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Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:37 pm

Well it was only a matter of time before someone announced it... with the runway due to be extended this winter, this route was crying out for an operator...

Both KLM and CO were rumoured, but its city star who are the first to announce service! Flight will operate 4 times weekly with a 757-200 VIP with 50 seats.

http://www.citystarairlines.com/content/view/93/92/lang,en/
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:43 pm

It's this winter. That's good, I could do with a little more take-off run for my PA-28.
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:43 pm

Big jump from their D328 operation! I wonder where they will get the aircraft from?
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:50 pm

If this pans out, who reckons some shiny new modern aircraft could be on the cards?
 
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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 2):
Big jump from their D328 operation! I wonder where they will get the aircraft from?

not only that, but where is it going to go for the 3 days a week it isnt flying to houston?

Quoting Glom (Reply 3):
If this pans out, who reckons some shiny new modern aircraft could be on the cards?

doubt it, the current fleet of 328s is more than adequate for their current ops.

Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
It's this winter.

Work is due to start at the end of the summer season. I cant see it being complete for january, so will they be able to operate with a 757 off the current runway?
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:42 pm

No doubt the Aberdeen fan club could have done with it to fly to Dnepropetrovsk! And they can always swap their 328 for it for their weekend jollies to Manchester!
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:55 pm

I wonder how much they're counting on Norwegian feed for this flight to work.

from the press release:

“City Star Airlines already links Aberdeen Airport with major Norwegian Oil and Gas, business and shipping destinations. It made sense for City Star Executive to offer this wider business community another choice to fly executives between pairs of cities, for the first time ever, making connections possible between Stavanger (as well as Olso (sic), Bergen, Kristiansund and Alesund) via Aberdeen Airport to Houston Intercontinental Airport.”

I wonder further if SVG-IAH might make up the other 3 days a week when service gets off the ground.
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:26 pm

Great news for Houston and the IAH community.  Smile
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:37 pm

Indeed good news for IAH. Good to have not only a new carrier but a new European destination added to IAH's roster.

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 2):
Big jump from their D328 operation! I wonder where they will get the aircraft from?

i'd guess Titan, they have a VIP configured 757

http://www.titan-airways.co.uk/vip_configuration.php

However their 757 has 100 seats, perhaps due to the distance of ABZ to IAH they can only sell 50 seats?

failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
i'd guess Titan, they have a VIP configured 757

http://www.titan-airways.co.uk/vip_configuration.php

However their 757 has 100 seats, perhaps due to the distance of ABZ to IAH they can only sell 50 seats?

failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?

I never considered that possibility, I assumed they would buy/lease a 757 and reconfigure it for their own use. I guess if they take a Titan aircraft it would be on a charter basis.

The city star press release goes into great detail about the cabin, suggesting it is already fitted, so perhaps it is to be a charter from another carrier, at least to start with?
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:46 pm

Fantastic news for ABZ

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?

I dobt Eos are going to be selling or leasing their aircraft when they are looking to expand
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 4):
I cant see it being complete for january, so will they be able to operate with a 757 off the current runway?

Yes to the 757. I presume no to the 757 loaded for IAH.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:58 am

Seems like 200 seats a week (each direction) is quite doable. I wonder what the price points will end up being? I am moving to Houston this winter and would love to try this flight.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:12 am

ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:26 am

I guess this will be KX's replacement  Smile
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

Why do you think that Rob ? Two oil centres after all....

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:42 am

Looks like the mrs and I will have a new choice in vacationing next year...ive always wanted to go to Scotland!

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

If I was going to start an airline, this was the route to start with...well within the range of a BBJ (see the KLM IAH-AMS run) and eliminates any need for the oil company execs/workers to connect in Europe.

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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

this route is a goldmine! The loads will be good, there is a huge demand for travel between these two cities, both are major oil centres, but not only that but the yields will be impressive too. Oil companies dont skimp and save when sending people on business trips!
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 19):
this route is a goldmine! The loads will be good, there is a huge demand for travel between these two cities, both are major oil centres, but not only that but the yields will be impressive too. Oil companies dont skimp and save when sending people on business trips!

