pilotaydin
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Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:27 am

so i dont have a schengen visa...and i want to fly from IST-BOS tomorrow....

i was told by some people that the UK requires a transit visa, so i cant fly through there, FRA is mostly booked, so what about paris? CDG? or BRU or AMS? do i need a transit visa for there too??

it sucks that you need this thing in the UK lol
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:41 am

Why don't you fly DL to JFK and connect there?
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:47 am

Some nationals do not require a visa to transit in the UK - make double sure you check yourself whether or not your nationality is on the list of those eligible to transit without a visa. Second hand info about immigration matters is always best ignored - always check yourself!
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RussianJet
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:51 am

You can check here - all is not necessarily as simple as it might seem. It also makes a difference if you hold a US visa, what type etc.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Fr.../ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1006977149962
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:07 am

It would help if you stated your citizenship as it very much matters.

Generally speaking, you need a transit visa if you actually intend (or need) to clear immigrations while connecting from one flight to another. AFAIK, you do not have to clear immigrations in order to change plane at AMS, BRU or CDG, so you do not need a visa.

Exceptions in Belgium and France, nationals of the following countries do need a transit visa:
Afghanistan, Albania (France only), Angola, Bangladesh, Burkina Faso (France), Cameroon (France), Colombia (France), Congo (Dem Rep), Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Haiti (France), India (France), Iran, Iraq, Ivory Coast (France), Liberia (France), Lybia (France), Mali (France), Nigeria, Pakistan, Senegal (France), Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Sudan and Syrian Arab Republic.

Exceptions do not apply if possessing a valid residence permit for the EU member states or Andorra, Canada, Iceland, Japan, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland or the USA (actual green card required, anything else, such as in-process application, etc... not accepted).
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antonovman
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:53 am

Apparently if you have a visa for the USA and an onward ticket UK - USA you should not need a visa.
"Yes, you need a Direct Airside Transit (DAT) visa, unless you hold one of the following:
# a valid visa for entry to Australia, Canada, New Zealand or the United States of America and a valid airline ticket for travel via the United Kingdom as part of a journey from another country or territory to the country in respect of which the visa is held;"
Taken from ukvisas.gov.uk
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
Why don't you fly DL to JFK and connect there?

we don't have ZED tickets with delta unfortunately....

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 4):
you do not have to clear immigrations in order to change plane at AMS, BRU or CDG, so you do not need a visa.

good that means i can use any one of those three, thanks for that!

by the way im turkish, just have a US tourist visa, that does no good lol
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OHLHD
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:19 am

As per the the timatic you can't transit FRA or MUC without a visa.

....Turkey who always need a visa, even if transiting on same aircraft.

France sees no restrictions while in transit. My advise is to avoid FRA especially if the flight is full.

You need a transit visa for the UK by all means!

Good luck!!!!  Smile

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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:45 am

If Im not mistaken, you can travel through LHR with your US visa. Here is a summary of the most actual Timatics (visa regulations)


National TURKEY (TR) /Embarkation TURKEY (TR)
Transit UNITED KINGDOM (GREAT BRITAIN) (GB)
Destination U.S.A. (US)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW


UNITED KINGDOM (GREAT BRITAIN) (GB


Visa required, even in direct airside transit.

Exemptions apply when holding visas for Australia, Canada,
New Zealand, U.S.A. and E.E.A. countries (TIRGL/EEA )and
TWOV is then permitted. For information & conditions on:


- exemptions, see: For details, click here ; and
- TWOV facility, see: For details, click here .

Type of transit visa required depends on type of journey:
- if passenger is in transit with same-day, same-airport
transfer, "A-Direct Airside Transit" visa (DATV) is required.
This visa must be obtained prior to arrival in the UK and
will allow the passenger to transit between terminals at the
same UK airport as the passenger remains airside;
- if passenger is in transit and must change airport in the
U.K., or has an overnight stop in U.K., a valid U.K. visa
with any endorsement other than "Direct Airside Transit
Visa" is required;
- if passenger is in transit to the Channel Isl., Isle of
Man, or Ireland (Rep. of), a valid U.K. visa with any
endorsement other than "Direct Airside Transit Visa" or
"Visitor in Transit Visa" is required.

