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First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:24 am

The other day there was a thread, which I cannot find anymore, about the first A340 going to be scrapped. I have read somewhere that the a/c will now go to IB.
Can anyone tell me what is actually going on?
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:52 am

I really hope that is the case! i just love those A340s, it'll be a shame to lose one.  Sad


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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:23 pm

Usually an aircraft being scrapped doesn't get sold to an airline but to a scrapping outfit. Unless of course, IB wants all the parts it can get off the A340.
Oldest of IB's own A343s are just 11 years old, so they probably aren't ready to retire those aircraft just yet.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:47 pm

IB plans to take four used A343s between November and January (MSNs 029, 088, 169, 263) - the one to be scapped is MSN 016. Though, there may be a new development not yet widely reported.


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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:30 pm

Ironically MSN088 was intended for Iberia when new but NTU
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:36 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
Usually an aircraft being scrapped doesn't get sold to an airline but to a scrapping outfit

Is this the aircraft that was apparently bought by Lufthansa Tecknik? It was freshly painted all white a few months ago, which makes my wonder what would have been the point incurring the expense of painting an aircraft, if they planned to scrap it. In any case, the economics will soon pass the treshold where the value of earlier A340's is higher in parts form than it is as a flyable aircraft. We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:41 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.

Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):
The other day there was a thread, which I cannot find anymore, about the first A340 going to be scrapped.

Here it is!
First A-340 Scrapping (by N471WN Jul 24 2007 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2007-09-05 12:48:36]
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is this the aircraft that was apparently bought by Lufthansa Tecknik? It was freshly painted all white a few months ago, which makes my wonder what would have been the point incurring the expense of painting an aircraft, if they planned to scrap it. In any case, the economics will soon pass the treshold where the value of earlier A340's is higher in parts form than it is as a flyable aircraft. We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.

Some years ago we scrapped two B747-200 Combi of LH. They were both in excellent condition, with no corrosion and no open HIL entries.

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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is this the aircraft that was apparently bought by Lufthansa Tecknik? It was freshly painted all white a few months ago, which makes my wonder what would have been the point incurring the expense of painting an aircraft, if they planned to scrap it. In any case, the economics will soon pass the treshold where the value of earlier A340's is higher in parts form than it is as a flyable aircraft. We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.

Some years ago we scrapped two B747-200 Combi of LH. They were both in excellent condition, with no corrosion and no open HIL entries.

I assume that like the 777 I mentioned and the A340 being discussed, this was due to the economic value of the aircrafts parts, rather than the aircrafts value as a whole?
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):
Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

There was a thread just a few days ago that the first 777 is indeed already being scrapped these days, the process is underway. Can´t remember where, but its somewhere in a rather unkown place in the US. The first 777 is indeed "dead".

Lets hope this A340 can be saved from the scrapman at least for a few years.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
We have already seen signs of this happening with the 777, one of which was scrapped last year.
Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3097742

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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 9):
There was a thread just a few days ago that the first 777 is indeed already being scrapped these days, the process is underway. Can´t remember where, but its somewhere in a rather unkown place in the US. The first 777 is indeed "dead".

I know it sounds a bit picky, but from the announcement made last year that one aircraft was to be broken up, and the scrapping just happening, it's not the same thing, at least not for me.

Would the location be Walnut Ridge ARG in Arkansas ?

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3097742Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)

To date, it is still PP-VRD MSN 27109 / C/N 19 that was intended for scrapping.

Here's BI fleet details, including the B777s.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=BI&al_op=1
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
IB plans to take four used A343s between November and January (MSNs 029, 088, 169, 263) - the one to be scapped is MSN 016. Though, there may be a new development not yet widely reported.

If what you say is correct, then A340s (MSNs 169 and 263) will not now be going to Swiss as HB-JMK and HB-JML respectively?
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting Psimpson (Reply 12):
If what you say is correct, then A340s (MSNs 169 and 263) will not now be going to Swiss as HB-JMK and HB-JML respectively?

