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Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:49 am

Flicking through United 747 I noticed this picture of the cabin and thought that Video screen looks awfully small to watch a movie on, have not flown with them so can't comment, is it the case?

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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:20 am

They are small, but they will be getting better in the near future. I think the screens no are about 6", but they will be almost 15" soon. Check out http://suitedreams.united.com/ or http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/united/28964/ The second link is better but may not work. It worked as of a couple of days ago but the prnewswire site seems to be down right now. Enjoy.
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Video screen looks awfully small to watch a movie on,

It is quite small. As a child, I had a Donkey Kong video game that had a larger screen....  Wink


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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:48 am

Business and Economy are around 4" and First is 6".
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:51 am

I remember flying UA 744 SYD-SFO (or LAX, can't remember) some years back and recall the J-Class screens being smaller than the Y-Class offering on CX.

Just don't get me started on the service - the FA in charge of the downstairs J Cabin looked old enough to need a walking frame. A bit of a sour puss with pursed lips, she was. Efficient - you hardly saw her, she must have been really busy...

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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:21 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Business and Economy are around 4" and First is 6".

Does United have PTVs in Economy on the 747s?
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:24 am

No they do not and it's very sad. They should have upgraded with PTV's and/or AVOD in economy by now.

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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 5):
Does United have PTVs in Economy on the 747s?

They do not. But the 767s and 777s do.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
They should have upgraded with PTV's and/or AVOD in economy by now.

Not worth the investment or time and money in UA's eyes. Most folks pick UA because of price or being wedded to Mileage Plus/Star Alliance, not service or amenities.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:58 pm

I dont think 767 in economy have PTV's either.

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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 8):
I dont think 767 in economy have PTV's either.

All international configured United 767-300ER aircraft offer PTVs in the United Economy cabin, as in United First and United Business.

Domestic configured United 767-300s do NOT offer PTVs anywhere onboard.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:56 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Most folks pick UA because of price or being wedded to Mileage Plus/Star Alliance, not service or amenities.

And some of us, even when price sensitive and being wedded to Star Alliance, are now going out of our way to avoid UA specifically because of the lack of service or amenities. But what a great flight on Asiana I had this morning!
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 10):
And some of us, even when price sensitive and being wedded to Star Alliance, are now going out of our way to avoid UA specifically because of the lack of service or amenities. But what a great flight on Asiana I had this morning!

And that's your right. I avoid UA whenever possible internationally (I fly premium cabin only) and choose other Star carriers like LH, SQ and NH. Domestically, I tend to fly AS more and more because of better benefits to paid F flyers and their Mileage Plan lets me redeem for the best OneWorld carriers, as well. As such, I burned the last of my UA Mileage Plus miles and switched to LH M&M.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 10):
And some of us, even when price sensitive and being wedded to Star Alliance, are now going out of our way to avoid UA specifically because of the lack of service or amenities

One cannot blame you for that, it will be interesting when the new F & J seats are installed if the service in any way changes. One can only hope!
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
No they do not and it's very sad. They should have upgraded with PTV's and/or AVOD in economy by now.

I agree, that is sad.....i'll just stick with Qantas when I need to fly from SFO/LAX to SYD.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 10):
But what a great flight on Asiana I had this morning!

I think OZ is one of the most underrated airline in the business. They are great and except for the FA's little to no English skills, I'd rank them right up there with SQ and CX. I've flown them 6 times and loved them every time. UA international sucks, period.
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Not worth the investment or time and money in UA's eyes. Most folks pick UA because of price or being wedded to Mileage Plus/Star Alliance, not service or amenities.

I don't think that's true. United domestic service in no way below average amongst airlines in the US. Internationally their flights to Asia often have levels of service which would be competitive with some of the better Asian airlines. I've had some unusually pleasant experiences with United international flights. They still do have some old hags floating around, and their level of service isn't universal, but their 767 and 777 fleets have PTVs throughout, comfortable seats, good service on most of the international flights they serve, and Economy Plus, which, as someone 6'4" (1,94m) is greatly appreciated .... and I didn't even frequently pay to upgrade to Economy Plus even before I made elite status.

That said, MileagePlus is a pretty good FF program, and that alone keeps me loyal to Star Alliance.... do you really think I'd otherwise put myself on US Airways? And I hope LH upgrades their In'tl Y product soon...
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Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:42 am

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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 12):
One cannot blame you for that, it will be interesting when the new F & J seats are installed if the service in any way changes. One can only hope!

It's funny how they are finally working on overhauling their First and Business class products, yet they mention nothing about overhauling their Economy class.

The same thing with AA. I don't know about their Business class, but AA is getting new First class seats and again the economy seats are left to rot.
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):


Quoting Stitch in Reply 7:
Not worth the investment or time and money in UA's eyes. Most folks pick UA because of price or being wedded to Mileage Plus/Star Alliance, not service or amenities.

