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BMI Plan To Launch LHR-TLV

Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:05 pm

BMI has today announced the launch of a daily LHR-TLV route from next summer. I assume on A330 with 3 classes. With LY and BA currently bursting at the seams, this is welcomed especially for premium passengers with the new flat bed A33O product.

Statement below:



release date: 11/09/2007

bmi, Heathrow’s second biggest airline, today announced that it intends to launch a daily non stop service from Heathrow to Tel Aviv starting next spring.

The addition of Tel Aviv to the airline’s growing mid haul network from Heathrow has been made possible by the successful conclusion of bilateral talks between the UK and Israeli governments. allowing the designation of a second UK and Israeli airline on routes between London and Tel Aviv.

Nigel Turner, chief executive officer of bmi said:
“We are delighted that there has been a successful outcome to the inter-Government negotiations allowing the designation of a second UK airline. We will be applying to be designated immediately. I congratulate both the UK and Israeli Governments in recognising the need to bring wider competition to air travel between the two countries.

“bmi will be bringing to this market its reputation of delivering a superior product, both on the ground and in the air, for business and leisure traveller alike, as well as a range of highly competitive fares. Travellers choosing to fly with us will also benefit from flying with Heathrow’s most punctual airline, as well as being able to become a member of our diamond club, which is the UK’s most generous frequent flyer programme.

Our network of services from Heathrow continues to grow and our new service to Tel Aviv will also operate from Terminal 1 where customers will be able to benefit from easy connections onto a wide range of other bmi services.

“The opportunity to be part of the growing business links and ties between the UK and Israel is extremely exciting and we shall look forward to playing our part in widening the competitive air links between the two countries, and the economic growth that this has historically achieved.

“I would like to thank the many organisations and individuals in the UK and especially in Israel who have supported us and urged us to press forward with serving Israel from Heathrow.”


The launch of services from Heathrow to Tel Aviv will grow the total number of destinations served by bmi from Heathrow to 39. The full list of destinations is Aberdeen; Addis Ababa; Aleppo; Alicante; Almaty; Amman; Amsterdam; Ankara; Baku; Beirut; Belfast City; Bishkek; Brussels; Cairo; Dakar; Damascus; Dublin; Durham Tees Valley; Edinburgh; Ekaterinburg; Freetown; Glasgow; Hanover; Inverness; Jeddah; Jersey; Khartoum; Leeds Bradford; Lyon; Manchester; Moscow Domodedovo; Naples; Nice; Palma Mallorca; Riyadh; Tbilisi; Tehran; Tel Aviv; Yerevan.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:31 pm

I'm delighted
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globeex
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:40 pm

Now, if they only could finally get a decent feedertraffic from the US I could imagine that the service would do more than oustanding.

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Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:44 pm

Are you sure it's on an A330? They are operating CAI with a 320..........
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting Clydenairways (Reply 3):
Are you sure it's on an A330? They are operating CAI with a 320..........

I'd be amazed. This fits in with their mid-haul strategy after the BMED acquisition, so would expect an A320/A321.

That said, the BD premium product won't even compete if it isn't an A330. So will have to be significantly lower in price.

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Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:47 pm

I bet its a A320 or A319. I doubt they have the spare A332 capacity unless its the one they just got back from VS Nigeria.
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:51 pm

They haven't launched anything.

Quoting TLVFred (Thread starter):
bmi, Heathrow’s second biggest airline, today announced that it intends to launch a daily non stop service from Heathrow to Tel Aviv starting next spring.



Quoting TLVFred (Thread starter):
We will be applying to be designated immediately

The only thing that has happened is the successful conclusion of bilateral talks between the UK and Israeli governments allowing the designation of a second UK and Israeli airline on routes between London and Tel Aviv.
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 2):
Now, if they only could finally get a decent feedertraffic from the US I could imagine that the service would do more than oustanding.

They do have very good feed from the US at LHR via United Airlines.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I bet its a A320 or A319. I doubt they have the spare A332 capacity unless its the one they just got back from VS Nigeria.

They are due to receive 2 new A330s at some point during 2008. However with the rumoured second daily MAN-ORD flight and possible flights to Pakistan (from LHR) they might be needed elsewhere. If the above do not happen then they will have spare A330 capacity from next summer for sure.
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 7):
They do have very good feed from the US at LHR via United Airlines.

