lesismore
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Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:41 am

I've always wondered why ONT doesn't serve more major destinations.

When I used to live in MI, I was a much more frequent flyer than I am now, and when flying from DTW into ONT, I was limited to my choices of airlines and aircraft.

From DTW for example: on NW - I had to fly through MSP. Why couldn't I just fly straight to ONT? I know NW flies non-stop from DTW to LAX and SNA, why not ONT too?

If I flew on UA - I had to fly through DEN, which wasn't too bad. I know UA serves LAX and SNA non-stop from ORD, why not ONT as well?

AA flies non-stop to ONT from DFW, and not from ORD.

CO flies non-stop to ONT from IAH, but not from EWR.

I think it would be a great if all of the major airlines at least served all of their respective hubs from ONT. Such as UA to ORD and IAD, AA to ORD and MIA, NW to DTW and MEM, US to PIT, CLT, and PHL, CO to EWR, DL flies non-stop to ATL, not sure about CVG though. Wouldn't passengers and carriers both benefit from this? Why is this not the case?

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):
From DTW for example: on NW - I had to fly through MSP. Why couldn't I just fly straight to ONT? I know NW flies non-stop from DTW to LAX and SNA, why not ONT too?

Probably because they already have flights from DTW to LAX and SNA and there wasn't enough demand out of ONT to warrant opening another route -- after all when planning a trip out of LAX, why would you choose, say, one flight a day out of ONT vs 5 or 6 or however many out of LAX?

As an aside, I thought NW had discontinued all flying into/out of ONT with the exception of code shares on other people's metal.

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:48 am

I also suspect that the airlines aren't very interested in competing with Southwest, and are content to give ONT to them.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:01 am

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):
I've always wondered why ONT doesn't serve more major destinations.

The subject of Ontario and its importance and place in the LA metro area has been discussed a lot. If you do a search, you will find quite a few discussions. It's not up there with "NW DC-9s" or "Airbus vs Boeing" (listed here simply alphabetically  Wink ), but it comes up often.

The only thing I will add to what Lincoln and Jimbobjoe said (where do these names come from!?  Wink ) is the "population vs existing service" situation. ONT is certainly the airport of the future for the LA-area -- it's just a matter of how soon the future arrives.

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):
As an aside, I thought NW had discontinued all flying into/out of ONT with the exception of code shares on other people's metal.

Correct. No NW metal from anywhere to ONT any more. (Which might reinforce what we are saying re: ONT service.)

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):
Probably because they already have flights from DTW to LAX and SNA and there wasn't enough demand out of ONT to warrant opening another route -- after all when planning a trip out of LAX, why would you choose, say, one flight a day out of ONT vs 5 or 6 or however many out of LAX?

ONT and the surrounding Inland Empire is becoming a major city in its own right - I think it's the the fastest growing metropolitan area in the US (or certainly in the top five).

ONT will be a major airport in the future. Not for passengers who would have flown to LAX (for which it isn't a great alternative), but for passengers who are travelling to the Inland Empire.

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:26 am

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:39 am

ATA introduced ONT-MDW nonstop. My girlfriend's family lives in Corona (Inland Empire) and we live in SW Michigan, so its the most convenient nonstop from CHI. Its once daily and a redeye eastbound (which is great, i love redeyes) and then turns around and leaves MDW to ONT at like 715am, which is too early. maybe they will go double daily in the future. It was cheap too, started at like $79 each way plus tax.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting Targowski (Reply 7):
ATA introduced ONT-MDW nonstop. My girlfriend's family lives in Corona (Inland Empire) and we live in SW Michigan, so its the most convenient nonstop from CHI. Its once daily and a redeye eastbound (which is great, i love redeyes) and then turns around and leaves MDW to ONT at like 715am, which is too early. maybe they will go double daily in the future. It was cheap too, started at like $79 each way plus tax.

Actually, they're bringing it down to Mon/Wed/Sat/Sun service as the summer travel season winds down. It'll probably be back to daily by winter though, but for the next month or two it'll be a few less days.

The turn from MDW is essential because the outbound from ONT is later that day, and the same plane continues. Also, there is the issue of gate space for TZ in MDW, as they already had to push back the early flight from LGA-MDW to ensure all the aircraft had gates. Keep in mind too that the OAK-MDW redeye arrives/departs back to OAK around the same time.

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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):
I think it would be a great if all of the major airlines at least served all of their respective hubs from ONT.

I do too, but i doubt it will happen soon. Eventually because LAX is overcrowded it will have to happen, but unfortunately nit soon enough. We get stuck with the world of god awful connections to get to ONT. ONT being a much better option than LAX for Inland empire travelers, who want to avoid the worlds longest parking lot.
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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
ONT will be a major airport in the future. Not for passengers who would have flown to LAX (for which it isn't a great alternative), but for passengers who are travelling to the Inland Empire.

Your right on with that. I live in Corona, only 25 minutes from ONT and the expansion will eventually happen. I personally hope UA will take advantage at ONT and start nonstop ORD service as it is greatly needed! Everytime I fly from ONT to DEN or DFW there are always tons of people connecting to Chicago.

There was talk going on about adding train service to ONT from cities around the Inland Empire and Orange County but since houses now cover every inch of land in this area there just isn't the space. If that would have been put in I gurantee that ONT would of gotten a lot more service. But all the greedy developer's took all the land for some ugly houses that are all getting foreclosed now...  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):
I know NW flies non-stop from DTW to LAX and SNA, why not ONT too?

NW doesn't fly DTW-SNA

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):
I know UA serves LAX and SNA non-stop from ORD, why not ONT as well?

LAX-ORD is one of the busiest routes in the world and United has hubs at both ends. SNA pulls in much higher yielding traffic than ONT. That is why.

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):

AA flies non-stop to ONT from DFW, and not from ORD.

If United can't make it work, American can't either. DFW is their mega fortress, which means ONT makes sense.

Quoting Lesismore (Thread starter):

CO flies non-stop to ONT from IAH, but not from EWR.

See AA at DFW and add that CO's main domestic hub is IAH, while EWR is for international connections, which are not nearly as important for ONT

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):

As an aside, I thought NW had discontinued all flying into/out of ONT with the exception of code shares on other people's metal.

Correct

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):

ONT and the surrounding Inland Empire is becoming a major city in its own right - I think it's the the fastest growing metropolitan area in the US (or certainly in the top five).

The Inland Empire, no matter how many people have moved there, is still absolutely dependent on Los Angeles as its economic hub. Bedroom communities don't support higher yielding business traffic.

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
but for passengers who are travelling to the Inland Empire.

Which is going to be VFR and leisure, not business traffic.

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 9):
Eventually because LAX is overcrowded it will have to happen,

LAX isn't overcrowded, at least not when it comes to field capacity.

Quoting FlyONT (Reply 10):
But all the greedy developer's took all the land for some ugly houses that are all getting foreclosed now... Yeah sure

Or that are just not selling.
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RE: Why Doesn't ONT Serve More Major Cities

Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:35 am

Thanks everyone for the posts, it sure sheds light on my inquiry.
The reason I said that NWA flew MSP - ONT was because I flew that route many times when I lived in MI, but since I moved back to CA in 2004, I haven't. I had no idea that it was cancelled - thanks for the update!
Also, there has been some talk here in SoCal about Ontario expanding.
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