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Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:18 am

Berfore America West merged with US, they operated JFK-LAX. Why did US cancel it? What was the flight number? What was the aircraft? When did it end?
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:27 am

Poor loads and yields. They used a mix of A320s and A319s.
 
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Why did US cancel it?

HP cancelled it well before the merger, Also HP is running US now, not the other way around.
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:13 am

Its not just LAX-JFK, they also ran LAX-BOS & IAD plus SFO-JFK & BOS

To put it mildly, HP had their aXXes handed to them in the market. They simply could not get much traction in these very competitive markets. HP strayed out its LAS & PHX niche and failed. Somewhat similar to all the various Mexico and Canada flying it has tried from LAX over the years.

Here are some threads on the subject a couple years back. HP Ends Non-hub Transcons (by Padcrasher Jul 4 2005 in Civil Aviation) HP Comes To Realize Transcon Is Overcrowded (by AirlineFanatic Aug 19 2004 in Civil Aviation) HP's New Transcon Point-To-Points (by Jetbluefan1 May 21 2004 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:00 am

Doug Parker was asked about this recently at a town hall. Basically the route became too competitive for them to want to operate, and with JFK being their smallest NYC destination, don't look for them to restart, especially with JetBlue competing to three LA airports, and Delta, United and American all flying the route.

However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.
 
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Poor loads and yields

You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.
 
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.

And so would AA, DL, UA etc... HP/US again would be on the loosing end of that battle.
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
And so would AA, DL, UA etc... HP/US again would be on the loosing end of that battle

Yes sir. AA, DL and UA would kick the crapp out of US on the New York-Los Angeles market...
 
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.

From what I've heard, the loads weren't bad at all. It was more a matter of an A319 vs. multiple 757s and even 767s from other airlines. Why even try to compete?
 
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:26 pm

My understanding is that the HP transcon services ran with very good loads......the problem was that the flights were filled with pax travelling on very low (unprofitable) fares and the flights were therefore losing money. Remember, its not only UA and AA that compete on the transcons, CO offers many flights out of EWR, DL was trying to increase its share of these markets with its Song product during this period, and JetBlue had already established itself in these markets. Lots and lots of seats on offer.....the result being bargain fares. HP, with its one or two flights per day on each route, could not hope to compete with the legacies for higher yeilding business pax, and had little to offer the leisure pax when compared to the product that Song and JetBlue were offereing. At the end of the story, the A32Xs flying the transcon routes were not generating enough revenue and HP got out of this very difficult and competitve market.

HP tried something, it did not work out, and moved along.
 
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RE: Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX

Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
Doug Parker was asked about this recently at a town hall. Basically the route became too competitive for them to want to operate, and with JFK being their smallest NYC destination, don't look for them to restart, especially with JetBlue competing to three LA airports, and Delta, United and American all flying the route.

However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.

From what I've heard, the loads weren't bad at all. It was more a matter of an A319 vs. multiple 757s and even 767s from other airlines. Why even try to compete?

What nobody is considering is that HP wasn't offering anything that wasn't already offered in the market; a differentiated product, alliance tie-in and codeshares, and the lack of first/business lounges in the terminals that bookended the routes.
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