MSN 263 is already a member of LX fleet although stored, and 169 will arrive later this year.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:22 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 11):
Would the location be Walnut Ridge ARG in Arkansas ?

Yes, that was the place mentioned. Can´t find the thread I was talking about though. It was also said there Brunei would get it, but that was found as false info, as someone has apparently seen it being dismantled at Walnut Ridge.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:15 pm

I have seen pictures of the 777 that is being scrapped in a clear state of disassembly-much of the instrumentation in the cockpit gone, and I believe various external pieces (flaps, slats, and cabin doors) gone. From the discussions I read it was an ex-Varig plane that had been severely neglected and abused and because the cost to refurbish it would have been so high it held greater economic value for parts. Also, it was one of the first (relatively) short-ranged models and as such less desirable. I'm sure the same factors will catch up with some A-340's as well before long; it has less to do with the design and construction of the aircraft than how it's been treated.
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):
The other day there was a thread, which I cannot find anymore, about the first A340 going to be scrapped. I have read somewhere that the a/c will now go to IB.
Can anyone tell me what is actually going on?

It would seem unlikely that the a/c will be going to IB to be returned to revenue service. There are parts missing on the aircraft already. I drive by it a couple of times each day.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting StoutAirLines (Reply 16):
It would seem unlikely that the a/c will be going to IB to be returned to revenue service. There are parts missing on the aircraft already. I drive by it a couple of times each day.

You mean in GYR ?

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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 17):
Quoting StoutAirLines (Reply 16):
It would seem unlikely that the a/c will be going to IB to be returned to revenue service. There are parts missing on the aircraft already. I drive by it a couple of times each day.

You mean in GYR ?

Yes, I do, OceansWorld. It's currently parked at the north end of the airfield by the Lufthansa flight training school.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 17):

BTW, welcome aboard!

Thank you! It's great to be here.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:22 am

I understood ex BWIA A343 9Y-JIL was the first to be scrapped.
 
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Anglo2 (Reply 19):
I understood ex BWIA A343 9Y-JIL was the first to be scrapped.

Correct, this is MSN 016, and from latest reports, it will most likely be scrapped, a fact backed-up by StoutAirLines above.

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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)

I haven't seen a source yet confirming that. ATDB shows ex-PP-VRD to be derelict at ARG.


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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):
Really ? Which one ? AFAIK and according to the latest release of the B777 list by Airlinerlist, none have yet been scrapped or written-off.

I do Airlinerlist's 777 list and we only put the airframe as ' scrapped' when no major fuselage parts are there anymore, so indeed you can consider the ex Varig/BA aircraft as ' being scrapped' now.
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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
Was rumoured to be PP-VRD, but in the end this a/c went to Royal Brunei. (#87)

Incorrect. N703BA (ex-PP-VRD, CN 27109/19) was ferried from MZJ to Walnut Ridge, AR (KARG) on 12/10/06 and is in the process of being broken up for spares. In short, she's toast - 9 months into the scrapping process. Hopefully this will clear up any confusion. I wouldn't be surprised if spare parts from this early 777 have already made it into airline stockrooms around the world.

PP-VRE (ex-N207UA, CN 30213/232) is now with Royal Brunei. N702BA (ex-PP-VRC) went to the Gabon Government under a lease eff. 3/22/07.

The Varig family history of 777s really is a shame. PP-VRD ended up taking one for the team it would seem.

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RE: First To Be Scrapped A340 Going To IB?

Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:26 am

Farewell to the former 9Y-JIL, again it seems as if BW is setting sad records even after its own demise in December 2006. The once proud airline of the Caribbean no longer graces the sky. It does have a new successor, Caribbean Airlines who retain the code but it is just not the same. -JIL's demise seems rather symbolic of the fate of its last but 1 owner.

I did fly on it once in 2005 and its condition was quite deplorable. It needed a lot of interior work, IFE repair and the like to be brought up to scratch. BW's other A340 was in much better condition despite not being as well-equipped. It is still sad to see it go.

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