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A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:12 am

http://www.aerospacemedia.com/site/a...p.php?Id=070902143821.29kxs03d.xml

At the occasion of the A380 visit to Hanoi , Airbus declared to see VN having this plane into their fleet as early as 2012-2013.

VN is a fast growing airline , and Vietnam sees more and more tourists , but 2012 is not a little bit too early for VN to have A380s ?
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
VN is a fast growing airline , and Vietnam sees more and more tourists , but 2012 is not a little bit too early for VN to have A380s ?

VN's growth will be to add more destinations. The only possibility of an A380 would be for prestige/flagship purposes, and my impression of VN is they are too practical for something frivolous like that.
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:38 am

I personally also think that it is well to large for VN, however I also asked myself what the reason was that the A380 was visting Hanoi. Is Airbus in talks with VN, or did they just give it a shot?

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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:16 am

I think one day VN will get A380s as Vietnam has an economy stronger every days , and tourism is only at its beginning.
The way Vietnam has already done since the end of the war is respectable.Probably it's only the beginning of the modern aera , with a strong economy and strong tourism , bringing more people to come to this country.
Vietnam could become another "Dragon" in SE Asia, thus the need of A380s.
I will not be surprised to see CDG as the first station to get it , as trafic between France and Vietnam is stronger every day.

As GlobeEx , i asked myself why the A380 was visiting Vietnam.Probably not an hasard.
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
As GlobeEx , i asked myself why the A380 was visiting Vietnam.Probably not an hasard.

May it also be route proving, maybe for EK (not only but may that be another reason?)?

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
I will not be surprised to see CDG as the first station to get it , as trafic between France and Vietnam is stronger every day.

Not once have I seen HAN or SGN suggested as a destination for AF's A380's. Why does it somehow make sense for VN if it never has for AF?
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:08 am

The majority of airlines purchasing the A-380 have been/are 747, 773 or A-340 operators. Though the 333 and 777 are large aircraft, I anticipate it would be nearly impossible to dump A-380 capacity on routes that are currently flown by an airline without any proven very large aircraft (A-345/6, 747 or 773) experience. They could dump multiple daily flights to one, but that is poor business sense for most routes.

Another thing is that when this debate comes up for any airline, there are a number of routes that are proposed in the first few responses. We have one questionable flight here after 5 replies.

It would be nice. That blue looks great on their aircraft.

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:40 am

VN is growing fast, but not that fast. If they want something bigger, my guess is that they might look for 777-300ER
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 5):
Not once have I seen HAN or SGN suggested as a destination for AF's A380's. Why does it somehow make sense for VN if it never has for AF?

However as you no doubt know Hanoi has a French influence so could well be a popular destination for the French.

In addition I think the population of Vietnam is 60 Million, not trivial, it is also suggested that it is to be the third largest financial hub in Asia in the coming years.
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:57 am

I may be in a minority but I've been wondering about VN and the A380 for some time. It doesn't seem preposterous to me.
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting Kdm (Reply 8):
However as you no doubt know Hanoi has a French influence so could well be a popular destination for the French.

I lived there for 3 years, the French influence is limited to a few nuances in cuisine and wide avenues and some remaining colonial architecture as seen on Ly Thuong Kiet Blvd. Beyond that, don't not much.

Quoting Kdm (Reply 8):
In addition I think the population of Vietnam is 60 Million, not trivial, it is also suggested that it is to be the third largest financial hub in Asia in the coming years.

Ahead of Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong and Singapore? What about western and south asia? Bombay, Delhi, Dubai, Doha? I just don't see 3rd.

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
I may be in a minority but I've been wondering about VN and the A380 for some time. It doesn't seem preposterous to me.

Anything is possible, what did you have in mind for VN?

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 4):

May it also be route proving, maybe for EK (not only but may that be another reason?)?

Considering EK don't currently even serve Hanoi this may be a bit far fetched. I don't see EK starting a new route with a 380. Their pattern has been to start with a lighter bird (say 330), then go to multiple frequencies a day then up the aircraft size.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
I will not be surprised to see CDG as the first station to get it , as trafic between France and Vietnam is stronger every day.

How about running it almost as a shuttle service to BKK that way lots of tourists to Thailand can tack on a Vietnam leg to their trips. Just a thought.

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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 2):
however I also asked myself what the reason was that the A380 was visting Hanoi.

just to celebrate VN Independence Day 02 September hehe
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:21 pm

I can't see VN ordering A380 soon. It takes more than 5 years to go from an 250seat B772 to a 500seat A380. Most visitors to Vietnam who don't arrive on a VN airplane come via TG, LH, AF and SI, which all are future A380 operators. Hence there is hardly a way how VN could attract new customers with lower ticket prices even with A380s. Their competitive advantage will be to offer direct connections, making B787s the more obvious choice.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 1):
The only possibility of an A380 would be for prestige/flagship purposes, and my impression of VN is they are too practical for something frivolous like that.

Can you name an airline that would buy a 300Mil$-aiplane just for a bit of bling-bling?
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:56 pm

PADSpot

Agree with you.Not before 5 years .That's exactly what i was thinking , before the comment coming from Airbus.

Relations between Vietnam and France is not a question of influence.
Many many Vietnames live in France (especially Paris) , and many fly to Vietnam for family purposes.
And more and more of Frenchs visit Vietnam.

