff were buyouts...one airline actually using their money to buy another carrier.

Lorenzo getting control of EA and CO and Icahn raping TWA were the worst of the 80's. These idiots used the airlines' own resources to pay their bills. DL/WA and DL/NE made sense at least. NW/RW onlymade sense in that NW got rid of a competitor.
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 37):
Especially some of the horror stories of the ex-Eastern birds...

would ya like to share a few? im curious now..
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 41):
would ya like to share a few? im curious now..

I heard some HP ramp rat that 908AW was a hangar queen of sorts? I forgot why, but I always loved hearing the stories...can anyone else help out?
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:55 pm

a/c 908 is a hangar queen im sure

it los an engine coming out of KOA about 6 months ago.

a few weeks ago they had to "shut it down" 3 hours out of HNL

today the crew to KOA timed out b/c 908 had mx issues

its the same plane that used to be in cardinals colors and its the same plane that the landing gear went thru first class when it fell in the hangar.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:20 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 42):
I heard some HP ramp rat that 908AW was a hangar queen of sorts?

Yep! Here is ONE of the reasons why: Thats the AZ Cardinals plane that fell on its nose when somebody in the HP PHX hangar didn't follow jacking-up procedures, and could have killed somebody too! My ex-A&P instructor was right next to it when it happened.

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 43):

its the same plane that used to be in cardinals colors and its the same plane that the landing gear went thru first class when it fell in the hangar.

See above. I believe it was improper procedures being followed while jacking up the aircraft to do some gear testing.
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 44):
See above. I believe it was improper procedures being followed while jacking up the aircraft to do some gear testing.

well he did say it first.....  Smile

wasnt there a rumor the 908 was haunted or something?
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:57 pm

Damn glad I was lucky when I flew on it. PHX-OGG last year....flight was perfect!
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 45):
well he did say it first.....

No, he didnt. He said that the gear went through the aircraft...which is not true. The gears were not damaged, IIRC.
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 45):
wasnt there a rumor the 908 was haunted or something?

I do know 901 has run over two rampers, two separate occasions...it has a cute nickname  Smile
 
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RE: Questions Regarding US Airways-America West Integration

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 48):
it has a cute nickname...

And what nickname would that be?
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