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EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:44 am

I did read somewhere that EK apparently wants to stay at DXB and all other carriers will be transferred to JXB....
Somehow that didn't make any sense to me. They are building the huge Dubai World Cargo City/Centre... whatever... satellite city with the future biggest airport in the world and EK is supposed to stay at DXB where they claim to have not enough gates for all the A380s they actually would like to have. Or did I just "missread" the article which meant to say, that EK will stay at DXB at the beginning and will then move(split operation) to JXB. I thought I know that one terminal at JXB would be dedicated to EK. Would that be enough (never know how big they built in Dubai) or will they indeed split operation which would make Dubai a little bit less appealing as a hub.
Could somebody elaborate what EKs future plans with JXB and DXB are?

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:02 am

I have no insight into what EK's plans are. However, JXB is closer to new Dubai and wouldn't be surprised if DXB is left just as a general aviation and private jet airport, or even closed down altogether and have some new mega project on its site. The road traffic around DXB is a major and growing pain, making JXB a much convenient facility.
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:17 am

EK is guaranteed to run at least their A388 ops out of JXB. They might use DXB for cargo or more "local" services (ala HND in Tokyo) and use JXB for long-haul international.
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:18 am

Some sort of high-speed rail link between the two could make that plan relatively feasible...
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:23 am

Perfect excuse for Dubai to get Maglev, one less thing on their must have list or rather must create situation list to create must have list, because of situation created.
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:30 am

Supposedly DXB will eventually be for shorthaul ops by regional carriers and used by LCC or those that aren't too fussed with which airport they go to. Can see EK eventually moving completely to JXB as it will be the 'big flash new airport' that EK can use as a boasting point as well as having its ops centralised at one airport.
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:58 am

When is JXB suppose to open?
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Supposedly DXB will eventually be for shorthaul ops by regional carriers and used by LCC

As far as I know, one terminal at JXB will be reserved for LCCs.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
When is JXB suppose to open?

I think the first runways will be completed this year. When it will open I don't know.

But interesting how lillte inside info EK got prise about their plans at JXB and DXB..... But I also read somewhere, that they will operate most/all of the A380s out of JXB...... Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:47 pm

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 7):
Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

with 6 runways .. I am sure its gonna be ready  Wink
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):
Perfect excuse for Dubai to get Maglev, one less thing on their must have list or rather must create situation list to create must have list, because of situation created.

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Good for them, too, to have must create situation for having must-have lists, as at times they do seem to be running out of must-have things altogether.

Of course, they can always simply double their A380 fleet, and for good measure throw in 100 A350s and/or B787s. Actually, I would not be surprised to hear Tim Clark speak about 100 of each AC - just think of the nice fleet this would make: 100 A380, 100 A350 and 100 B787 glistening in the desert sun! Tim, whaddaya say?  Wink
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 7):
Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

We need the pictures of the JXB layout. I just remember that it had pictures of A380s and 747s lined up along terminal buildings.

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:06 pm

Great topic. Although all of the above comments make certain sense I would wonder why would EK spend so much money in building a brand new terminal to cater for the A380 and then just use it for cargo/LLC/etc.

IMHO their operations will stay at DXB with cargo moving to JXB. Eventually, It would be great to see an airport the size of DXB only for EK.

On the other hand, the question on feasibility comes into mind. With potentially having 100 A380s, 100 A350/787 (or both) and the stack of 777s they are receiving, I think the parking lot will be full. Not even mentioning the transition of passagers of connecting flights between DXB and JXB (40 kilometers apart).

I do look forward to how this will be handled.

BTW, runway 1 is done, runway 2 about 80% and you can see some of the terminal buildings coming up as well.

I drive past it daily on my way to work.

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
Not even mentioning the transition of passagers of connecting flights between DXB and JXB (40 kilometers apart).

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:10 pm

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
Great topic.

