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legacyins
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Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:40 am

SFO is slowly moving forward to renovating the Old International Terminal. They also appear to be considering the renovation/rebuild of the Piers in Terminal 1.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6827136?source=rss
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:58 am

Glad to hear they have finally decided to move forward with this. I could easily see that entire concourse being an LCC environment given the recent surge in that direction at SFO. Good news!
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:32 am

Will they ever redo the North Terminal (UA) or whatever its called now? I haven't been there for a long while and don't know if it's warrented or not. But since the North Terminal's opening, I have seen the Central/Terminal 1 redone for (this will be the) 2nd time.
Just curious.

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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
Will they ever redo the North Terminal (UA) or whatever its called now?

Even tho it was built in the 70's, for some reason Terminal 3 still looks and feels good IMHO. It is MUCH less claustrophobic than Terminal 1 which has been in need of a refresh for awhile now. I especially dislike the archaic departure / arrival monitors there that are out more often than not.
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:20 am

Just slightly off topic here, but does anybody know which terminal UA's p. s. service to JFK leaves from?
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4):
which terminal UA's p. s. service to JFK leaves from?

Terminal 3 with all other UA Domestic flights.
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4):
Just slightly off topic here, but does anybody know which terminal UA's p. s. service to JFK leaves from?

It's leaving from gate 83 (Terminal 3) in 15 minutes, you better get your butt over there.

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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 1):
Glad to hear they have finally decided to move forward with this. I could easily see that entire concourse being an LCC environment given the recent surge in that direction at SFO. Good news!

Definitely see this happening with it being an LCC terminal. And its about time they do something with it. Why continue to crowd the International terminal with LCCs.
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:46 am

Funny Virgin America could not be reached for comment in the article. Rumor around SFO is they are not doing very well. A VX employee (old friend from another carrier before) said they started strong, but now load factor has dropped to 45%. Just word of mouth though.

Its nice to see SFO moving forward. I have seen drastic changes since I returned in May with T-1. Its actually looking like a modern terminal finally.

I'd like to see the T-2 renovation keep the Customs area untouched, just in case the new international terminal reaches capacity in the future and a Customs hall could be open in T-2, like LAX has in T-2,5,5,etc. It can't be overlooked that with the international expansion that there are hours in the morning where the new international terminal runs low on gates. Add to that QF/CX having planes sitting for hours. What happens when all these new carriers start arriving and they also plan to sit planes, or arrive in the rush hours. I just think it would be a wise move. T-2 will be a whole lot of sq ft for domestic carriers.

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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 3):
I especially dislike the archaic departure / arrival monitors there that are out more often than not.

Terminal 1 now has new flat panel displays for the arrival/departure monitors.
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 3):
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
Will they ever redo the North Terminal (UA) or whatever its called now?

Even tho it was built in the 70's, for some reason Terminal 3 still looks and feels good IMHO.

The North Terminal er I mean Terminal 3 is in great shape. I remember when it opened. I have a small ceramic plaque that celebrated the opening of UA's new terminal that my father gave to me. When was that the late 70s? The selection of shops and restaurants in Terminal 3 are far superior than what was there up until several years ago. I remember when the International Terminal opened with an amazing food court full of respected local restaurants. I would walk over there from T-3 just to visit the new food court. I couldn't get enough dim sums at Fung Lum. Then much to my surprise, they shut down the T-3 rotunda food court (NW side) removing a Peets Coffee (or was it Starbucks?), Noah's Bagels, a so so Asian restaurant and a juice stand if I remember correctly. When they finished construction, all the same great restaurants in the International Terminal opened up counters in the new T-3 food court. I still can't get enough dim sum. And the roast beef sandwiches on sourdough at Boudin Bakery are excellent.

I flew out of the old International Terminal (T-2) once in 1992 while flying FAI-ANC-SEA-SFO-LHR-AMS. That was one of my first trips overseas and to catch a flight out of that terminal was quite a thrill for me. The first time I ever spotted a Chinese carrier was when I saw a CAAC 747-SP parked at T-2 back in the late 70's when my father transferred from UA's EWR station to SFO. There were always tons of exotic Asian airlines parked around the triangular shaped terminal. Plus the ubiquitous PanAm 747's  Wink

Now for some more old SFO nostalgia, Terminal 3 replaced two old terminals that UA operated out of up until the (mid to) late 70's. One included the first terminal designed for jet aircraft. Jetways were set up to access the front and back doors of the DC-8. There was another terminal to the north that included an underground gate area for passengers waiting for UA's DC-8's and 747's to leave for HNL and ITO (Hilo). The gate was full of posters and mementos from Hawaii including a large Menehune doll. When it was time to board the aircraft, you rode an escalator up to the jetway. I was younger than 10 years old back then but I still remember those terminals. I have hunted the web for pictures of the old UA SFO terminals but can't find much. Next time I have a long layover, I plan on visiting the SFO Airport Museum in the International Terminal. I have visited the museum in the past. It is a great place to spend time and the volunteers running the facility are retired airline employees that have worked at SFO for many, many years.
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:40 pm

Quoting Mnik101 (Reply 7):
Why continue to crowd the International terminal with LCCs.

The south side of the International Terminal (pier A) is hardly crowded. The north side (pier G) is crowded only during UA's rush from about 10 am - 1 pm. I noticed on a flight last week that Asiana is now operating from pier A instead of with its Star Alliance partners on pier G.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
Add to that QF/CX having planes sitting for hours.

From what I've seen, QF parks their plane off the gate for several hours, over near the parking garage.
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 11):

Qantas does park the their A/C at A-19 (remote spot). But as the amount of flights increase at the international terminal and more A/C are sitting, it will cause a headache. CX will soon have 2 A/C on the ground. And as said above other carriers will soon start SFO. We could possibly see Qantas towing their A/C to Americans hangar in the future.

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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:18 pm

So, does this necessarily mean that Terminal 2 is slated to become the airport's new low-cost base, home (presumably) to Southwest, Virgin America, AirTran, JetBlue, etc.? Is it still possible that they may put AA into Terminal 2, as I seem to remember was the original plan way back 10+ years ago, or is that now dead?
 
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RE: Update To SFO - Terminal 2

Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
Funny Virgin America could not be reached for comment in the article. Rumor around SFO is they are not doing very well. A VX employee (old friend from another carrier before) said they started strong, but now load factor has dropped to 45%. Just word of mouth though.

Keep in mind the airline has been a bit unorthodox in its advertising, relying on non traditional methods and word of mouth. Once the startup bugs resolve themselves, it would be prime time to utilize more mainstream methods to get the word out on their status, as well as their product differentiation.
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