MadameConcorde
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Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:01 pm

Pope Benedikt XVI was due to fly to Austria this morning, leaving Rome Ciampino at 9.30 AM local time and arriving at Wien International at 11.15 where a welcome ceremony was going to be held in his honor.

Was anybody at Wien airport when he landed ?

Did B. XVI fly on one of the Alitalia jets or did he take one of the aircrafts from the new Vatican charter airline?

I am curious to know.

His return flight will be from Wien International on Sunday at 19.45 PM. Planned landing time for Ciampino 21.30.
I suppose the return aircraft will be Austrian Airline.

Does the Pope get a special seat or does he fly in regular Business Class on short haul European flights?
Are these everybody's flights with a blocked Business cabin, or are they specially chartered flights?


Travel schedule:

11.15 Uhr Ankunft auf dem internationalen Flughafen Wien-Schwechat - Begrüßungszeremonie auf dem Flughafen (Ansprache des Heiligen Vaters)

12.00 Uhr Autofahrt vom Flughafen zum Platz Am Hof, auf der Fahrtroute Umsteigen in das 'Papamobil'

12.45 Uhr Ankunft auf dem Platz Am Hof. Gebet vor der Mariensäule auf dem Platz Am Hof (Grußworte des Heiligen Vaters)

13.30 Uhr Fahrt im 'Papamobil' zum Judenplatz

13.35 Uhr Stilles Gedenken vor dem Mahnmal für die österreichischen Opfer der Shoah auf dem Judenplatz

13.40 Uhr Fahrt im 'Papamobil' vom Judenplatz zur Apostolischen Nuntiatur

13.50 Uhr Ankunft in der Apostolischen Nuntiatur

17.15 Uhr Autofahrt zur Hofburg

17.30 Uhr Ankunft in der Hofburg Höflichkeitsbesuch beim Bundespräsidenten. Begegnung mit Vertretern des öffentlichen Lebens und des Diplomatischen Corps (Ansprache des Heiligen Vaters)

18.45 Uhr Autofahrt von der Hofburg zur Apostolischen Nuntiatur

19.00 Uhr Ankunft in der Apostolischen Nuntiatur – Vermutlich inoffizielles Grußwort zu Jugendlichen

SAMSTAG:

8.00 Uhr Autofahrt von der Apostolischen Nuntiatur zum Heldenplatz

8.15 Uhr Abflug mit Hubschrauber vom Heldenplatz nach Mariazell

9.15 Uhr Ankunft auf dem Flugfeld Mariazell

9.25 Uhr Fahrt im 'Papamobil' zur Basilika

9.45 Uhr Ankunft vor der Basilika

10.30 Uhr Heilige Messe aus Anlass des 850-Jahr-Jubiläums der Gründung des Heiligtums von Mariazell auf dem Vorplatz der Basilika (Predigt des Heiligen Vaters)

12.30 Uhr Einzug in die Sakristei der Basilika

13.30 Uhr Mittagessen mit den Mitgliedern der Österreichischen Bischofskonferenz und mit den Kardinälen und Bischöfen des päpstlichen Gefolges im Geistlichen Haus Mariazell

16.40 Uhr Gang zu Fuß vom Geistlichen Haus zur Basilika

16.45 Uhr Marianische Vesper mit Priestern, Ordensleuten, Diakonen und Seminaristen in der Basilika von Mariazell (Ansprache des Heiligen Vaters)

18.00 Uhr Fahrt im 'Papamobil' zum Flugfeld Mariazell

18.20 Uhr Ankunft auf dem Flugfeld

18.30 Uhr Abflug im Hubschrauber nach Wien

19.30 Uhr Ankunft auf dem Heldenplatz und Autofahrt zur Apostolischen Nuntiatur

19.50 Uhr Ankunft in der Apostolischen Nuntiatur

SONNTAG:

