treeny
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No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:46 pm

All

I was wondering if the more experience travellers or peers with inside knowledge could give me a general overview about the following scenario. My idea is to get only an idea - I dont think we need to debate and discuss how different airlines operate (if indeed there is a difference)

Basically what happens if I buy a ticket that is a) Full Fare without restrictions or b) With restrictions on route A>B>C where B is supposed to be my transfer airport.

Assuming that I have no checked luggage what happens if I need to stay in B or basically dont want to take the flight to C. Will I be charged for not turning up if I decide not to pay a ticket change fine.

I suppose I am asking for, in a roundabout way, if and how 'No Shows' actually get punished if they have bought the ticket but just choose not to fly the final leg.

Cheers as always

Mark
 
PA101
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:52 pm

Well, you won't get fined, but if you don't show up for your final leg, most airlines will automatically cancel your return reservations (if you have any). It it was just a oneway anyhow, you are fine.

I don't know about full fare tickets, if they get refunded, even with being a no-show for a specific flight...
 
paladin87
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:58 pm

Technically its illegal and I believe if you are caught they can charge you the full fare. People have done this because often it is cheaper to fly from A-B-C then it is from A-B since B is typically a hub and thus a higher fare. There is a term for this that I can't think of right now but to tell the truth most people get away with it. But I wouldn't bet on it as the airlines are looking for every cent and they may have stepped up their enforcement of this.
 
BHXFAOTIPYYC
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:59 pm

No, they do not. If you do not show up for the lest leg, the airline will not recalculate the fare and charge you accordingly. Putting in dummy returns or hidden city ticketing to lower the fare is as old as the hills. A lot of this is no longer necessary as more airlines sell reasonable one way fares now, although some monopoly/duopoly routes for example still require some additional "research".

As you requested, no comment as to whether it's right or wrong.
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bnatraveler
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 3):
more airlines sell reasonable one way fares now

...except NW. I seem to always have to do a hidden city or no-show segment at the end of my trip in order for it to be reasonable. Very annoying -- especially since the routes have WN competition on cheap one ways.
 
PanHAM
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting Paladin87 (Reply 2):
Technically its illegal and I believe if you are caught they can charge you the full fare.

This has been discussed before. It may be (or is) illegal in the US, where airlines may have the legal weapons to fight and fine and punish their customers.

In the free and economic liberal Europe, you just don't give a damn. To give an example, If I buy a return cheap ticket from FRA to MAD on LH and buy another cheap return ticket for the same day/evening on IB back to FRA, I have 2 options, complete the flights or just waste the return tickets.

I buy myself back to back tickets withon Germany all the times, sometimes one by air and one by rail, going out by train in the morning and return by plane in the eveming and repeat that in 2 weeks time. Or have both return tickets by air.

Never caused a problem and it is absolutely legal. we have a free market, the airline can charge me 3 times as much for the 7 am departure as they charge for the 12 noon departure. I just make use of the system and the opprtunities.
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ltbewr
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:01 pm

Security, especially since 9/11, is another factor to not allow or to penalize those who buy A-B-C tickets and only go A-B as it is cheaper than an A-B only ticket. If a pax doesn't show for the later leg, it can screw up security rules, mean additional paperwork, hassles in looking for the pax, and so on.
 
PA101
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):

That's right. Buying back to back tickets is very common in Europe, especially for people that need to fly back the very same day and don't want to pay the full fare usually charged for a same day return.

I've never heard of LH fining pax that just knew their way around its fare structure. I just guess, they hope that not too many people will come up with that idea.
 
chase
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:21 pm

I think the general rule of thumb in the US is that if you do it once, the airline isn't going to hunt you down and charge you the fare difference, but if you make a habit of it, they will. Personally, I've only done it in Europe...bought CDG-ZRH-BOM-ZRH-CDG, but got off at ZRH on the way back. Didn't get charged extra money, got the FF miles for the segments I flew...don't remember if I got the miles for the segment I bailed on or not.
 
sandrozrh
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:22 pm

I booked a resticted ZRH-AMS roundtrip a few years ago but later found out that I couldn't make the trip, so i just didnt turn up at the airport. I haven't heard anything since and flew the same carrier again after that without ptoblems. I even claimed the tax and got it refunded.
 
blueflyer
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:26 pm

Passengers have been "fined" in the US for this practice, but the fine was the full-fare price (irrelevant in the OP's case since he/she pays full fare anyhow) and the pax pretty much begged to be caught: Two tickets bought at the same time on the same airline with the same credit card.
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PanHAM
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
mean additional paperwork, hassles in looking for the pax, and so o

c'mon, you have no bags checked and you don't show up. Where is the problem? You're taken off the list, a head count is made anyhow and the head count macthes the boarding passes collected. You have a security problems if there is one too many.

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 10):
retty much begged to be caught: Two tickets bought at the same time on the same airline with the same credit card

...and even then, nothing would happen in Europe. Play it a bit smarter and use competing carriers and there should be no problem. .
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PA101
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RE: No Show For Dummies!

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 9):

Yeah - but that's regular no-show. No airline cares whether you miss you planned flighton purpose and therefore don't get your discount fare refunded. That way they get to make money twice. Your fare and the lucky standby persons fare that otherwise couldn't have come along due to overbooking...

What they hate (in the US) though, is the following:

PHX-SLC-SEA e.g. might be cheaper than just PHX-SLC (due to a complicated fare structure that takes into account competition with AS and US on the PHX-SEA route). Thus, smart Pax X buys the ticket all the way to SEA and gets off in SLC (having not checked luggage), paying the cheaper fare though. I didn't actually know that US carriers can fine you for that...