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New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:32 am

Iberia has ordered three more A340-600s and Volaris of Mexico has ordered 14 A319s.

Source, Speednews.

With each new A346 order, I can't help wondering if it will be the last, but no doubt EY, QR etc will add a few more.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:35 am

The A340-600 is still a fine bird for those who operate her, so it makes sense to keep adding them as needed until they're ready to take "the next generation", be it from Airbus or Boeing or both.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:39 am

3xA346 is very good news. 14xA319s is another fine order for the A320 series. I Just got back from a trip on U2 using A319 equipment, an outstanding aircraft. Talking with some fellow U2 regulars its immediately obvious that the passenger preference lies with A319 over B737-700. Of course the airline couldn't care less but from a pax point of view I'm always happier to see the A319 with its quieter and more aesthetically pleasing cabin operating my flight.
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:43 am

Well,in this case......

31 A320
14 A319
3 A340-600!!! within a week......  Silly
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
With each new A346 order, I can't help wondering if it will be the last

I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.

Yup thoise orders will come from existing customers for those products.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:11 am

I sadly misread at first and thought Volaris was buying A340-600s!  cloudnine  What a short lived dream!

Back to reality. I'm glad for the new orders specially for Iberia's. I wonder if IB would go soon for an order of A350s.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line

Why would they close the line? The plane is built on the same production line as the A330...
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Why would they close the line? The plane is built on the same production line as the A330...

Have you heard of the A350? It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
Have you heard of the A350?

No, never. Tell me all about it  Yeah sure

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.

The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 9):
The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.

The A330F might very well sell even after EIS of the A350.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 10):
The A330F might very well sell even after EIS of the A350.

That seems to be the pattern, just look at Boeing. You milk the cow dill it drops dead and not a minute sooner.

The 330F will be a great freighter, and the 350 production will probably be devoted to passenger models for years. So it stands to reason ther 330F will be produced for quite a while after the 350 ramps up. I would not be suprised to see them sell passenger models on rare occasion after 350 EIS too.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 9):
The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.

I believe that it was continued as a "jobs" program. Did the A300 ever reach the 300 sold mark?
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 12):
Did the A300 ever reach the 300 sold mark?

Quite some time ago. Total orders and deliveries stood at 561 when the last plane rolled off the line.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Why would they close the line? The plane is built on the same production line as the A330...

What does the A346 wing have in common with the A330?
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 14):
What does the A346 wing have in common with the A330?

Both the A330 and A346 wing-body-join jigs fit on the same line?
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:16 am

IF finally IB gets more A-340's additional, LAX will be the Iberia newest destination  Smile Here, in Madrid there are rumors even about new adds for the 330

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 14):
What does the A346 wing have in common with the A330?

I'm afraid not many things.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:59 am

what did Airbus do with the cancelled EK A346 order, there must have been long lead items produced for those planes by the time they were cancelled as some were due for delivery this year.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:25 am

Congratulations to Airbus and Iberia. The A346 is my favorite airbus and I think its the sweetest Airbus ever made. Nice and long, very sleek, like a dragon.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 17):
what did Airbus do with the cancelled EK A346 order, there must have been long lead items produced for those planes by the time they were cancelled as some were due for delivery this year.

These slots were sold on to other carriers, one of the advantages of the A340 sharing a line with the 330. The A340 may not be selling that well, but the A330 ... wow! The A330 can't be got for love nor money (and Airbus tends to prefer money!) until at least 2009.

Re the comments above about "closing the line", I'm sure Zvezda is well aware that we were talking about the A340 model and that both types share the same line! Mind you, fifty more A340s; I may be wrong (and hopefully I will be), but I think that's very optimistic. I'd say 20 is more realistic - and I'd say even that's optimistic. Let's go through the list:

LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.
IB - always a possibility, but in very small numbers
QR - unlikely; they will soon receive 77Ws
EK - very unlikely; now receiving 772LRs
VS - Has already ordered 789; Sir RB has said no more.
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345
IT (Kingfisher) - possibility, but again in v small numbers
CX - definitely not
SA - possibility, for A345s, but they're up the creek, financially, right now
TG - unlikely? A345s going, but maybe a few more A346s?
MU - don't know, but don't seem to be in any hurry. Maybe to replace A340-300s?

I may have missed one or two, but even from those, it's difficult to see 10 more, let alone 20 or 50.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:12 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
Re the comments above about "closing the line", I'm sure Zvezda is well aware that we were talking about the A340 model and that both types share the same line!

Yes, it's a safe bet the last plane off the line will be an A330.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345

SQ will not buy 777-200LRs to replace their A340-500s. They will be replaced by 787-9s or A350-900s.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.

As you rightly mention in a message you sent later, there are still plenty of A330s to manufacture, and a lot more likely to come (commercial & military programmes like A330 MRTT / Refuelling)

The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350 Final Assembly Line. It might be that the FAL is built elsewhere on the site in Toulouse & A300 used for sub-assembly.

In any case, A330/A340 assembly line is here to stay for at least another 10 years.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:40 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.

