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Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:00 am

Man, am I ever taking a liking to the 727 lately! I've always liked it despite never having flown in one, but now that they're getting "classic" it's that much more of a treat to see them. Just early this morning while passing by YYZ I saw an AA 727 doing a very long T.O. run on 6R, and it was a very graceful sight to behold, as it lifted off slowly, very heavy evidently, with that characteristic smoky, crackly rumble!   And now just this evening another one took off, also flying low and flat but VERY fast...  

Long live the 727!
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 11:55 am

Well i'll have to totally agree with ya. I see the new Pan Am's 727's and every time i see them witht he White scheme and the winglets. It is truely a site to see especially after a rainshower when the contrails are spiriling of the flaps. It is a marvelous sight. I'd have to say the 727 is my fav plane. The Piper Tri Pacer close behind.
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:10 pm

I am enjoying them more and more too. They are graceful and--almost elegant. They were designed to do what they did, and they did (and are doing) it quite well.


ps-US521, a 727 with winglets? Boy have I been out of the loop.

RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:25 pm

I'll bet that the soda can I'm drinking out of right now once was a tri-jet Boeing!!!
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:33 pm

You can recognize a 727 by the extraordinary roar of its engines. I've spotted at SFO and watched numerous 727s taking off. Any plane's noise, even a 747's roar, pales in comparison to the blast from the good old 727!
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:51 pm

I see a lot of them here at COS (UAL planes) and have flown on them plenty with TWA.

Very nice, very fast (once they get in the air). Took a while to get to like them but it's now a love affair.
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 3:51 pm

Stop it guys, you're making me cry  


RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:33 pm

Last night me and my wife were at ALB for a while watching aircraft taking off and landing when we saw a Delta 727 taxiing and right behind it was a UPS RR RB211 powered 757. The tower told the Delta jet to move over so that the UPS jet can takeoff first. That aircraft on it's takeoff run only used half of the runway when it lifted it's nose. That was amazing that this aircraft can use only half of the runway while the other aircraft like the 727, 737, DC-9/MD-80, & F100s take the entire runway before lifting off. When it came time for the Delta 727 to takeoff that plane was so loud even though it had hush kits. It had a slow takeoff run and lifted it's nose almost at the end of the runway.
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:16 pm

Back in the day before hushkits limited how much power can be used, I'm sure the 727 was able to takeoff at that "half a runway" point too. I was always under the impression that the 727, in its early form (without hushkits, etc), was also overpowered (like the 757), and one of the fastest subsonic jets around.

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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:35 pm

One of the best airliners ever built. Good to fly with,and treat to watch it. There are still eight of them in JAT and three in Aviogenex, and I hope they will be used for few more years.
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Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:16 pm

Yes, many 727s, especially cargo carriers and charters, have winglets to increase fuel efficiency. It's a sight to behold.
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Sat Aug 19, 2000 12:12 am

I have a question for all you 727 fans (pun not intended   ).

A few years ago, when 727-200's took off from Runway 1R at SFO, the roar of the three engines was totally deafening, to say the least! I've noticed that the Delta and Sun Country 727-200's that take off from that same runway nowadays aren't so noisy anymore. Has there been a rush to hush-kit the JT8D engines on thoses planes lately?

RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:36 am

In an issue of the magazine AIRWAYS, I believe either the MAY, JUN or JUL 2000 issue, there is a good article on the new Pan Am based at the former Pease AFB, NH with their hushkitted 727-200s equipped with winglets.
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RE: Oh, Those 727's! - Ray

Sat Aug 19, 2000 2:00 am

Ray, you could probably say there was a rush, since aircraft had to meet Stage 3 Noise regulations by the end of 1999. So many airlines either retired their non-compliant aircraft or hushkitted them.

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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Sat Aug 19, 2000 2:03 am


On December 31st 1999 was the last day in the US that airlines could fly non-Stage III (noise restriction)complaint aircraft.

To comply with regulations, Aircraft such as the 727 or 737-200 could either:

1. Get Hushkitted (Delta, American, etc.)

2. Re-engine them (UPS)

3. Do nothing, but then have a severe weight restriction so the JT8Ds wouldn't have to be a max take-off power. In this case, as long as the noise generated by a certain take-off power setting doesn't cross the 'Stage III' threshold, then you're okay.

So to answer your question, yes, there was a big rush at the last year to get aircraft compliant with Stage III.
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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:08 pm

727s are pretty fast even now. They were designed to compete with the 880's original reason for living--short take-offs and plenty of speed. In actuality they could cruise almost as fast as an 880 but they couldn't get to that speed and altitude nearly as quickly. They were wider with the same thrust. 880s could push 44,000 lbs at high exhaust speed. 727s could push 45,000 lbs at moderate exhaust speed.

I am not a commercial pilot though. Pilots know more.

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RE: Oh, Those 727's!

Sat Aug 19, 2000 3:38 pm

Oh yes, those 727s. Quite graceful planes and sights to behold on the ground and in the air. I have flown on 727s several times (EA, AA, UA) and have found them to be quite comfortable. Those planes have really survived the tests of time and service and continue to serve their owners well. I think that the 727 is well on its way to becoming the DC-3 equivalent of the jet age, greatly outselling its rivals and outlasting them (eg Trident, Mercure).

By the way, a question. Who actually outfits the 727s with winglets? Is there a company offering such upgrades? I saw a 727-200 here owned by Amerijet which featured the winglets (it was the first 727 with winglets that I have ever seen).

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