A-ha! Perhaps I should wind my neck in then  duck  as I wasn't aware of the oil connections at the IAH end!  spin  I thought it was just a general "look pax, you can now go here from your local airport!" which I doubt would have lasted very long.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 16):
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

Typical English! To you Scotland is just a socialist wasteland wallowing in their own sense of victimhood following defeat at Flodden. But let me tell you something. Aberdeen is nothing like the rest of Scotland. It is the oil capital of Europe (it says so on roundabouts). Houston is the oil capital of the Americas. The two together are the oil capitals of the free world. My boss would pay good money to be able to bybass Hellthrow on his many trips between the two power centres.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 19):
Oil companies dont skimp and save when sending people on business trips!

We sort of are at the moment. We need to get our costs down. But that takes the form of trying to limit long distance travel. Any will still be business. I understand the other companies are doing better as far as costs go so I'm sure we won't be missed.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 20):
I wasn't aware of the oil connections at the IAH end!

LMAO! You didn't know there was oil business in Texas? Or didn't you know Houston was in Texas?  Wink
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Thread starter):
Well it was only a matter of time before someone announced it... with the runway due to be extended this winter, this route was crying out for an operator...

Both KLM and CO were rumoured, but its city star who are the first to announce service! Flight will operate 4 times weekly with a 757-200 VIP with 50 seats.

I've been hearing rumors about CO and ABZ from IAH for years, I think someone jumped in before CO was in position (787s) to launch it themselves. Perhaps in light of this development they would try EWR-ABZ with the 757-200, plenty of O&D traffic between the NYC and Scotland as well as the connecting energy business from IAH.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:23 am

I give it a year, or less. It isn't that an all-business class service on IAH-ABZ can't work, it's that it won't work on a small airline like City Star.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 24):
I've been hearing rumors about CO and ABZ from IAH for years, I think someone jumped in before CO was in position (787s) to launch it themselves.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
I give it a year, or less. It isn't that an all-business class service on IAH-ABZ can't work, it's that it won't work on a small airline like City Star.

In light of these two posts, I might imagine that a trinket such as a 787 could easily out do an old 757, especially if the operating costs are lower.
 
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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
I give it a year, or less. It isn't that an all-business class service on IAH-ABZ can't work, it's that it won't work on a small airline like City Star.

City Star are well known within the aberdeen oil and gas industry. They will do as well as anyone else on this route. I cant speak for other companies, but our company has its own travel desk, all bookings must go through them, so you just need to inform them of the new route and the whole company knows.

Any airline operating direct on this route will do well.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 24):
I've been hearing rumors about CO and ABZ from IAH for years, I think someone jumped in before CO was in position (787s) to launch it themselves. Perhaps in light of this development they would try EWR-ABZ with the 757-200, plenty of O&D traffic between the NYC and Scotland as well as the connecting energy business from IAH.

Yea, there was a rumour a few years ago that they wanted to do a BBJ flight, but the unions complained about it. Also the short runway at ABZ has often been mentioned for the reason.

There are also rumours that KLM have been showing an interest in the route. I wonder if anyone else will announce plans for the route now that City Star have got in first?
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:46 am

aircraft will be iclandic registered according to Jethros...

Ah crap - just realised all of citys fleet is icelandic registered - he is probably just assuming it will be re-registered..

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 27):
but the unions complained about it

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but why?
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 14):
ABZ-IAH ?! Yeah right - like that's gonna last more than a week before they have to pull it due to empty planes...

who wants to bet they already have a couple of deals in place with some of the oil companies that allowed City Star to launch the service and "guarantee" some success for at least a couple of years?
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting Nighthawk (Thread starter):
Well it was only a matter of time before someone announced it...

And welcome news for the IAH Spotters, who'd seen first PIA and then Cayman discontinue service.

Still waiting to see if the rumors about Korean, Arik Air, Qatar and Interjet materialize.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 23):
LMAO! You didn't know there was oil business in Texas?

A cruise through the photo gallery at SkyscraperPage.com would have been enlightening...
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
i'd guess Titan, they have a VIP configured 757



Quoting BY188B (Reply 9):
failing that EOS or Euroatlantic?



Quoting Nighthawk (Thread starter):
Flight will operate 4 times weekly with a 757-200 VIP with 50 seats.

