YYZRTW
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Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:23 am

I was just checking Flight Aware and noticed that on September 5th, Air Canada 01 to Narita was listed as landing in Kansai Int. Is this a normal diversion if there are problems at Narita? I am not familiar with the options on Trans-Pacific flights.
Any information will further my ongoing aviation education.
Thanks in advance.
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rfields5421
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:32 am

I would assume Kansai would be an approriate alternate - or New Chitose.

While there are a few other international capable airports in Japan, Kansai would be a good choice able to handle jumbo's, customs and immigration, etc - much better than a smaller airport.

Does ACA have a regular flight to Kansai and staff at that airport?

And one other option to consider - Flight Aware is not a very reliable source of information about flight details - especially those which are outside the US system - which definitely includes Japan.
 
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:05 am

I checked the Kansai website and Air Canada is in their list but there are no sheduled flights in their system.

It just stuck out in the Flight Aware listing for the last 4 months as the only exception to Flight 01 arriving in Narita.
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:15 am

Haha... nice. But KIX is not actually in Osaka , its only close to Osaka... its about half hour by train. Did they fly them back to NRT , or did they make them take a train to ShinOsaka / Kyoto to get shinkansen to Tokyo? Getting from NRT to where you have to be Tokyo is difficult enough as it is.

That would be a fun surprise for someone who was going to Japan for the first time.
 
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:59 am

Didn't Japan have a typhoon this week?
 
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:05 am

Yes AC has flights to KIX. Not sure from YYZ but they do have flights from YVR. I would say this would be a great place for AC to send a flight, as they have their own staffing there, unless if its contracted but nonetheless deal with flights on a regular basis.
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:11 am

Bingo - give the man a kewpie doll !!!!

Sept 5 US departure - Sept 6 Japan 1030 UTC - 1800 UTC a typhoon was coming ashore on Sagami Bay and crossed the western side of the Kanto Plain.

Satellite photos show heavy clouds and rain up the east side of Tokyo Wan to the area of Narita - which is about a 45-60 minute train ride from downtown Tokyo.

There are clouds and rain near Osaka, but they are on the downside of the storm and would have been broken up a bit by the mountains.

Haneda had 64 knot wind gusts, Narita 59 knots and six to eight inches of rain in the area.
 
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:11 am

Quoting YYZRTW (Reply 2):
I checked the Kansai website and Air Canada is in their list but there are no sheduled flights in their system.

AC has been operating a daily nonstop YVR-KIX for several years using the 767-300ER. It is shown in the KIX website schedules.
 
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:15 am

AC35/36 operates YVR/KIX/YVR. If there was a diversion, KIX would be the preferred airport as there is an AC Manager and staff at that airport. AC001/05 Sep shows a non-stop routing YYZ/NRT/YYZ - no signs of an actual landing at KIX.

Having said that, had a mechanical diversion several years ago at Sapporo-New Chitose Airport. That was an interesting one. Star A staff ANA came through with flying colours for us.
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:10 pm

AC001 diverted to KIX due to typhoon approaching NRT. The decision was made to operate to KIX prior to departure from YYZ based on forecast at original destination rather than cancel the flight completely.
 
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:45 pm

Yes AC has regular flights to KIX from YVR. AC is ground handled at KIX by their STAR Alliance partner ANA.

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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:33 am

They could have landed in CTS but the typhoon would eventually head to CTS after it hit NRT. KIX was the correct choice. If they had that flight (AC10/9) YVR-NGO, they would have tried landing at NGO. They did have KIX-YYZ I think when the airport opened up, but was it dropped after 9-11 or way before that? I think Canadian had the rights flying YVR-NRT and any other NRT flights so AC chose KIX, but I am not sure when KIX-YYZ ceased to exist.
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:39 am

AC001/05Sept was planned to operate via KIX due to Typhoon Fitow but operated non-stop YYZ-NRT
departing YYZ 1332 local and arriving NRT 1553 local.
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RE: Air Canada Ft. 01 Diversion To Kansai

Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Jetset (Reply 12):
AC001/05Sept was planned to operate via KIX due to Typhoon Fitow but operated non-stop YYZ-NRT
departing YYZ 1332 local and arriving NRT 1553 local

OK, makes sense. There were a lot of flights that left NRT earlier than their scheduled time on that day (happy for pax) due to the typhoon hitting the region over-night. I see that the AF twilight flight left about 1 hour earlier than scheduled. I also think the YVR-NRT flight landed in NRT a bit earlier than scheduled and left on time.

Speaking of which, don't they usually do an aircraft swap at NRT between the YYZ and YVR flights? But I don't know since one is an A340 and the other is a B777 now. But the YVR flight arrives at around 3 pm and leaves at 7 pm. Isn't that quite a long time on the ground in such an expensive airport? Or it doesn't matter since YYZ is super expensive as well.
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