>>>> further details to the exeptions:

OTES:
*24EXEMPT from the requirement to hold a (DATV) visa for
transit purposes are those meeting one of the following

conditions below, where normal TWOV will then apply, see

2. "Visa" 8 (not applicable to Merchant Seamen).
However, with regards to US visas, this DATV exemption

is not applicable if holding a US Visa Foil type "YY" or
"ZZ" endorsed "Not a visa. Foil prepared at DHS request"
nor the US Adit stamp worded "Processed for I-551"
(temporary form I-551):
a.travelling with a visa which allows entry into (or
transit through) either Australia, Canada, New Zealand or
the U.S.A. and holding a valid ticket for travel from a
third country or territory via the U.K. as part of a
journey TO (or through) Australia, Canada, New Zealand or
the U.S.A., whichever the visa is applicable to. (e.g.:
DEL-LHR-JFK, DEL-CDG-LHR-JFK, DEL-LHR-CDG-JFK or
DEL-LHR-JFK-MEX);OR

b. holding a VALID visa for entry into Australia, Canada,
New Zealand or the U.S.A. and a valid airline ticket for
travel via the U.K. as part of a journey FROM the country
in respect of which the visa is held to another country
or territory; OR
c. travelling as part of a journey FROM either Australia,
Canada, New Zealand or the U.S.A., provided transiting

the U.K. less than 6 months after the date they last
entered Australia, Canada, New Zealand or the U.S.A. with
a valid visa for the respective country, even though the

visa may have expired at time of transit through the

U.K.. (e.g.: JFK-LHR-DEL, JFK-CDG-LHR-DEL or
JFK-LHR-CDG-DEL); OR
d. holding:
-a valid U.S. I-551 Permanent Resident Card issued on
or after April 21, 1998; or -an expired I-551 Permanent
Resident Card issued on or after April 21, 1998, provided
accompanied by a valid I-797 letter authorising the
extension, issued by the Bureau of Citizenship; or

-a stand alone U.S. Immigration visa Form 155A/155B

(attached to a sealed brown envelope); OR
e. holding a valid Canadian Permanent Resident Card
issued on or after June 28, 2002; OR
f. holding a valid common format Category D Visa for
entry into an E.E.A. member state (see Terms &
Definitions); OR
g. holding a valid common format residence permit issued
by an E.E.A member state (see Terms & Definitions)

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 7):
P.S.: I have the book in my hands, if you need more info just write what you need.

you can throw away your book  Smile it is wrong as pilotaydin as well as a lot of other friends of mine did it through FRA without any transit visa  Wink
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 4):
Generally speaking, you need a transit visa if you actually intend (or need) to clear immigrations while connecting from one flight to another. AFAIK, you do not have to clear immigrations in order to change plane at AMS, BRU or CDG, so you do not need a visa.

This is not true for the UK. you need a visa even if you are sitting on the plane while it is refuelling. Gate agents in your boarding country will not let you check in otherwise. My relative (Indian national) was asked for a DASV (Direct Airside Visa) while boarding a Kuwait Airways flight from JFK to MAA via LHR, Kuwait. She is a Canadian Perm resident so no worries.
CDG, FRA also you need a transit visa eventhough you will only be airside and not clear immigration. Exceptions are similar to the UK, if you have a valid US visa and travelling from/to US, transiting through these airports not intending to leave the terminal, you are ok.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
Second hand info about immigration matters is always best ignored - always check yourself!