9.15 Uhr Autofahrt von der Apostolischen Nuntiatur zum Erzbischöflichen Palais

9.30 Uhr Ankunft im Erzbischöflichen Palais

9.45 Uhr Prozession vom Erzbischöflichen Palais zum Stephansplatz

10.00 Uhr Heilige Messe im Stephansdom (Predigt des Heiligen Vaters)

12.00 Uhr Angelusgebet auf dem Stephansplatz (Worte des Heiligen Vaters)

12.15 Uhr Gang zu Fuß vom Stephansdom ins Erzbischöfliche Palais

14.00 Uhr Autofahrt vom Erzbischöflichen Palais zur Apostolischen Nuntiatur

16.00 Uhr Autofahrt von der Apostolischen Nuntiatur zur Abtei Heiligenkreuz

16.30 Uhr Besuch der Abtei Heiligenkreuz (Ansprache des Heiligen Vaters)

17.00 Uhr Autofahrt von der Abtei Heiligenkreuz zum Wiener Konzerthaus

17.30 Uhr Ankunft im Wiener Konzerthaus. Begegnung mit Ehrenamtlichen/Freiwilligen aus dem sozial-karitativen Bereich (Ansprache des Heiligen Vaters)

18.45 Uhr Autofahrt vom Wiener Konzerthaus zum internationalen Flughafen Wien-Schwechat

19.15 Uhr Ankunft im internationalen Flughafen Wien-Schwechat. Verabschiedungszeremonie im Flughafen (Grußworte des Heiligen Vaters)

19.45 Uhr Abflug vom internationalen Flughafen Wien-Schwechat nach Rom

21.30 Uhr Ankunft auf dem Flughafen Rom-Ciampino
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f.pier
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:20 pm

So AZ, which is a very profitable airline, dedicated one of its airplanes (they have a lot unused) as a private airline to a single person.

I hope the Vatican paid the ticket, but, I donno why, I don't think they paid something....
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Was anybody at Wien airport when he landed ?

Not yet, since there is heavy rain at VIE I was a bit late.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Did B. XVI fly on one of the Alitalia jets

Looking at this pic I would say it is a A321.

http://www.kurier.at/nachrichten/chronik/107631.php

You can check www.news.at were you have a Live-Ticker. Big grin
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting F.pier (Reply 1):
So AZ, which is a very profitable airline, dedicated one of its airplanes (they have a lot unused) as a private airline to a single person.

I hope the Vatican paid the ticket, but, I donno why, I don't think they paid something....

The pope has been flying with AZ for ages so why change it now. I am sure they will not give it to him for free.  Smile
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:39 pm

Thank you very much for your answers with the links!  Smile

I think the press that are allowed on board the flight are paying their good share of the expanses. I am sure whoever is on board must probably pay for their travel. The costs must be split between the news reporters and the Vatican.

I hope the Pope enjoyed his flight.  airplane 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
I hope the Pope enjoyed his flight.

He was smiling when he got out Big grin I can hear it now on the radio and just left the " Kirche am Hof".
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:07 pm

If someone pays, it has to be the Vatican since the pope doesn't get paid anything to do the job. However I don't think anyone charges the pope, since they're getting to provide good and services to the Prince of the Apostles. They may ask to be allowed to take a picture of the pope boarding their jet, which is worth more to them than any ticket price anyway.
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:08 pm

Great job, folks! I appreciated your quick feedback! Thanks!  thumbsup 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:12 pm

Outbound Italy the Pope flies on AZ and outbound of his destination he usually flies the national carrier of the respective country. He is usually sponsored by those airlines, which I think is not a big problem as he is not traveling that much compared to head of states, high-ranking business people and folks alike ...
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:07 pm

Note the caption of the following TWA 727-200 photo. If not mistaken, TWA remains the only US airline to have carried a Pope.


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Also note the "Travel with Angels" section near the beginning of the following page describing travels on TWA by previous Popes on several occasions. On at least one of those trips TWA carried the Pope round trip from Rome to New York, not just on the return journey.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/crewlounge.html
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:11 am

I found out that the pope will leave VIE on a OS A321 from VIE to Rom Ciampino in the late evening.  Smile
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:04 am

I hope the Pontiff will have a good flight back to Rome. I am sure Austrian Airlines cabin crew will take good care of him on the flight.

They serve very tasty hot meals in Economy even on Intra Europe flights. I am sure they will give the Pope and his assessors a real treat.

He is a most decent level pianist and Wolfgang Amadeus is known to be his favourite composer. Maybe he will go home with a stack of Mozart Kugels in his luggage.

