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Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:13 am

With the A380 looming on the horizon as a major player in the airline business, how will the various arilines and private owners find qualified pilots?
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:22 am

There is an article on this subject in the September issue of Singapore Airlines Kris Flyer Magazine. Title of the article is "Back to (flying) school".

They are telling how the SIA pilots are being trained to fly on the A380 both on simulators and real life situation to sectors in Europe, in the cockpit. The account is done by Capt. Gerard Rene Peacock, who is SIA's A380 Project Pilot. Seven pilots already completed their training then it says that 4 more batches of 8 pilots have also completed their training.
There will be an A380 simulator in Singapore starting September.

This is all coming from Kris Flyer Magazine. I have no link and no scanner to scan the page.

[Edited 2007-09-09 18:23:46]
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting Tarheel (Thread starter):
With the A380 looming on the horizon as a major player in the airline business, how will the various arilines and private owners find qualified pilots?

Just where any other pilots are found??? Sorry but I do not see your point.  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:56 am

Well, given the cockpit commonality across the whole Airbus FBW aircraft line-up, the recipe would be:
1. Grab some senior A330/A340 pilots
2. Put them to the A380 simulator for the necessary time
3. Enjoy

Or I'm too naive and the recipe would be entirely different?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:57 am

Well I think, what he means....
Most of the pilots will probably transfer from A330s and A340s, which will be the easiest. I guess, airlines operating no/not only A340/A330s will also tranfer crew from their 777 and 747 fleet.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:42 am

Airlines will get them from the most senior pilots that bid for it from other equipment (other Airbus/Boeing equipment).
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting DualQual (Reply 5):
Airlines will get them from the most senior pilots that bid for it from other equipment (other Airbus/Boeing equipment).

Which then means that all the other pilots will move up the list a bit meaning there will be some openings at the bottom for me when I'm qualified ha ha !!.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3):
Put them to the A380 simulator

Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:53 am

Why only " senior" pilots? We need F/O´s too!  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
Which then means that all the other pilots will move up the list a bit meaning there will be some openings at the bottom for me when I'm qualified ha ha !!.

It's not always like that. If you're not increasing the number of pilot positions then there's no vacancy to move up to. At SQ for example, the A380 is replacing some 744's so they'll just move the 744 pilots to A380, hence the recent disagreement in the pay scale for the A380.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

I'd expect them to collect flight data necessary for the sim programming during the certification tests fligths (and all other flights in Airbus livery)
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 10):
I'd expect them to collect flight data necessary for the sim programming during the certification tests fligths (and all other flights in Airbus livery)

You didn't read my post.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

They designed the plane so one whould expect them to know under what parameters the plane must fly  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:29 am

I was trying to open the discussion to areas like: does every buyer of an A380 need to have a simulator? does the billionaire buying for his personal use trust a pilot with only simulator training and no lengthy experience in a brand new product?
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:30 am

They will come from existing pilot pools by way of flight simulators, just like for the 787 and all other new types before the A380.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 11):
You didn't read my post.

I rather didn't expect such question. Especially from you.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Tarheel (Reply 13):
does the billionaire buying for his personal use trust a pilot with only simulator training and no lengthy experience in a brand new product?

That is true, but due to the comments pilots who flew the A380 is probably a number easier to fly than a 767. Size isn't everything. The fact that you start flying an A320 or 737 at an airline isn't due to the fact, that it easier to fly but a matter of responsiblity due to the pure number of passengers. Size isn't always everything.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:24 am

Quoting Tarheel (Reply 13):
does the billionaire buying for his personal use trust a pilot with only simulator training and no lengthy experience in a brand new product?

Well that's what EVERYBODY has to do when the airplane is new. Normally the first time a pilot flys the real aircraft, it's on a revenue flight with people in the back with a Line Check Airman next to them.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

They program the airplane to fly like the simulator!
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting Tarheel (Thread starter):
With the A380 looming on the horizon as a major player in the airline business, how will the various arilines and private owners find qualified pilots?

The same way all other pilots are found...simulators, instructors, ground school, etc...

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

It's called a first flight for a reason.

First flights are flown by test pilots for a reason also.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

The engineers program the simulator to respond to what the airplane is designed to do. Everything is factored in: engine power, anticipated flight performance, flight control characteristics, etc. You factor in all the knowns and can get a very realistic simulation of what the final product will do. With computer assisted design, you can virtually know what the real airplane will do before it even flies.