Thank you  Wink

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
I would wonder why would EK spend so much money in building a brand new terminal to cater for the A380 and then just use it for cargo/LLC/etc.

There will be three terminals. One reserved for EK only, one for other international carriers/other airlines from the UAE and one for LCCs.

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
BTW, runway 1 is done, runway 2 about 80% and you can see some of the terminal buildings coming up as well.

Is it? Just did read that the first is planned to be completly finished in the fourth quarter of 2007 (I know that will be soon), so maybe just the lighting is missing or something.

Quoting RUHFlyer (Reply 8):
with 6 runways .. I am sure its gonna be ready

As far as I am concerned it will not be the runnway capacity at either JXB or DXB but the number of gates that can handle 110 A380s which would be a number of around 40-50 gates just for the A380 if they want to remain flexible with their planning and keep the great interconnectivity of all their flights.

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:12 pm

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 7):
Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

Not according to Clark's latest comments.  Wink
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Not according to Clark's latest comments.

Hell, that's what I mean, but was he really referring to JXB or DXB?


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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 15):
Hell, that's what I mean, but was he really referring to JXB or DXB?

I am sure it was JXB.
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:23 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
I am sure it was JXB.
Hm, that's what I thought, but somehow a bit strange. Building a brand new airport that already doesn't seem to be enough for EK.... But I mean, it won't be until 2020 that EK might (MIGHT!) have 100+ A380. But anyways... how many gates will EKs terminal have? ~100 A350/787 + 100-110 A380 they would need more than 100 gates,... that would be Impressive. Just imagine just around 100 airplanes of the same airline parked at gates. I don't know how many aircrafts FX hast at Memphis at the same time, but they are parked on the field anyway. Will be better than ATL just with WBs

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):

But what do you do if A380 lands in JXB and someone has to connect from DXB and they need a visa and have bags? Surely even with the high speed rail link as someone mentioned they would need to clear customs immigration and than again on the other airport? assuming this is a split operation...what do you think?
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Dabth747 (Reply 18):
rail link as someone mentioned they would need to clear customs immigration and than again on the other airport?

I think this is the headache when splitting operations. I've experienced it tons of times on JL to YVR from NRT. I would fly into HND from either KIX or ITM with a four hour time span. Next thing, I am on a high-way bus from HND to NRT stuck in traffic and I arrive at the airport, twenty minutes before the flight departs. But I check in my bags, the plane holds at the gate for me but it causes anxiety for the other 449 pax on the plane.

I've seen similar instances at KIX. There were a group of people who had to connect to HKG, but because the domestic flight was experiencing mechanical problems, they got into a huge debate.

So this is the not so good part about operating at two airports that are so proximate to each other. And did they really confirm the more than 100 A380 order?
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting Dabth747 (Reply 18):
But what do you do if A380 lands in JXB and someone has to connect from DXB and they need a visa and have bags? Surely even with the high speed rail link as someone mentioned they would need to clear customs immigration and than again on the other airport? assuming this is a split operation...what do you think?

There would be a couple ways around it:

  • Do not allow inbound international connections at JXB/DXB with outbound international connections at DXB/JXB. That way, you never need to worry about it since every arrival at JXB/DXB would clear customs or connect via a sterile transit area to their next international flight in the same airport (like is done now at many international airports).
  • Have a dedicated "sterile" section prior to Customs & Immigration so you can transit inbound international connections to their international outbound connections without ever leaving the "sterile" area so they do not need to do C&I at DXB/JXB. So folks arrive at JXB/DXB, head to this area just prior to C&I, and board a bus or train that takes them directly to the departure area at DXB/JXB where they board their plane. You'd have to do this at dedicated international terminals at each end so the only way out was through C&I to prevent folks "back-tracking" to a domestic terminal where they could exit onto the street and bypass C&I.
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
Have a dedicated "sterile" section prior to Customs & Immigration so you can transit inbound international connections to their international outbound connections without ever leaving the "sterile" area so they do not need to do C&I at DXB/JXB.