I don't think that's true...Internationally their flights to Asia often have levels of service which would be competitive with some of the better Asian airlines. I've had some unusually pleasant experiences with United international flights. (T)their level of service isn't universal, but their 767 and 777 fleets have PTVs throughout, comfortable seats, good service on most of the international flights they serve, and Economy Plus, which, as someone 6'4" (1,94m) is greatly appreciated...and I didn't even frequently pay to upgrade to Economy Plus even before I made elite status.

I might have come across as dissing UA, which was not my intent. They were my primary airline of choice for close to two decades (1986-2006). I too have had good service on almost all my flights, domestic and international. And I admit I prefer the more friendly attitude of North American carrier crews to the more subservient attitude of Asian carrier crews. I like to "wander" and it's nice to chat with the crews in the galley to past the time, which I can do much more on NA carriers (though part of it might just be cultural since I am not Asian, but then I don't see them chatting it up with the Asian passengers, either).

But now that I fly on my own dime, it's all about total value. And UA (and other North American carriers) are not offering the same value as their international peers do. UA did. I remember the First Class Concierge meeting me at NRT or LHR and SEA used to have an International First Class lounge where I could relax in before heading to NRT or off to ORD/IAD to connect with my trans-Atlantic flight. And I remember when they'd collect us at the SFO IFL and walk us to the plane prior to boarding, handing our passports and boarding passes to the gate agents while we boarded, then bringing them to us once we were seated. And they'd block the aisles for a few minutes to let us exit via Door 1L before Business Class started their own rush forward. But that doesn't generally happen anymore on UA, but it generally does on the international carriers I now use.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 17):
It's funny how they are finally working on overhauling their First and Business class products, yet they mention nothing about overhauling their Economy class.

It's because Economy is more price-driven. If you're choices were QF at $1000 LAX-SYD and UA at $800, even though QF has PTVs and UA doesn't, the majority (probably large majority) of passengers would take UA because it was cheaper. They don't value the PTV at $200. Yes, some will spend the extra. It's why I spend hundreds more for domestic First Class because of the seat and more personalized service. But most of the folks in the cabin are there on upgrades and many of them are actually [hostile to the airline for making First only a couple hundred more then the cheapest price because then people like me buy it and take the seat they wanted to upgrade into.

And that sense of "upgrade entitlement" - fully created and supported by the airlines themselves, I will admit - is why US airlines find it so hard to convince people to pay $7000 for a Business Class seat or $10,000 for First Class which would support significant improvements to the product on the ground and in the air.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 17):
It's funny how they are finally working on overhauling their First and Business class products, yet they mention nothing about overhauling their Economy class.

The cabins throughout the International fleet are being tarted up 767,777 and 747. As for PTV on the 76's and 77's I assume but dont know for sure that they might get new PTV's but I am not sure on that, perhaps others will know. Either way, all those aircraft throughout will be "refreshed"!

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 17):
The same thing with AA. I don't know about their Business class, but AA is getting new First class seats and again the economy seats are left to rot.

Actually, AA are putting in new J seats on their international fleet but its lame compared to what UA will offer IMHO and a lot others. They are not getting new F seats, they are just adding the Flagship Sutes to the rest of the International fleet. Why they did not do that years ago is beyond me.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Business and Economy are around 4" and First is 6".

Huh? UA has old 3 tube CRT projectors in Economy on the 744s. I believe they are scheduled to be replaced with LCD flat screens but no individual screens are planned. The 744s are already on the road to becoming cattle cars to Hawaii.
 
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 20):
Huh? UA has old 3 tube CRT projectors in Economy on the 744s. I believe they are scheduled to be replaced with LCD flat screens but no individual screens are planned. The 744s are already on the road to becoming cattle cars to Hawaii.

He's talking about the planes that have PTV's, the 777's and international 767's.
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:20 pm

Okay, thanks for all the input people.  Smile
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Flicking through United 747 I noticed this picture of the cabin and thought that Video screen looks awfully small to watch a movie on, have not flown with them so can't comment, is it the case?

Yes. The business class screens are small (see photo). But 5-10 years ago it was state-of-the art. Now that other airlines have introduced bigger screens, UA is now behind. But they are now finally catching up.


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The economy class viewscreens seriously need updating. The old VHS technology is way too old and there are severe video tracking problems as well as faded colors. I'm surprised more pax don't complain about this, but it's unacceptable for UA to let the video quality go so downhill and not do anything about it until now. Even on P.S. between California and New York, the video quality on the economy class screens are atrocious! I was quite surprised when I flew on P.S. last June.

The sooner UA upgrades the video monitors and screens the better!

At least the food was delicious and very nicely presented..
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RE: Small Screen On United 747?

Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 17):

It's funny how they are finally working on overhauling their First and Business class products, yet they mention nothing about overhauling their Economy class.

Airlines make most their money of J and F, it's their bread and butter. It is thus logical for them to be upgrading their premium cabins. Competition in premium cabin amenities is more ruthless that competition between Y products...

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