As RussianJet mentions better to just go the website of the respective countries consulate or call the consulte and check yourself.
 
stylo777
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting VTMAA (Reply 9):

As RussianJet mentions better to just go the website of the respective countries consulate or call the consulte and check yourself.

check out http://www.skyteam.com/EN/travelPlanner/timatic/index.jsp

it will save you the call to the consulate or the way to your travel agent  Wink
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):
check out http://www.skyteam.com/EN/travelPlan...x.jsp

Thats a very useful link

Thanks

OA260
 
stylo777
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):

Thats a very useful link

Thanks

OA260

you're welcome! It is up-to-date and includes all current regulations. You can be sure and rely on that, because in Europe we're are deciding regarding that regulations for example while check-in...
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 12):
you're welcome! It is up-to-date and includes all current regulations. You can be sure and rely on that, because in Europe we're are deciding regarding that regulations for example while check-in...

I remember years ago when I worked at LHR we had a big book and it was Timatic , we used it for passengers also. The online version is much better.
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):
check out http://www.skyteam.com/EN/travelPlan...x.jsp

Great resource! Thanks.
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
you can throw away your book

No I won't because I did not read that he has the US Visa.  Smile That is of course a very different story.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):
check out http://www.skyteam.com/EN/travelPlan...x.jsp

This is exactly what the book is about. The Timatic Big grin
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Thread starter):
i was told by some people that the UK requires a transit visa, so i cant fly through there, FRA is mostly booked, so what about paris? CDG? or BRU or AMS? do i need a transit visa for there too??

Hi PilotAydin...

I transited through CDG, FRA and MUC dozens of times and never needed a transit visa as I continued with the same carrier or with carriers in the same alliance...

And as far as I know, you do not need a transit UK visa as long as you hold a valid visa for the US. Better check with the consulate though and do not trust travel agents. They don't know anything.... Or better call BA, I am sure they get this question millions of times everyday...

Have a great trip to Boston....
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:30 am

If you could get to DUB you could clear US Immigration there with your Visa

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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting VTMAA (Reply 14):
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):
check out http://www.skyteam.com/EN/travelPlan...x.jsp

Great resource! Thanks.

Several airline sites also have links to TIMATIC. Following is the CO link:
http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...D=18BCAE66549D4D17B7BBF4933F639724
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:17 am

You mentioned that you are travelling on a ZED ticket, i.e. you are airline staff, right? Well in that case I'm pretty sure you cannot check in for connecting flights until you get to the connecting airport, therefore you will need to clear customs, pick up your luggage, and then check in again.

Even if you are using a ZED (staff) ticket on a through flight, my understanding of the staff travel regulations in general is that you would have to be eligible for off-loading at the intermediate station in case of commercial need, therefore you would require any applicable visas for that intermediate country.

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stylo777
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 19):
You mentioned that you are travelling on a ZED ticket, i.e. you are airline staff, right? Well in that case I'm pretty sure you cannot check in for connecting flights until you get to the connecting airport, therefore you will need to clear customs, pick up your luggage, and then check in again.

Even if you are using a ZED (staff) ticket on a through flight, my understanding of the staff travel regulations in general is that you would have to be eligible for off-loading at the intermediate station in case of commercial need, therefore you would require any applicable visas for that intermediate country.

he stay in transit and just go to the departure gate of the BOS flight so no worries about customs and so on.
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 20):
he stay in transit and just go to the departure gate of the BOS flight so no worries about customs and so on.

Really? That must be at FRA, right? How does this satisfy the advance processing of API data by the US authorities? Surely if you just turn up at the departure gate having not checked in, and with a standby (ZED) ticket, they won't have time to get US security clearance before the flight leaves? Or does a US visa bypass that requirement? I'd be astonished if the US allowed their security process to be circumvented in this way, but then again, maybe not...  Smile

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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:49 pm

You can also transit via ZRH

As you transit at ZRH without leaving the sterile area they don't ask for a visa.

Also LX are pretty good.

From Timatic ( http://www.staralliance.com/en/travellers/tools_services/index.html )

National TURKEY TR) /Embarkation TURKEY TR)
Transit SWITZERLAND CH) /Destination U.S.A. US)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW


SWITZERLAND CH)


Visa not required provided holding a valid visa either for:
- Andorra, Canada, Monaco, San Marino, U.S.A., or
- an E.U. country see TIRGL/EEU( ); or
- an E.F.T.A. country see TIRGL/EFTA( ).
Leaving the transit area is only allowed under agreement of
the border police.