Maybe Privatair will be the operator with its 757.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:47 pm

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 27):
they wanted to do a BBJ flight, but the unions complained about it.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 29):
Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but why?

Probably something like this: (it also caused issues by KLM)

If the flight would be operated by a BBJ, it would have a 737-crew.

When they would give the 737-crew the 737 (domestic) payscale, the unions would complain that crew flying intercontinental on planes for domestic use, would not earn enough money.

When they would give the 737-crew a payscale that corresponds to the other intercontinental crew, the unions would complain that people that fly the 737 a bit further than others do, would earn more money than other 737 operators.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 18):



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 28):
aircraft will be iclandic registered according to Jethros...

Ah crap - just realised all of citys fleet is icelandic registered - he is probably just assuming it will be re-registered..

The head of the company, Atli Georg Árnason, looks to have a very Icelandic name. The other officer listed on their web-page is named Rúnar Fossádal Árnason. I wonder if they're related.
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 35):
Atli Georg Árnason, looks to have a very Icelandic name. The other officer listed on their web-page is named R�nar Foss�dal Árnason. I wonder if they're related.

Completely off-topic, but:

In case they are related, they will either be brothers, or far-away cousins.

In Iceland, there are (except some exceptions), no family names; children are named to their father (and sometimes mother). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_names
 
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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:29 pm

True. I assume Arna is a rather common Icelandic surname as well.

back to the topic. I wonder if CityStar is going to start flights to London City. I imagine there is enough market from that side of London to Houston (and Aberdeen as well) to merit some flights. It would probably be better to have a short connection in Aberdeen than to have to deal with getting through London to get to Heathrow or Gatwick.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:04 am

As great as this route is for ABZ, most of the oil companies that fly execs from ABZ to IAH at present, use BA/KL/AF. Most likely they have coporate accounts with these airlines to fly their execs to other places aswell, and recieve big discounts etc. Thats the main reason I think CityStar will find it difficult to make this route work.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 38):
As great as this route is for ABZ, most of the oil companies that fly execs from ABZ to IAH at present, use BA/KL/AF. Most likely they have coporate accounts with these airlines to fly their execs to other places aswell, and recieve big discounts etc. Thats the main reason I think CityStar will find it difficult to make this route work.

While this is a good point, I would think that City Star would have secured some corporate contracts before announcing such a drastic new flight (compared to their current ops). The time savings and drastic reduction in hassle at having to connect at the busy European hubs will surely entice many large companies to use this service. I think many people on this thread are discounting how long this service has been needed and wanted by the business communities in both Aberdeen and Houston. Their is a lot of high-yield traffic flowing between the 2 cities. And City Star will be able to offer one-stop service to Oslo and Stavanger (two other cities with strong oil ties) without having to connect at LGW (soon to be LHR service from IAH) or AMS. This is something that should not be overlooked. Time is money, and the quicker the businessmen and women can get door to door can only be looked at as a positive.

All of that being said, I will look forward to seeing if City Star can make it work. Not because of the lack of possible traffic, but as MAH4546 said, to see if such a small airline making such a huge leap can make it work. I don't know enough about the airline to intelligently say if they can. But I sure hope they do.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 33):
Maybe Privatair will be the operator with its 757.

It will be TF-VIP (almost certainly).

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 40):
It will be TF-VIP (almost certainly).

Do you really think this plane can seat 50 pax and make it from ABZ to IAH:

http://tinyurl.com/2fogyk

Just a joke for those without a sarcasm meter. I know that Icelandair/Loftleidir has a VIP 757 with the reg TF-VIP now.
 
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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 38):
As great as this route is for ABZ, most of the oil companies that fly execs from ABZ to IAH at present, use BA/KL/AF. Most likely they have coporate accounts with these airlines to fly their execs to other places aswell, and recieve big discounts etc. Thats the main reason I think CityStar will find it difficult to make this route work.

Great point, some of the posters seems to think that major oil companies are doing business only in the North Sea and Houston, what about having to go elsewhere? Central Asia? West Africa? Canada? Middle East? There is no way but to stick with the majors (i.e. BA/KL/AF/LH).

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 39):
Time is money, and the quicker the businessmen and women can get door to door can only be looked at as a positive.