On the link I gave above, there is a downloadable presentation. Slide 34 and 35.

Quote:
Dedicated corridor to link existing Dubai International Airport and DLC. Customs bonded and secured

On slide 36.

Quote:
Dubai Logistics City and DXB Airport will be linked by a dedicated corridor
- Road to DLC for air cargo shuttle
- Light rail to JXB for passenger transfer
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:05 am

I am sorry for not knowing, but what does JXB stand for?
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:57 am

JXB is the new airport that Dubai is building.
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Not according to Clark's latest comments. Wink

He was commenting about the current situation at DXB:

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...ichten-2007-09/artikel-8976814.asp

"The development of a second airport under construction in the bustling emirate will be a key factor in increasing the capacity of the fast-growing airline to handle more planes, he said."


On the airport link:
http://www.dubaiworldcentral.net/index.php?id=349

Quote:
Dubai World Central International Airport and the existing Dubai International Airport will be linked by a high speed express rail system

Regarding the switch over my understanding was that they first move non-EK airlines (or LCCs, don't remember) away from DXB to JXB to get more space for EK while JXB is being expanded. And then switch the whole EK operation in one step when JXB is fully operational.

BTW, for some look at the runway, Google Earth: Lat: 24.8876°, Long: 55.1764°
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:52 pm

Quoting Meta (Reply 22):
I am sorry for not knowing, but what does JXB stand for?

JXB comes from Jebel Ali, where the new airport is situated.

They have already planned a metro link between the two airports, according to projections we are looking at connection times of close to 45 mins.

The airport is expected to open in 2010 with cargo and LCC operations and then see most international airlines switching their operations to JXB as the airport expands. EK will move ops there later, from what I heard.

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
EK is guaranteed to run at least their A388 ops out of JXB. They might use DXB for cargo or more "local" services (ala HND in Tokyo) and use JXB for long-haul international.

I agree that 380 ops will move to JXB, in fact all passenger traffic will eventually flip over and DXB will become a cargo airport, with facilities for LCCs and private jets.

There would be little or no reason for EK and most other traditional (non-LCC) carrier to stay at DXB once all is said and done. The idea that DXB might become a regional airport like HND is not ridiculous but frankly I don't see it happening. The main reason being that EK would have to go through the hassle of transferring pax between the two facilities. As you know EK flourishes using DXB as a scissors-style hub between points in Asia, Australasia and even Africa to points in Europe, and to a limited extent in the Americas (with growth to come). For them to operate out of two airports is just to much of a logistical nightmare:

- There are currently no plans for high speed links between the two airports
- Dubai traffic is amongst the worst in the world so bus service is out of the question
- DXB currently operates in waves of activity. Anyone who has transited through there between 23:00 and 03:00 knows what I'm talking about. Because this is a relatively tight window adding 1 hour of transfer time is not really viable. After all you're only making money when your planes are in the air - something EK know VERY WELL.

PS any Dubai based photographers, I would love to see a shot of two 380s landing in parallel at JXB, when the time come  Wink

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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
We need the pictures of the JXB layout

Here are a few, and the bottom one here might be interesting as well.

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
BTW, runway 1 is done, runway 2 about 80% and you can see some of the terminal buildings coming up as well.

Small photo here.

(I hope this is not a repost; apologies if it is)
 
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RE: EK At JXB Or DXB?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Philzh (Reply 27):
Here are a few, and the bottom one here might be interesting as well.

Pretty impressive, however I still cant see, how EK will be able to accommodate over 200WBs (I know they don't have to at the same time, but I guess it would still take over 80 gates for EK alone) when there are other airlines flying to JXB. Or is it, that in the upper left corner that these buildings are for pax as well, or are those cargo terminals?
So one might be able to see 4 parallel landings at JXB at once? Wuhu! Just imagine 4 A380s on parallel approach!


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