In all other cases: visa required.

WARNING: For passengers arriving at Basle/Mulhouse or Geneva
airports, please see: For details, click here item 2.


U.S.A. US)



Passport required must be valid at time of entry; passenger

may be authorized to stay until the expiry date of the

passport). For validity see: For details, click here - Item 2.

Visa required.

* If coming directly from Guam or Virgin Isl: pre-inspection

by the USA Customs and Border Protection CBP) will have

taken place prior to embarkation, when passengers are

required to provide proof of their legal right to enter
the U.S.A.
If coming directly from Puerto Rico: pre-inspection may take

place by CBP prior to embarkation, when passengers are

required to provide their documents and proof of their legal
right to enter U.S.A.;
* if not holding tickets and documents required for return/

onward destination, entry may be refused and deportation may

follow. This is at discretion of Immigration Authorities;

* non-compliance with entry requirements will result in fines
varying between USD 2,000 and USD 3,000 per passenger
and either deportation or indefinite delay for passenger

at point of entry detention costs at carrier's expense);

* fines for incomplete/inaccurately filled out I-94 or I-94W
Forms: USD 1,000.- per passenger;
* minors: for specific information see: For details, click here -
Item 11 and For details, click here - Item 2;
* for valid visas in an expired passport,
see: For details, click here - item 10;
* for validity of indefinite B1-B2 visas,
see: For details, click here ;

[Edited 2007-09-07 13:51:21]
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OHLHD
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 21):
Really? That must be at FRA, right? How does this satisfy the advance processing of API data by the US authorities? Surely if you just turn up at the departure gate having not checked in, and with a standby (ZED) ticket, they won't have time to get US security clearance before the flight leaves? Or does a US visa bypass that requirement? I'd be astonished if the US allowed their security process to be circumvented in this way, but then again, maybe not...

Well, going to a service center is the best option. They are everywhere around FRA.  Smile
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 21):
I'd be astonished if the US allowed their security process to be circumvented in this way, but then again, maybe not...

When was the last time any measure by Homeland Security ever made any sense?  Smile Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
stylo777
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 21):

Really? That must be at FRA, right? How does this satisfy the advance processing of API data by the US authorities? Surely if you just turn up at the departure gate having not checked in, and with a standby (ZED) ticket, they won't have time to get US security clearance before the flight leaves? Or does a US visa bypass that requirement? I'd be astonished if the US allowed their security process to be circumvented in this way, but then again, maybe not... Smile

Riv'

it is like you explained, you just show up at the gate, right in front of the gate there is a company making API checks and insert the data to the system - that's it and all US security requirements are achieved.

the same did pilotaydin this morning. he came from IST, send his bags through to BOS, just went to the departure at got his boarding pass to BOS.
 
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:51 pm

hey great info from everyone thanks a lot! as my bro stylo said, that's exactly what i did...

flew ISt-FRA-BOS my bags showed up at bos and i just went through a US visa check at the B20-29 gates at FRA and i was on my way to BOS no problems and people were super friendly when they read my ZED ticket and saw i was airline staff...


i also wanna thank US airways, they were EXCELLENT i was standby and they didnt bump me down the list like AA does and i gto to where i was going!! loved it  Smile US from now on for me while domestic zedding  Smile
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 26):
flew ISt-FRA-BOS



Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 26):
i also wanna thank US airways, they were EXCELLENT

Does US Airways fly FRA-BOS???? Since when and with what equipment?

KL911
 
stylo777
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RE: Europe And Transit Visas

Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 27):
Does US Airways fly FRA-BOS???? Since when and with what equipment?

no they don't and I doubt it in the future.
He took US Air within the US from BOS. FRA-BOS was opt by LH.

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 26):

flew ISt-FRA-BOS my bags showed up at bos and i just went through a US visa check at the B20-29 gates at FRA and i was on my way to BOS no problems and people were super friendly when they read my ZED ticket and saw i was airline staff...

Great to hear that everything went fine. Sorry again for my non-presence at that day.