If you speak today , of course A380 is too large , but here we speak about near future , where the need of this plane will emerge.

With VN , the question about A380 , is NOT perhaps , but when .
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:23 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
With VN , the question about A380 , is NOT perhaps , but when .




 Big grin

No seriously, I think the point in time when VN will fly A380s is beyond what we can overlook today.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting Kdm (Reply 8):
However as you no doubt know Hanoi has a French influence so could well be a popular destination for the French.

In addition I think the population of Vietnam is 60 Million, not trivial, it is also suggested that it is to be the third largest financial hub in Asia in the coming years.

Even though a lot of French traditions remain, I don't think the French have much influence over the Vietnamese now. Yes, 'Nam has about 60M people now, but very few of those have much influence over the economy.
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 12):
Can you name an airline that would buy a 300Mil$-aiplane just for a bit of bling-bling?

Oh Yes - MH. Also due to the fact their local rivals are getting them.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:39 am

I'm not going to claim to be an aviation industry expert, but perhaps their business model will one day call for a VLA (perhaps not the A380, maybe the 748 or, at the smaller end, a 773?). There's a few good points some folks have alluded to in here such as:

- Growing Vietnam population (60M)
- Many Vietnamese living abroad
- A growing economy

Beyond these points, I can think of another couple of reasons for an A380 in VN colors:

- They would like to expand their business model like Singapore and cater to travelers to the SE Asia region overall, not just Vietnam.
- Also, I read here that VN is applying for a route to LAX starting in fall of 2008. If that route grows significantly (which it can in 5-6 years) then a need for a bigger plane in 2012-2013 is possible. LA is home to the largest Vietnamese population in the world outside of the country, and it's relatively well-off. VN would sure like to tap this market.

Just my two cents...who knows, Vietnam may well become the next Asian super economy.

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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:28 am

Maybe as a HAN-SGN shuttle  Smile
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:58 am

The Vietnamese population in France is barely twice that of SJC alone. If there was a need for more seats, it seems the US west coast would be the ones, LAX or SFO.
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
At the occasion of the A380 visit to Hanoi , Airbus declared to see VN having this plane into their fleet as early as 2012-2013.

As much as i'd like to see more A380's ordered I think it is extremely unlikely that VN would go for such a big jump up capacity-wise. They are quite conservative in their expansion plans. A380 is hard to fill year-round. We shall wait and see but this one is only a wish-list worthy rather than a real prospect.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:22 am

If VN keep that livery and order the A380, then those will be the most beautiful A380's flying!!
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 17):
Growing Vietnam population (60M)

Vietnam has 83Mil people growing fast ...

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 17):
- They would like to expand their business model like Singapore and cater to travelers to the SE Asia region overall, not just Vietnam.

The problem is, there are a couple of operators in the SE-Asia region that try exactly that.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 17):
Maybe as a HAN-SGN shuttle Smile

Would definitely lower the amount of subsidies per seat necessary on that route. I was three times on that leg, which is about 2h10m and always paid around 120US$ for a return flight booked two days ahead.

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 20):
They are quite conservative in their expansion plans

You and most here might not be aware that VN is an airline owned by a communist government. As the most expensive domestic fare between two cities is probably 70$, most of the money they earn internationally is burned at home. VN is massively restricted in their fleet and network planning by the government. For instance they are required to offer a certain share of thier international connection through HAN, although demand is fairly low there. The communist party takes massive influence on strategy and managerial appointments. Their entire structure, processes and organization is highly politicalized. Apart from flight operations, maintenance etc. VN is a big authority-like apparatus. As long as that goes on VN will never be able to really compete with SI or TG. Never ever. At best they grow with the market and they might be able ti fill a B773 in 10 years or so. At worst the become a billion-dollar-grave for the government and they will be overrun by their competitors even at home. I am an optimist though ...
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:15 pm

Saigon has two runways, and AFAIK shared with military usage. So we have limited slots, no way to expand, fast growing economy, 83 Mio people - if a 773 would fit them in 2010 the A380 fits in 2013, so the question is when only, 2012 or 2014?
 
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RE: A380s For Vietnam Al?

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 23):
Saigon has two runways, and AFAIK shared with military usage

No idea where you've got that from. Two runways yes but there are no military fixed wing aircraft based at or using SGN.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 23):
Saigon has two runways, and AFAIK shared with military usage. So we have limited slots, no way to expand, fast growing economy, 83 Mio people - if a 773 would fit them in 2010 the A380 fits in 2013, so the question is when only, 2012 or 2014?

I have worked almost a year in Saigon with my office directly facing the runway from the North.

There are not so many movements at SGN. Traffic is in the high one-digit millions, but there is a high share of wide-bodies which lowers the actual number of movement at bit. Military traffic is limited to some helicopters (funnily almost exclusively on Tuesday mornings). Most of military hardware that can be seen at SGN is either scrap or mothballed. There are certainly no larger slot restrictions at SGN. Movement-wise I would compare SGN with airports like HAJ or NUE and traffic-wise with STR, HAM, or CGN.

At SGN there will a new relatively large International Terminal open soon, and from 2015 they want to have new newly designed airport outside town halfway between Saigon and Vung Tau.