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Garuda Considers A320 Order

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:12 pm

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Flag carrier Garuda Indonesia is considering buying 20 Airbus A320 aircraft, worth about 1.3 billion dollars, airline director Ari Sapari said Thursday.

"It is still just a discussion, we still need some evaluation," Sapari told AFP, adding that negotiations with Airbus had not yet begun.

He said that the purchase of the 20 jets would be "in line with Garuda's plan to develop our operations."

Late last year, Garuda signed a contract to purchase 25 Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft, which are expected to be delivered in stages from May 2009 to February 2012. The airline is also awaiting delivery of three Airbus A330-300s, part of nine aircraft under order.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i60StyHxD407Woc4X9P-_tv_KKcg

A bit from everything for Garuda it seems... interesting that the three outstanding A330-300s will be delivered as well.
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:27 pm

Good news that Garuda keep looking to update their fleet.
They seriously need to gain back confidence after last years trouble.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
interesting that the three outstanding A330-300s will be delivered as well

Think the A333 fits well into their fleet here for intraasia destinations.
Were they not expceted to be delivered?
Any idea if they have any plans to retire any 747s yet?
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:28 pm

Why would they order both the A320 and 737NG?
 
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 2):
Why would they order both the A320 and 737NG?

I'd also like to know why. I know that there has been some undue hysteria surrounding 737 aircraft in Indonesia, but that doesn't justify having a mixed narrowbody fleet. Garuda is barely making money as it is. Why would they place an order that would just put more stress on their operations?
 
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 2):
Why would they order both the A320 and 737NG?

Maybe it is for pavement strength issues for regional airports in Indonesia.

The 4 wheel bogie A319/A320/321 would allow operations into airports in Indonesia where 737-200 aircraft are being used due to the pavement strength limitations. I think the A318 could be used at those airports with just the standard bogie.

The 737NG does not have that ability, and would exceed the pavement strength at many regional Indonesian airports.
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:16 am

Maybe it is to do with the EU ban being lifted?

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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 2):
Why would they order both the A320 and 737NG?
Maybe it is for pavement strength issues for regional airports in Indonesia.
The 4 wheel bogie A319/A320/321 would allow operations into airports in Indonesia where 737-200 aircraft are being used due to the pavement strength limitations. I think the A318 could be used at those airports with just the standard bogie.
The 737NG does not have that ability, and would exceed the pavement strength at many regional Indonesian airports.

As a factor to be considered, Indonesian airlines have very known major problems with maintenance.

So, to multiply these problems by operating both type of aircraft, aside the cost factor, seems increase the risk for more accidents.
If the pavement strenght is really the problem, should they not order some lighter B737-700s or even -600s for operations in such aircrafts ??

Anyway, is the -800 not outsize for such regional airports ??

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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:53 pm

From Hamlet69s 2007 order thread:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 129):
Pending
Removed:
Garuda Indonesia: 25 737-800, 10 787-8 (had it confirmed that this LOI has expired)

So none of Garudas orders got firmed up.
And they accordingly has no 737-800 on order.
So they are looking for making a new NB order, this time with Airbus.
Just wondering why they didn't firm up the Boeing orders?
Does anyone has any input?
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:40 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 7):
Just wondering why they didn't firm up the Boeing orders?

If you have no money, but your management has to look like they care about the problems and aging fleet issues, then you announce orders, high tech acquisitions and let the LOI die quietly... Then, before you get booted for it, you quickly come up with million reasons that why the planes that are good for any other operator operating in similar or the same environment is not good for you, and why you turn to the other player and start the ordering game again... in the mean time you could travel around the world, spend money of your already troubled company on representative trips and evaluation tenders. Bag in money from related corruption transactions and the game goes on and on, while everyone is wondering why your airline is making losses and why your planes are falling out of the skies... but you don't have to worry. You fly the repo trips with your airline's money, and use the F seats of the likes of SQ, CX, EK, LH, etc, etc, etc...

What a joke... once so big GA, now a victim of corruption and management carelessness
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting Elger (Reply 6):
As a factor to be considered, Indonesian airlines have very known major problems with maintenance.

Garuda doesn't have any maintenance problems at the moment. Their maintenance branch, Garuda Maintenance Facility (GMF) just had it's license extended by the FAA/EASA and local authorities like Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore. Now, if GMF was doing something wrong, this license wasn't extended.

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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:54 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 3):
The 4 wheel bogie A319/A320/321 would allow operations into airports in Indonesia where 737-200 aircraft are being used due to the pavement strength limitations.

IIRC it says in the A320 TCDS that 4-wheel bogie A320s are limited to a MTOW of 73.5 tonnes, so I think it was never available on the A321.
And many people say the manufacturer of the 4-wheel bogie went bankrupt, and thus it's not available anymore. Can you confirm that?


BTW, I believe that the B735 will replace much of Indonesia's B732 fleet. It's cheap (unsuitable for freighter conversion), relatively light and has the same size.
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RE: Garuda Considers A320 Order

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:19 am

The 320s is probably just a reaction to Mandala ordering 25 A320s and Batavia switching to A320s in the long run too.

The airports here are getting runway upgrades, so, the A320 vs B737 is not a PCN issue for much longer...

The wingspan is an issue though... gotta revise a lot of parking layouts on the aprons here because of that (both 320s and NGs).

GA's current situation is improving thanks to the current management. But, the overall financial situation is still precarious. The NG order has gone into oblivion, no one knows for sure if they will be realised. And to order 320s now again, is strange, and it has a risk of meeting the same fate as the NG order...

Recent orders gone up in smoke... Adam Air A320s

Back to Garuda...
Recently Garuda has been considering all types of aircraft. This 320 is the latest, just prior to this was the consideration to dispose of the 744 and obtain A343s... before that it was "let's get 767s because the A333s were marked up", before that was the NG and 787 order...

As to the 732 replacements for the other airlines...
They're all going 733/4... and 319/320, with the 733/4 leading at the moment, the 735s are lagging behind interestingly.

But if someone got a few, I could surely use the -500s...

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