I don't see the logic here. Eventhough you might be right that the next order will be the A350 I don't see what the 748 has to do with the 346. In fact LH ordered the last batch of 346 at the same time the 748 were ordered. The 748 is clearly filling the gap between the 346 and 388. If LH has needs for more capacity or new routes in the 300 pax ôn the shorter term they will most definitely order more A346 as they recently emphasized that they are very happy with the aircraft and that it is a very economical one as well.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
SA - possibility, for A345s, but they're up the creek, financially, right now

Maybe I am paranoia but I fly IAD regularly and I every time see a SA A346 being parked at a remote stand. Is it always there or is it just to bridge a couple of hours in the schedule?
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 21):
The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350

I'm guessing that that's unlikely for the main assembly line as the A300 didn't fit in properly and had to be slotted in diagonally but a sub-assembly hall may be what it ends up as - or they could flatten the whole lot and build a new one
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
Have you heard of the A350? It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.

I think the A330 will be build for some time for the following reason. The A350 is much more of a longhaul aircraft and the A330 is much better fitted for medium routes as the A350 is. Airbus has not an equivalent to the 787-3 but it seems it does not need, too. The 787-3 is not a big seller so far and it remains to be seen if UA, AA, DL and other will replace their domestic 767s and 757s with it .
The last year has shown that the A330 is still a very competitive aircraft and for airlines that does need the range of the 787 or A350 or have the need for freighter in that size still a very attractive airplane.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 22):
Maybe I am paranoia but I fly IAD regularly and I every time see a SA A346 being parked at a remote stand. Is it always there or is it just to bridge a couple of hours in the schedule?

The SA A346 is parked at IAD during the day. It arrives at IAD as SA 207 at 0600 hrs and departs at 1755 as SA 208 for JNB. I believe it is parked at a remote stand as part of the cost cutting measures recommended by Seabury's. It used to park at terminal B right in front of the Virgin club house before the belt tightening started.
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:28 pm

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 21):
The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350 Final Assembly Line

The A300 line as it is today is definitely not suitable for an A350 final assembly line. Too small, linear. And the ATR and A320 lines are on each side and they are full today and for the next few years.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 23):
I'm guessing that that's unlikely for the main assembly line as the A300 didn't fit in properly and had to be slotted in diagonally

The aircraft looked pretty straight within the line. Why do you say they only fitted diagonally.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.

The next big Airbus / Boeing order from LH will mostlikely also include orders for LX for replacment of A340's and also the A32S fleet is slowly ageing so for around 2015 or so we could see up to 50 planes just for LX but let's see
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 12):
I believe that it was continued as a "jobs" program.

Not this again  Yeah sure It was continued because Airbus could sell it. Much in a similar way the 767 is still being built, and will be for some time to come.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 26):
Why do you say they only fitted diagonally.

I'm afraid I've taken what I was told on here as fact about the hangers for the A300 being tiny - if I'm wrong I apologise!
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 21):
In any case, A330/A340 assembly line is here to stay for at least another 10 years.

Yes, but I think the last A340 will be built years before the line closes. The A330 probably will outlive the A340 by several years.

Quoting Columba (Reply 24):
The 787-3 is not a big seller so far and it remains to be seen if UA, AA, DL and other will replace their domestic 767s and 757s with it .

I would be very surprised if any North American carriers choose the 787-3 over the 787-8.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 12):
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 9):
The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.

I believe that it was continued as a "jobs" program. Did the A300 ever reach the 300 sold mark?

What a pile of rubbish. Had Airbus closed the line earlier they could have transferred any work being done on the A300 to the A332F, but there were still outstanding orders to fullfill.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 31):
Had Airbus closed the line earlier they could have transferred any work being done on the A300 to the A332F, but there were still outstanding orders to fullfill.

Not only were there orders up until the A300 line closed, but someone tried to place orders after the line had effectively closed and the suppliers had already started scrapping the production equipment.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:09 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 27):

The next big Airbus / Boeing order from LH will mostlikely also include orders for LX for replacment of A340's and also the A32S fleet is slowly ageing so for around 2015 or so we could see up to 50 planes just for LX but let's see

Indeed the LH/LX decision will be interesting. I can see some A32xs and Emb 190 for LH and LX to replace older A32x and 737s. Rumor is that LH has some more purchase rights for Emb 190s to the same condition as the earlier order (that was reported by Reuters shortly after the order was announced).
It is interesting that LH/LX have not made a decision regarding the A350/787. LX just ordered additional A330s I thought first as the order appeared earlier on LH�s website in August that this would mean a decision in favor for the A350.
Since nothing is announced yet it is an indication for me that LH still has not made its mind yet.
This is sure a very intense evaluation LH wanted to announce the order already last fall.
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 12):
I believe that it was continued as a "jobs" program.

Do you also believe FedEx and UPS take brand new freighters which they actually don't need?  Yeah sure

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 12):
Did the A300 ever reach the 300 sold mark?

Not even that, but even the 400 sold mark and the 500 sold mark - in the end Airbus built a total of 567 A300s.