And VS.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 7):
hey do have very good feed from the US at LHR via United Airlines.

And also from Canada with AC
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:36 pm

Responses:

I agree with ManchesterMAN, the statement says ' delivering a superior product.....business..passengers'. I think its inconceivable that this would be an A320. LY are operating 744 daily in the Winter, and BA recently upgraded to 777. It is difficult to see how Business passengers would have a 'superior' service in an A320.

Notwithstanding that as ManchesterMAN says, it is timed with arrival of new A330's.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):
They haven't launched anything

'Intends to launch...next spring' in a press statement counts for an awful lot.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:42 pm

From BMI Website:

Five additional Airbus A330s valued at around $500 million will join the three existing A330 aircraft currently in service, with the first new aircraft expected to be delivered in Spring 2008.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting TLVFred (Reply 10):
'Intends to launch...next spring' in a press statement counts for an awful lot.

When would this be bookable from?
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:43 pm

Can someone explain why the TLV flights seems be so
interesting for airlines?
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 12):
When would this be bookable from?

Probably when they 'officially launch'

I would have thought they would start end March to cover the ridiculously busy Passover period (19 April) which has been sold out for months.

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
Can someone explain why the TLV flights seems be so
interesting for airlines?

Large numbers of UK jews have bought properties there and have relatives there along with the lessening of the terrorist threat coupled with high fares charged by LY and BA who are very slow to expand capacity gives rise to a classic demand/supply problem. Remember BA used to have 3 x 777 PER DAY pre 2000 and has not got anywhere near that with tourism levels back up there. LY cant afford LHR slots ($15m for a pair currently) so capacity is absolutely full day in day out.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
Can someone explain why the TLV flights seems be so
interesting for airlines?

For European airlines such as BA 2x Daily (B772 / B763), LH 2x Daily (B744 / A346), LX 2x Daily (A343 / A32S) and daily flights with AZ, OS, IB, AF and other european airlines. Well LH, BA and LX especially fly those routes with long haul equipment as there are a lot of transfering passengers on those flights which makes it such a lucrative business for european airlines to have many frequencies and utilise long haul equipment on those flights. TLV is for LX and LH for instance one of the best performing routes on the intercontinental network due to high loads / yields
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:56 pm

What are the chances of BD starting a LCA or PFO service? Could that be on their plans?
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 7):
They do have very good feed from the US at LHR via United Airlines.

Sorry, I just meant if they could finally open their own US destinations maybe to NYC first, they would do even better.

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swiftski
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting TLVFred (Reply 14):
LY cant afford LHR slots ($15m for a pair currently)

Exactly; hence why they also operate out of STN
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting TLVFred (Reply 10):
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):
They haven't launched anything

'Intends to launch...next spring' in a press statement counts for an awful lot.

Except when bmi announced that they were going to fly to Doha with a big fanfare in press releases and so on.....and then didn't happen as they weren't allowed.

Is there anything official to say that bmi HAS been designated the second UK airline? Or have VS got every right to put forward a bid for it as well? If so it could end up as another Doha debacle....
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting TLVFred (Reply 10):
'Intends to launch...next spring' in a press statement counts for an awful lot.

With BMI, it doesn't.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 19):
Is there anything official to say that bmi HAS been designated the second UK airline? Or have VS got every right to put forward a bid for it as well? If so it could end up as another Doha debacle....

Exactly.
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):

For European airlines such as BA 2x Daily (B772 / B763), LH 2x Daily (B744 / A346), LX 2x Daily (A343 / A32S) and daily flights with AZ, OS, IB, AF and other european airlines. Well LH, BA and LX especially fly those routes with long haul equipment as there are a lot of transfering passengers on those flights which makes it such a lucrative business for european airlines to have many frequencies and utilise long haul equipment on those flights. TLV is for LX and LH for instance one of the best performing routes on the intercontinental network due to high loads / yields

OS also flies 2x daily, although only with 321 and 320.

You basically need two daily flights to TLV (and all other Near East destinations) to have good connections from North America. The plane leaving in the morning from Europe with good connections from North America is not back in time for the other North Atlantic flights back to North America.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 19):
Quoting TLVFred (Reply 10):
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):
They haven't launched anything

'Intends to launch...next spring' in a press statement counts for an awful lot.

