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Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landings?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:52 am

Hi guys ,


Some days ago , I thought if for example in an emergency an A/C could land on RW18 in FRA ?

Do they have ILS on it ?

Maybe after an engine strike on T/O on the other runways , it could be safer to make a sharp right turn an land on this runway instead of make the very long way to the other end of R/W 07 L/R ...


your thoughts ?


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RE: Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landin

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:08 am

In an Emergency? YES ... if everything fails, take whatever long strip of concrete you can get to save lifes!

Official usage? NO, way too much hazzle changing SIDs and STARs, wind is the other factor.

Than there's the big noise abatement wall north of the 18 Threshold, not to speak the nois citicens nearby would suffer from ... to finish this there's the new runway that is *cough cough* soon to be built wich would turn 18 Landings into an utter desaster.

And no .. no ILS on RWY18

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RE: Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landings?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:10 am

If a pilot declares an emergency and says he needs to land on 18, he will be given clearance as soon as the runway is clear.
 
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RE: Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landings?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Maybe after an engine strike on T/O on the other runways , it could be safer to make a sharp right turn an land on this runway instead of make the very long way to the other end of R/W 07 L/R ...

This is a generality - but sharp turns are usually not a good idea if an aircraft has enough of an emergency to require an immediate, probably overweight, landing.

And never put the wing with the under-powered or shutdown engine far below the horizon.

The lack of an ILS isn't a big deal because in such a situation the plane is not going to be on autopilot but will be hand flown on final.

As noted above - if it's an emergency and the pilot wants Rwy 18 - he's going to be given the runway if at all possible.

The emergency which comes to mind for the most immediate need to get back on the ground is an in-cabin fire - and for that he might want to land on the 25 runway opposite the 7 runway he just took off from.

A 180 and immediate landing has been done in such a situation in the past.
 
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RE: Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landings?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:30 am

Ok I understand ... so in a extreme sit. it could be used ...


thanx for the answers guys !


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RE: Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landings?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:39 am

The clearance towers want to give to a pilot coming in on a serious emergency is:

"Cleared to land - any runway"

They know what runway he is planning to land upon - but just for formality - the clearance is that the ENTIRE airport is the pilot's for use at his discretion.

In a serious emergency, all traffic will be stopped, landing or takeoff on all runways - even as large as an airport as KDFW or LFPG.

This is because all for the airport's emergency equipment responds to the emergency and would not be available to handle a second emergency in a timely manner should it occur.

The equipment will be redeployed as soon as possible to reopen the unaffected part of the airport.
 
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RE: Runway 18 In FRA , Could It Be Used For Landings?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:56 am

In fact, I remember several occasions were Rwy18 was used ... at least a Tyrolean Fokker 70 did an Emergency Landing there in the late 90s.

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