I recall seeing a video about the YF-23 and it was computer simulation that helped the engineers design a flight control system that would work on the airplane. The project test pilot did the simulator flying and crashed several times, as I recall, before the engineers got it right. I suspect Boeing has at least one flight simulator for the 787 already and probably had simulators for the first 777 pilots as well.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):

Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

Chuckle...

The simulator is programed to "fly" as the airframe is anticipated to fly. But you do know there is such a thing as test pilots? Everyone does realize a test pilot does not graduate "test pilot school" until they can jump in the cockpit of an unknown aircraft type and prove that they can fly it. Not to mention the first flights are done "unloaded" and thus there is more margin to abort (landing or takeoff).

Now is the poster referring to the overall shortage of pilots that is anticipated? If so, I'm not expecting an airline taking on A380's to have an issue grabbing pilots. Business jet pilots would be more than happy enough to jump to the right seat of an A320. A320 pilots certainly won't turn down a pay raise to fly the A330/340 (whom are the most likely picks for the A380).

The airlines to hurt for pilots will not be those that pay well. It will be those whom choose not to compete at competitive wages for those pilots in the 2,500 to 4,000 hour range. Let's face it. Once a pilot is "locked into" a seniority scale, they are pretty much stuck.

Its a problem that the market will naturally correct. e.g., perhaps EK will need to boost salaries to grow at their planned rate. Ok... They'll boost salaries and other airlines can choose to match or not. If salaries rise enough, the pilot schools will fill up very quickly. (There will always be more people dreaming of being a pilot than can financially achieve the goal.)

We're hearing some pain from the regional carriers. But part of that is due to their abysmally low salaries forced unto them by their contracts. We're also hearing about pilot schools losing instructions. Cest la vie. This is how it should go. If the pain ever leaves pilot schools/regionals/corporate jets I would be very surprised.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:28 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 21):
If the pain ever leaves pilot schools/regionals/corporate jets I would be very surprised.

A little off topic but...tell me, what pain is there in corporate jets?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 21):
We're hearing some pain from the regional carriers. But part of that is due to their abysmally low salaries forced unto them by their contracts. We're also hearing about pilot schools losing instructions. Cest la vie. This is how it should go. If the pain ever leaves pilot schools/regionals/corporate jets I would be very surprised.

There's such a shortage of pilots in the World that sooner or later commercial airlines will have no choice but to offer more.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Tarheel (Thread starter):
With the A380 looming on the horizon as a major player in the airline business, how will the various arilines and private owners find qualified pilots?



Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

Sorry, I'm not trying to funny in the slightest, but what's the object of these? Where do pilots (and simulators from their conceptions) from every aircraft that have ever flown come from, so I really fail to see why anyone would be asking any different concerning the A380?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 16):
The fact that you start flying an A320 or 737 at an airline isn't due to the fact, that it easier to fly but a matter of responsiblity due to the pure number of passengers.

I have been lead to believe, based on other posts on this board, that this is a point presented to justify pilot pay based on the size of the airplane, which is illogical. (Do you have to start off as a taxi driver to become a bus driver? Does a subway train conductor make more than a freight train conductor?)

As I've understood it, pay based on airplane size is an accident of history. One which doesn't serve pilots all that well--many pilots would rather have preference over schedule than aircraft. Sure a 777 pilot may make better money than a 737 pilot, but the latter may have a lot more flexibility schedule wise.

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

I've always wondered that too...I understand the basic idea that they can use computers to figure out how the airframe would behave under a variety of situations and then program the simulator to imitate that, but I've been given the impression that even old simulators were quite advanced. For instance, after AA 191, they were able to simulate accurately what was a complex and unimaginable airframe failure.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:21 am

At my airline they are presently getting Airbus time on the A330 before the A380 arrives. Positions will then be allocated on seniority. The delays in delivery have caused major headaches for this process, worsened further by the removal of four A330-200s from the fleet. Promotional positions have already been allocated in one of the largest allocations ever seen by the airline. To allow junior crew members to move up new recruits are being employed as we speak.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 22):
tell me, what pain is there in corporate jets?

Pilot defections to higher paying positions. I didn't mean to imply anything else, so mea culpa on my poor wording.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 23):
NetJets is on a hiring spree, they plan to hire 350 pilots this year alone, and they'll do just about anything to get new pilots including sponsoring your commercial pilot license.