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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The A340-600 is still a fine bird for those who operate her, so it makes sense to keep adding them as needed until they're ready to take "the next generation", be it from Airbus or Boeing or both

Agreed!  checkmark 

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Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:19 pm

Back on topic: CSA Czech Airlines has ordered eight more A319s.

http://wbztv.com/businesswire/APFN-E...-FIN-COM--Czec/resources_news_html
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
Indeed the LH/LX decision will be interesting. I can see some A32xs and Emb 190 for LH and LX to replace older A32x and 737s. Rumor is that LH has some more purchase rights for Emb 190s to the same condition as the earlier order (that was reported by Reuters shortly after the order was announced).

By 2010 I would expect the first EMB 190's in LX's fleet and I gues LH has more older A32S models in their fleet so we will see quite a big order there + at around 2015 for LX to repalce the netire current A32S fleet. Yeah regarding the A330, this one will surely be in the fleet till around 2020-2025 but especially the 6 older A340's currently joining the fleet would need to be replaced starting around 2013 and by 2018 I gues all A340's are gone and we will see A350's. I doubt we will see a B787 with LX titles.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
QR - unlikely; they will soon receive 77Ws

I guess that has nothing to do with it. QR is expanding and have a A/C shortage. So I could see another order, probably only a few.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345

Well, A.Net biggest dream will never be realized  Smile

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 30):
Yes, but I think the last A340 will be built years before the line closes. The A330 probably will outlive the A340 by several years.

I believe so. Maybe as a freighter as well.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 37):
I doubt we will see a B787 with LX titles.

Depends on what LH is ordering sizewise the 787-8 and -9 would make sense for LX.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 37):
LH has more older A32S models in their fleet so we will see quite a big order there + at around 2015 for LX to repalce the netire current A32S fleet.

I think we will see one additional order for A32x from LH within the next 2-3 years they have one of the olderst A320s and a large fleet or 737s that need a replacement within the next 5 years and it takes another 8 years till the next generation narrow body from Airbus and Boeing is available.
LH ordered A32x last year but I don´t think it is enough for all the 737s and earlier A320s. So far it is also not clear how they intend to use the Emb 190. I have seen an artist impressions of Emb 190s pained in Lufthansa Regional Colors. So I think they will be used to replace LH Cityline and Eurowings Bae 146s and Avros rather than mainline 737-500s.
If LX retires their entire A32x fleet in 2015 I doubt that they will order new A32x but the next generation single aisle of Airbus or Boeing.
Maybe the Avros and A319s will be replaced with Emb 190s before that.

Sorry for being off-topic  Wink
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 10):
The A330F might very well sell even after EIS of the A350.



Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 11):
The 330F will be a great freighter, and the 350 production will probably be devoted to passenger models for years. So it stands to reason ther 330F will be produced for quite a while after the 350 ramps up. I would not be suprised to see them sell passenger models on rare occasion after 350 EIS too.

I doubt it. The A-350XWB series will also offer an A-350-900F, which will compete directly with the B-767-300ERF, B-777-200LRF, and A-330-200F. So why would Airbus produce airplanes that will compete against each other?

I also doubt that to many new passenger A-330s will sell after the EIS of the A-350/B-787. There will be a glut of fairly low time used A-330-200s/-300s available as airlines dump their A-330 leases as their new B-787s or A-350s get delivered.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40):
I also doubt that to many new passenger A-330s will sell after the EIS of the A-350/B-787.

True, for all the reasons you list, but I still think the A330 will sell for several years past the A340. Some airlines will not wait for 787s or A350s, which are likely to have long backlogs.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:40 am

AIRBUS ORDER UPDATE: (Official)

Volaris x 14 A319
Private Customer x 1 A319
Private Customer x 1 A319
Aegean Airlines x 6 A320
Iberia x 3 A346

Total: 25 frames.

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Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 42):


[Edited 2007-09-12 21:04:21]
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting Express1 (Reply 43):
Nigerian Carrier Arik Air , orders 15 Boeing aircraft

Dude, this is the Airbus orders thread.
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 44):

i've recorrected the quote.

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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40):
I doubt it. The A-350XWB series will also offer an A-350-900F, which will compete directly with the B-767-300ERF, B-777-200LRF, and A-330-200F. So why would Airbus produce airplanes that will compete against each other?

An A350-900F will not compete at all with the smaller, shorter ranged A330-200F.

They are in different size classes.

Also, there is no such plane as the B767-300ERF or B777-200LRF. There are the B767-300F and the B777-200F.

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Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:27 am

The Slovak newspaper SME just brought news about OK: OK is converting 8 A 319 options to orders. The aircraft should be delivered in 2011-2012. Link to the article (unfortunately, only in Slovak):
http://ekonomika.sme.sk/c/3483549/Ce...nie-si-objednavaju-8-Airbusov.html
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.

As for the A346 one should not forget that the aquisition cost is some 10 million lower than buying a 773ER. The 773 might use less fuel and might be a few percent cheaper in maintenance, but you can fly a few miles for the millions saved on buying the A346.
 
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RE: New Airbus Orders!

Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 38):
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345

Well, A.Net biggest dream will never be realized

and how!  Silly

Certain poster very well known in this forum even said (at the end of 2004) for the summer in 2005 SQ will have the 772LR
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