tonymctigue
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Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:57 am

It is being reported this evening that the third flight of the day has been diverted to Shannon Airport (EINN) on the West coast of Ireland due to air rage incidents. Considering that SNN is a small airport that seems to regurarly attract flight diversions due to air rage incidents, this puts me wondering, how often does this happen elsewhere in the world? Is it a regurar occurance at major airports such as LHR, AMS, CDG, etc to experience three or more flight diversions on any given day due to air rage incidents or is it SNN's location as being the most Western airport in Europe that makes it an obvious diversion airport when such incdidents occur?

I will be hoping to get the opinions of A.netters from all over on this particular topic because it seems to me that three air rage incidents on a single day at a small airport on the West coast of Ireland is excessive. This also begs the question, what is it that causes people to go crazy on planes? Is it due to the cumlination of all the various phobias one must face while flying that just becomes too much for people to handle so they are willing to do anything to get off the plane? Is it simply a case of people drinking too much either on the flight or at the airport before they board that causes this behaviour? Could it be a case that today is the 6th anniversy of 9/11 & people are a bit more easily spooked because of it? Or is it a combination of all of the above? No matter what the reasons are, you can hardly go a month without reading in the court report section of the Clare Champion about someone who was pulled off a flight at SNN due to air rage. In fairness, the District courts in Clare have dealt with air rage offenders very harshly, often ordering them to repay the airline for the landing fee for diverting the flight as well as fining them or giving prison sentences. Keeping in mind that a diverted flight to SNN is nearly always a transatlantic flight, you are talking at minimum a 757 & along with that a hefty landing fee. However, these punishments do not seem to be solving the problem. So over to you now for your thoughts.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0911/airrage.html
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:06 am

It's extraordinary that there would be three of these incidents, apparently unconnected, on the anniversary of the New York attacks. I think in the third incident passengers reported suspicious activity by a passenger or passengers, so maybe people were just being hypersensitive today.

Strange.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Thread starter):
because it seems to me that three air rage incidents on a single day at a small airport on the West coast of Ireland is excessive.

It may be excessive - but it's not three incidents at a small airport in Ireland.

It's three incidents on trans-Atlantic flights - of which there are hundreds every day. Though I would be surprised if three per day is not abnormally high.

Two things come to mind which might be a consideration for today.

Everyone flying has to be jumpy, nervous, concerned about the anniversary. That can easily lead to passengers feeling uncomfortable about the actions of other passengers - and with a very long flight before arrival - I can easily see how things could escalate to much higher levels of confrontation than normal. The flight crew isn't going to make a decision to divert unless they feel the situation is too volatile to risk the open ocean legs.

Another is weather in the US today. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago are all experiencing weather delays today. When people are on flights with connections and know they are probably going to miss them after a long overseas flight - they are not going to be happy. That makes people more combative and agressive.

The closest thing to air rage I've seen this year in the US was over weather delays. It's not been a good summer in the US to get anywhere on time on an airplane.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 2):
It may be excessive - but it's not three incidents at a small airport in Ireland.

Considering that most air rage incidents take place in the air as opposed to at the airport when I say that the incident took place at a particular airport I really mean that the flight was diverted to that airport because of the incident. Anyway that part is not particurarly important but to just to clarify I will re-phrase the question, would it be a regular occurance at major hub airports to have three or more flights diverted to them due to air rage on a single day?

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 2):
It's three incidents on trans-Atlantic flights - of which there are hundreds every day. Though I would be surprised if three per day is not abnormally high.

Consider though that a similar amount of flights pass over or near that airport every day but never in my memory has there been three planes forced to divert due to three unrelated air rage incidents on a single day. It is this part of the story that leads me to think that this level on incidents is far above the norm.
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:17 pm

The news this morning is that the Martinair passengers were a drunken Ukranian couple, who were arrested by Gardaí. They will appear in court today.

The Delta Airlines passenger an Iranian man, who was overpowered by US air marshals, but it's believed he was suffering from a medical condition.

On Thomas Cook flight out of Manchester a Pakistani man has been detained for suspicious behaviour and failing to obey instructions from the crew, although he has been interviewed by Gardaí and believed not to have posed a threat.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
On Thomas Cook flight out of Manchester a Pakistani man has been detained for suspicious behaviour and failing to obey instructions from the crew, although he has been interviewed by Gardaí and believed not to have posed a threat.

Perhaps this particular incident can just be put down to nerves on the anniversy of 9/11.
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 5):
Perhaps this particular incident can just be put down to nerves on the anniversy of 9/11.

Just heard on the news that he's to appear in court today.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:38 pm

Quoting Tonymctigue (Thread starter):
This also begs the question, what is it that causes people to go crazy on planes?

It's no different to people getting mad in a shop if they can't return something - people scream and shout about that all the time. In a shop it's no big deal, but in the air it is.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
The news this morning is that the Martinair passengers were a drunken Ukranian couple, who were arrested by Gardaí. They will appear in court today.

The Delta Airlines passenger an Iranian man, who was overpowered by US air marshals, but it's believed he was suffering from a medical condition.

On Thomas Cook flight out of Manchester a Pakistani man has been detained for suspicious behaviour and failing to obey instructions from the crew, although he has been interviewed by Gardaí and believed not to have posed a threat.

Special Branch in Shannon and the Ennis district court will be busy then...

Jan
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 3):
would it be a regular occurance at major hub airports to have three or more flights diverted to them due to air rage on a single day?

No. A hub is, by definition, a major destination airport. A diversion, by definition, isn't going to its destination. Therefore hubs are unlikely to get significant numbers of diversions. SNN is catching all of the diversions for transatlantic flights bound for all the European hubs, just as Gander does for all the transatlantics bound for the eastern US.

Tom.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):
Gander does for all the transatlantics bound for the eastern US

Love the comparison with wild geese & you are right, SNN does get a significant amount of diversions for all different reasons.
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):
Therefore hubs are unlikely to get significant numbers of diversions

...by the airline(s) who have their hubs there.
But ORD could still see NW diversions, LHR could still see Lufthansa diversions, etc.
 
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RE: Three Air Rage Incidents At SNN On A Single Day

Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 10):
Love the comparison with wild geese

LOL

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