Wow. That is one way to ensure a pilot pool. NetJets has it a little easier than the competition due to the 737 BBJ's.  spin  But that is one way to stuff the pipeline.

Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 25):
As I've understood it, pay based on airplane size is an accident of history.

It is an interesting application of Karl Marx's value of labor in capitalist societies. Just as a carpenter who could do twice the "socially necessary" labor and build a home in half the time should be paid twice as much, a pilot who flies twice as many people gets paid more per Marx's theories.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:00 am

I would think Airlines like SQ and QF would chose some of there more senior 747 400 pilots.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3):
1. Grab some senior A330/A340 pilots
2. Put them to the A380 simulator for the necessary time
3. Enjoy

If that doesn't work, perhaps a stork might deliver some.  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 27):
It is an interesting application of Karl Marx's value of labor in capitalist societies.

Actually, it's a marxist construct forced upon capitalist markets by socialist unions. It would not exist if not for the unions, as pilots would be paid what the market would bear.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:55 pm

Is there that much difference in flying a 340 vs a 380? Isn't a a landing gear control a stick with a little wheel at the end of it that is pulled up or down? Isn't three green lights simply that three green lights? What is the difference between flying a 777 and a 737 aside from passenger size and corresponding risk/responsibility?
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:09 pm

Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Well, when a man and a woman love each other, they decide to get together and show their affection. A man puts his........just kidding, I could not resist. I have yet to read any of the posts, but wouldn't an airline use seniority as a way for promoting pilots to the 380? Makes sense to me....
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:28 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
Actually, it's a marxist construct forced upon capitalist markets by socialist unions. It would not exist if not for the unions, as pilots would be paid what the market would bear.

And pilots would stay in the air for at least 20 hours a day, 7 days a week  Wink

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:34 pm

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 4):
I guess, airlines operating no/not only A340/A330s will also tranfer crew from their 777 and 747 fleet.

As a mere matter of interest, Is the 380 being offered with either the "joystick" or the "control column" option?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 34):
As a mere matter of interest, Is the 380 being offered with either the "joystick" or the "control column" option?

As far as I know there has been no 'control column' option on any Airbus since the A310.

Also as far as I know, Qantas only operates 10 X Airbuses at the present time (all A330s) out of a total fleet of about 100; all the rest being Boeings. So a whole lot of their pilots are going to need 'from the ground up' training on the different Airbus control approach.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:09 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 29):
If that doesn't work, perhaps a stork might deliver some.

Now that would be a hell of a stork. Or perhaps a "Whalestork", genetically modified by Airbus? Big grin
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?



Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 25):
I understand the basic idea that they can use computers to figure out how the airframe would behave under a variety of situations and then program the simulator to imitate that, but I've been given the impression that even old simulators were quite advanced. For instance, after AA 191, they were able to simulate accurately what was a complex and unimaginable airframe failure.

In addition to all of the above re: computer modeling, don't forget that any new commercial aircraft has hundreds or thousands of hours of wind-tunnel time. Gross response to control surface inputs is pretty well known long before the beast takes to the air. What you learn, aerodynamically, from flight testing is the stuff that you can't simulate well in the wind-tunnel...scaling effects and flutter.

Quoting Tarheel (Reply 13):
does every buyer of an A380 need to have a simulator?

No. Airbus and Boeing, as well as several third parties, offer training on their models including full-motion simulators. If your fleet isn't large enough to justify your own simulator, you just pay for time at one of the training facilities.

Quoting Hamster (Reply 31):
Is there that much difference in flying a 340 vs a 380? Isn't a a landing gear control a stick with a little wheel at the end of it that is pulled up or down? Isn't three green lights simply that three green lights? What is the difference between flying a 777 and a 737 aside from passenger size and corresponding risk/responsibility?

A340 vs. A380 should be pretty similar. 737 vs. 777 is considerably different due to one having EICAS and one not.

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 34):
As a mere matter of interest, Is the 380 being offered with either the "joystick" or the "control column" option?

Sidestick only.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 25):
As I've understood it, pay based on airplane size is an accident of history.