One have to agree with this statement, although a point to consider is that top executives are not the only frequent flyers from oil companies, medium level technicians and engineers fly a lot and most of the times the company won't pay higher fares for them just to go non stop on a non-aligned airline. Also this medium level personnel rather flies on an alligned airlines to pile up miles, it works as a virtual compensation for the wear and tear of frequent flying.
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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 39):
And City Star will be able to offer one-stop service to Oslo and Stavanger (two other cities with strong oil ties) without having to connect at LGW (soon to be LHR service from IAH) or AMS. This is something that should not be overlooked. Time is money, and the quicker the businessmen and women can get door to door can only be looked at as a positive.

You also forgot FRA. My dad travels OSL-IAH 5-6 times a year and usually uses LH via FRA, and I know several other who uses this route as they are not too impressed with KLM C-class product
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 42):
One have to agree with this statement, although a point to consider is that top executives are not the only frequent flyers from oil companies, medium level technicians and engineers fly a lot and most of the times the company won't pay higher fares for them just to go non stop on a non-aligned airline. Also this medium level personnel rather flies on an alligned airlines to pile up miles, it works as a virtual compensation for the wear and tear of frequent flying.

True, but if those medium level technicians and engineers are flying on the company dime they are going to fly the airline the company tells them to. Hence my comment about City Star possibly setting up corporate contracts. If these same companies are paying for those medium level technicians and engineers to fly coach, and time is not an issue then this service will not do much for them. They can fly BA/KL/AF/LH and connect thru the hubs. But, I think you are underestimating the high-yield traffic that has been pushing for this route from both sides of the Atlantic.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:36 am

Sure, there will be many who will stick with the Euro majors (BA, AF, KL, LH) but many are forgetting that Houston has had success with the World Sonair flights to Luanda. Last time I checked, the flights were going out 4 times a week on MD11s in a similar biz/first layout.

I would think with the BOOMING exploration business dealing with floating platforms and sea discovery, these flights between Aberdeen and Houston could fill enough seats to make it work. As it is, it's only 200 seats each direction a week.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 38):
Thats the main reason I think CityStar will find it difficult to make this route work.

Rubbish. Both me and Nighthawk think it's a goldmine. Woo hoo!!
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:34 pm

They only need 1600 pax a month (800 each way) to make the route work. If Sonair can operate IAH to Angola 3 times a week, there's no reason Aberdeen couldn't work.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
I give it a year, or less. It isn't that an all-business class service on IAH-ABZ can't work, it's that it won't work on a small airline like City Star.

I wonder if CO will react by freeing-up a 752 somewhere and start competing with City Star. Like others have mentioned, CO can offer a lot more flights on corporate contracts. They can also offer connections through IAH. And, even when also operating a 4-weekly flight, they can still offer daily connections through AMS.

I wonder as well whether an all-business class plane is the best way to go. Of course, there are many business passengers, but I assume not everyone is allowed to fly C? A non-stop (saves times for the boss) in Y might have a market as well?
 
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RE: City Star Go Longhaul: ABZ-IAH Announced!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:30 pm

time isnt really an issue on longhaul flights. Flying UK-US is going to take about a day, whether you fly direct or via LHR. Going direct saves you a few hours, but when you arrive in the states you still need some downtime to adjust, and due to timing of flights, cant really start work until the next day.

Quoting Glom (Reply 46):
Rubbish. Both me and Nighthawk think it's a goldmine. Woo hoo!!

posting at 5am? Shouldnt you be in bed sleeping off the hangover?  Silly

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 42):
One have to agree with this statement, although a point to consider is that top executives are not the only frequent flyers from oil companies, medium level technicians and engineers fly a lot and most of the times the company won't pay higher fares for them just to go non stop on a non-aligned airline. Also this medium level personnel rather flies on an alligned airlines to pile up miles, it works as a virtual compensation for the wear and tear of frequent flying.

there will be some who stick with BA and collect the miles, and others that just want to get there and back without the hassle of connecting. With the flight being all business class im sure they will be happy to fly it.

Silverjet, EOS seem to successfully attract people away from BA and the chance to earn miles when flying to the states, so im sure city star will manage to do so as welll.

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