super80
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Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:31 am

Hey guys, I remember DL Connection used to fly in and out DAL along with CO a few years back (after sept 11 2001 as i remember). Where did DL connection fly from DAL?
Why did they leave DAL ? Was it before or after the closure of DFW Hub ???

Thanks
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:37 am

ATL, I believe it was 3x daliy with CRJs. They left DAL well before the closure of the DFW hub. They used the Legend terminal at DAL while Legend was in service, then moved over to the main terminal.
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
ATL, I believe it was 3x daliy with CRJs

You sure of that? Wouldn't the Wright Amendment nix a DAL-ATL journey?
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jbmitt
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:48 am

The WA is only for flights operated by aircraft with more than 56 seats, a CRJ falls under that level and is exempted from it and can transit wherever. Aircraft with more than 56 seats are allowed to operate within the designated surrounding states.
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:53 am

3 Daily ATL. That wast bad at all. What year did they pull out ? Was the load bad so they cut the route ?

I would think since Dallas had (still have a lot) of Skymile members, DAL-ATL is not a bad route. Could DL connection fly DAL - ATL again if they want?
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 3):
The WA is only for flights operated by aircraft with more than 56 seats

Thanks, I had totally forgotten that fact! Didn't Legend have their 9's configured with the 56 seats?
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boslax
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:07 am

Delta Connection/ASA served the DAL-ATL market from July 2000 - May 2003, using 50 seat CRJ's. The initial service pattern consisted of 6 daily roundtrips and was eventually dropped down to 3 roundtrips. Average load factor for the entire service period was 57%.
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting Super80 (Thread starter):
Why did they leave DAL ?

Because they didn't want to get it confused with their ICAO identifier...  Silly
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
Didn't Legend have their 9's configured with the 56 seats?

 yes  Didn't AA also outfit some of their F-100's with 56 seats to compete?
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting BOSLAX (Reply 6):
Delta Connection/ASA served the DAL-ATL market from July 2000 - May 2003, using 50 seat CRJ's. The initial service pattern consisted of 6 daily roundtrips and was eventually dropped down to 3 roundtrips. Average load factor for the entire service period was 57%.

When I was going through my classroom training for ramp @ EV back in June of '00, there was a guy in the class who was going to be working @ DAL (The first 3 days of training included folks from other stations in addition to ATL).

As I can best recall, early on the ATL-DAL-ATL did quite well. But most of time, the last DAL-ATL inbound had fairly light loads because the number of connection possibility at that time of the evening for East Coast locations wasn't that big. SWF and HPN were two other cities where the last inbound from those cities typically had light loads.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
Didn't AA also outfit some of their F-100's with 56 seats to compete?

That is correct. In some ways (especially in retrospect), it was a foolish move on their part, as Legend had already blown through most of their startup capital fighting the lawsuits and having to build their own terminal. If AA would have just ignored LC and not started competing service, LC would have probably folded as the result of 9/11. AA and the City of Ft. Worth had already done critical damage with the long drawn out lawsuits, so it really was only a matter of time before Legend would have folded irregardless of AA.
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:08 pm

Ill ask a question now that could potentially start a whole new thread:

What other routes did AA operate the 56 seat F100s on after the DAL operation?

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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting OBSMGR (Reply 10):
Ill ask a question now that could potentially start a whole new thread:

What other routes did AA operate the 56 seat F100s on after the DAL operation?

Legend operated to IAD, LAX, LAS, and, their last destination, LGA. I don't remember if they flew to ORD or not.

AA operated DAL-LGA/LAX/ORD.

Sked:
DAL-LAX
0930-1048 x7
1105-1224
1945-2104
2125-2249 x6

DAL-LGA
0645-1113 x7
1330-1805
1705-1934 x6

DAL-ORD
0600-0819 x7
1210-1424
1515-1733
1755-2010 x6

ORD-DAL
0640-0857 x7
0855-1126
1500-1722
1815-2036 x6

LGA-DAL
0730-1020 x7
1150-1445
1840-2142 x6

LAX-DAL
0115-0610 x7
0725-1229 x7
1120-1628
1350-1857

CO ExpressJet also used to operate DAL-CLE nonstop in addition to the IAH nonstops. AA and CO operated out of the east side gates, DL operated out of the Legend terminal first then the middle concourse in the main terminal. AA and CO predominantly take off and land on the east side of the airport, 13L/31R, while WN normally requests the west side, 13R/31L.

Hope that helps!

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OBSMGR
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 11):
AA operated DAL-LGA/LAX/ORD

(I was in another region while at AA around this time, but...)

I seem to remember these aircraft served some other routes for a
short time after the DAL operation was shut down. I certainly cant
swear to it, but I want to say the 56 seat F100s did ORD-XNA and
LGA-XNA very briefly- possibly some other routes.
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
Didn't AA also outfit some of their F-100's with 56 seats to compete?

One of the AA F100s with the 56-seat configuration:


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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting OBSMGR (Reply 12):
I seem to remember these aircraft served some other routes for a
short time after the DAL operation was shut down. I certainly cant
swear to it, but I want to say the 56 seat F100s did ORD-XNA and
LGA-XNA very briefly- possibly some other routes.

No, the premium DAL F100s never flew anywhere outside of the DAL schedule pattern in regular service. September 11 happened, September 12 the entire DAL station was shut down, and those planes were immediately parked. In the months following, they were all gradually reconfigured back into the standard AA FY configuration and put back into the system, only to be removed again around 2003-2005 when AA started drawing down the F100 fleet.
 
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RE: Where Did DL Connection Fly From DAL?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:43 pm

I actually had the pleasure of flying in to/out of the Legend terminal on ATL-DAL-ATL. Wow, talk about an impressive terminal. Now no one occupies the terminal aside from a limousine company that uses the offices and the giant garage.
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