Well, since usually larger airplane fly longer routes with more jet-lag, more time away from home for the pilots, i think this scheme totally makes sense. Now, true that these long-haul pilots make less take-offs, taxiings and landings (the most dangerous parts of the flight), so the scheme might as well not work !
Now, getting more money by flying a 747 over a 340 is a little more obscure, but i think it's usually also A LITTLE more money only...
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 16):
The fact that you start flying an A320 or 737 at an airline isn't due to the fact, that it easier to fly but a matter of responsiblity due to the pure number of passengers.

That's cute. No. it really has nothing to do responsibility and the number of pax, and everything to do with seniority and which type pays more. At most airlines, the bigger the type, the bigger the pay check and therefore the more senior guys will gravitate that way. But that's not always the case. I realize they're "only boxes" but UPS pays a fixed Captain pay based on years of seniority not on type. A 747 Capt makes the same as a 727 Capt. Because of this, some of the more senior guys are in fact on the 727 simply because it suits they're life style better - and the 747 has ended up being flown by brand new Captains.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 39):
No. it really has nothing to do responsibility and the number of pax, and everything to do with seniority and which type pays more. At most airlines, the bigger the type, the bigger the pay check and therefore the more senior guys will gravitate that way. But that's not always the case.

If airlines would really only want to let pilots credit from their "seniority" they would just would pay them more and let everybody choose what type they want to fly from the beginning. And by letting more senior captains on the big birds implies that airlines prefer letting more experienced pilots fly the widebodies as they seem "fitter" to handle the increased responsibility.
I know that this argument is also often used by pilots demanding better pay... just as it was recently with 747 pilots upgrading to A380s in the future. (If I remember correctly it was at SQ)

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Maersk737 (Reply 33):
And pilots would stay in the air for at least 20 hours a day, 7 days a week

No, they wouldn't. Increased pay for larger aircraft has nothing to do with flight time per month. The former is not safety related. Unions do great things when they help enact safety standards for the industry. But it's when they achieve that, and then force more rules on the industry that the value diminishes. A 30 year F/A is not worth more than a 5 year F/A, and a pilot flying a 772 to LHR from JFK is not inherently doing anything different than one flying an A380 to LHR.
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 40):
let everybody choose what type they want to fly from the beginning.

Problem is, if pilot A and B want to fly the same plane, but there is only one spot left, who gets it?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 41):
A 30 year F/A is not worth more than a 5 year F/A,

I really hope so  Wink And I think you would too Big grin

Jokes a side. I know what you are saying, but actually...How can you say this? He could be worth 10 times more.

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Which begs another question... how did Airbus program the simulator to train the pilots who flew the first one? How do you program a sim for a plane that has never flown?

Computers can simulate the entire flight envelope of an aircraft. Airbus knew exactly how the aircraft would perform even before it took to the air for the first time. That said, I am sure that the initial flight tests fed more information to augment the flight data complpied through design.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:19 am

I hear they are recruiting A380 pilots who have extensive FS2004 experience. Although, you need the rudder pedals and a realistic paint scheme on your A380 model for them to consider you.
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 42):
Problem is, if pilot A and B want to fly the same plane, but there is only one spot left, who gets it?

Well, then put it differently. Airline X does need a pilot for a 747. It can put a captain already flying a 737 in the 747 but also has the possibility of putting a new pilot, (who they probably also paid the license for) in it. Why then don't the just put the new guy in the 747 but the other one, who hast thousands of hours on the 737 and is well expienced on this type and also doesn't have any experience on the 747 (but of course more hours on any aircraft than the new pilot).

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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:19 am

Wasn't the A380 designed just to fly like an A330/340, which flies like any A320. While for Boeings you need 737Classic, 737NG, 757=767, 744, 777 and now 787 different ratings, basically any A320 pilot can fly any bigger one.

I read that with an A320 type rating one day in the simulator is sufficient for the A330/340 type rating - which makes crew planning for small airlines with 8 A320 and 4 A330 so much easier. So A380 pilots will mainly come from A330/340 or from A320. Or is that just propaganda?
 
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 46):
Well, then put it differently. Airline X does need a pilot for a 747. It can put a captain already flying a 737 in the 747 but also has the possibility of putting a new pilot, (who they probably also paid the license for) in it. Why then don't the just put the new guy in the 747 but the other one, who hast thousands of hours on the 737 and is well expienced on this type and also doesn't have any experience on the 747 (but of course more hours on any aircraft than the new pilot).

My point exactly?
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RE: Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:30 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 47):
Or is that just propaganda?

Propaganda, it's more than 2 days to go from the A32X to the A330/340
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