Except when bmi announced that they were going to fly to Doha with a big fanfare in press releases and so on.....and then didn't happen as they weren't allowed.

Is there anything official to say that bmi HAS been designated the second UK airline? Or have VS got every right to put forward a bid for it as well? If so it could end up as another Doha debacle....

I'd be interested to see how SRB spins and launches a TLV route - hardly Rio de Janeiro is it?

No doubt they would do very well with a daily A343 or A346 - yields generally great, robust traffic year round, probably a load of cargo as well. Also if they do a daytime flight with a quickie in TLV the aircraft could be back at LHR for early evening and a long-haul night flight. Could offer connection to the USA overnights that arrive early doors onto TLV - that will be popular.

Not sure how good news it would be for LY if BA and VS went head to head on the route though, although they probably have enough travellers who will never fly anyone but LY to do ok. Can see the STN route going if VS were to do it.
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 22):
I'd be interested to see how SRB spins and launches a TLV route - hardly Rio de Janeiro is it?

No, but probably higher yielding  Wink

Hmm who knows - i suspect Lagos and Port Harcourt weren't exactly glamour launches either. I'm not sure how SRB would look in an Orthodox Jewish outfit Big grin
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 23):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 22):
I'd be interested to see how SRB spins and launches a TLV route - hardly Rio de Janeiro is it?

No, but probably higher yielding

Hmm who knows - i suspect Lagos and Port Harcourt weren't exactly glamour launches either. I'm not sure how SRB would look in an Orthodox Jewish outfit

Can just see him in full hasidic garb serving pre-dinner pretzels and knishes in UC  Wink
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:14 am

Thompson is also offering 3 flights a week from Luton to Tel Aviv for 140 pounds roundtrip with taxes.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:24 am

Isn't Thompson Fly also planning to launch scheduled flights to TLV from STN and MAN later this year? I find it hard to believe that there so much excess demand for flights between TLV and the UK that two more British carriers want to join BA and LY and compete on these routes.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:40 am

Yes TOM are launching LTN/MAN-TLV this winter. So either they are the 2nd scheduled airline and bmi have f****d up big time or TOM are operating on a charter basis
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:51 am

Arkia have operated into LGW for a number of years so I would assume TOM are operating on a charter basis too and are defined as the 2nd UK scheduled airline. This whole situation highlights the need for an open skies agreement.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:29 am

The SECOND carrier agreement applied to LHR ONLY. There is pretty much open skies with Israir also operating from STN, which is scheduled. TOM will operate a scheduled service.

The second carrier agreement is for a second UK carrier to specifically operate LHR-TLV.

The only other contender is VS who have no plans a all, so its very likely BMI will get it.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:28 am

Quoting TLVFred (Thread starter):
allowing the designation of a second UK and Israeli airline on routes between London and Tel Aviv.

but doesnt 6H also operate to uk (STN)
so wouldnt they already be the second israeli airline
and doesnt IZ also (i think)
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting A380US (Reply 30):

but doesnt 6H also operate to uk (STN)
so wouldnt they already be the second israeli airline
and doesnt IZ also (i think)

As already mentioned the agreement is for LHR - TLV, currently there are only 2 airlines (one from each counrty) that operate LHR - TLV.

IZ and ISR operate charter flights to UK but neither to LHR.

I hope Arkia get to be the second Israeli designator, Israir is not worthy.


Why isnt VS interested?
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
Can someone explain why the TLV flights seems be so
interesting for airlines?

Because it's a very populair place for us tourists to party ( Dance capital of europe..) And ofcourse a lot of business between Israel and Europe is nice for the frontpart of the plane.

Can't wait to go, now I'm stuck at CGN to take HapagFly, but it's just the fact that traveling to CGN can be to time consuming for a small party-weekend break..  Smile

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Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:46 pm

I too hope it Arkia as Israir is the Ryanair of Israel but worse.

Anyway how are either of them going to afford LHR landing slots ???
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 32):

Because it's a very populair place for us tourists to party ( Dance capital of europe..) And ofcourse a lot of business between Israel and Europe is nice for the frontpart of the plane.

That is new too me, what happened to Ibiza?

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