The only thing he will miss out on while at the airport is the ex-OS A-345 Wiener Philharmoniker aircraft all painted with cellos, violins, and other instruments. That was a most beautiful aircraft which recently got sold to SwissAir. It would have made a great and most appropriate aircraft to take the musician Pope back to Rome.

Enjoy your flight, Benedikt XVI  airplane 

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 10):
I found out that the pope will leave VIE on a OS A321 from VIE to Rom Ciampino in the late evening. Smile
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
They serve very tasty hot meals in Economy even on Intra Europe flights. I am sure they will give the Pope and his assessors a real treat.

 Smile He will travel business with a whole row removed so that he stretch his legs Big grin . Catering will be provided by DO & CO as there is nobody else anymore at VIE.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
ex-OS A-345 Wiener Philharmoniker

To be precise, it was an 343.  Smile
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:13 am

Surely a heck of a beautiful aircraft!

I was lucky to catch it in full from my seat while taxi-ing (Austrian flight to Munich) just before it was sold to Swiss.

It will make me a very nice souvenir picture of this beauty!

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
To be precise, it was an 343.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:16 am

I watched it many times departing VIE.  Smile A bit sad to see all A332 and A343 going away.
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:34 am

The Pope also flew American Airlines. Can't think of the dates but will look. Some place I have the special menu from the flight.
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:51 am

Austrian Televison shows the pope now at the airport and indeed it is a A321 he will be travelling with.
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:30 am

I hope he will have a good return flght to Rome.

I bet the captain and tech/cabin crews must be proud to have him on board!

Maybe he will have some flight documents signed by his famous ++ passenger!

I certainly would not mind having a Pope Benedikt XVI signed safety card!
It would make quite an original piece of memorabilia.

I wonder if the Pontiff gets a boarding pass just like every other passenger on every flight?
How would he go? By the name Ratzinger or Benedikt XVI?

That would make quite a hit sale on ebay if found and sold by a third party!



[Edited 2007-09-09 20:33:44]
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
21.30 Uhr Ankunft auf dem Flughafen Rom-Ciampino

I always thought the Pope flies out of FCO and not CIA. Does the Pope always leave Rome on a plane from CIA or was this an exception?

Quoting F.pier (Reply 1):
So AZ, which is a very profitable airline, dedicated one of its airplanes (they have a lot unused) as a private airline to a single person.

I hope the Vatican paid the ticket, but, I donno why, I don't think they paid something....

If it serves as consolation, usually the Pope only flies one-way on AZ and then returns on the carrier of the country he visited.  Wink
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:51 am

Off topic, but when SU wanted to bid for AZ, a German newspaper joked about it: wouldn't it be ironic if the Pope flew Aeroflot?  Big grin

And yes, the A321 seems to be the preferred aircraft for continental travel. Apart from AZ and OS, he also flew on it with LH.
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Did B. XVI fly on one of the Alitalia jets or did he take one of the aircrafts from the new Vatican charter airline?

Your question was answered long ago, but here is a close-up picture:
http://es.noticias.yahoo.com/ap/2007...pe-austria-1d9e-97610753d0ec0.html
And by the way, yes the Pope flew from Ciampino.

[Edited 2007-09-09 23:08:58]
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:05 am

It seems as if the pope is back in ROM. At least the A321 from OS is back in VIE.  Smile
 
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:18 am

Pope Benedikt XVI is scheduled to go to Sydney, Australia some time next Summer for the World Youth Day event.

I wonder if they will take him back to Rome on a Qantas A380. Will Qantas have their A380s delivered by then? I think World Youth Day will be about the end of July 2008.

So the way things are going it would be AZ flying him to Australia and QF flying him back. I have no idea if AZ usually does flights to Sydney or not maybe with B-744s? It would be nice if the Pope could fly on a A380.
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:35 am

Well, as far as I know, Pope uses Alitalia from Italy and other carriers on return flight. I think the only expetion was a trip to Cuba when Pope John Paul II flew on Alitalia MD-11 in both directions.
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RE: Pope's Aircraft From Ciampino To Wien Today?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:25 am

For his summer vacations on Italian Alps during 2005 and 2006 he used for the domestic sector Rome-Aosta-Rome the small Italian carrier Air Vallee on Dornier 328Jet.