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United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:06 pm

Short notice and odd to launch a Europe route in the winter, however being hub-to-hub flyings its a low risk venture.

Eff 15December

UA904 LAX-FRA 1725-1325+1 777
UA905 FRA-LAX 1520-1814 777

Nicely complements LH LAX-FRA services, and adds to the double daily UA services from SFO.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:12 pm

Blimey, never saw that one coming, good news, wonder where that 777 is coming from?

Being selfish I look forward to them announcing LHR-DEN asap from March next year!
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:16 pm

Finally another European destination from LAX to Europe with an american carrier other than to LHR, about time.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:20 pm

I believe the aircraft is coming from the suspension of KIX-HNL service and KIX-SFO changing to 747 and HKG-ORD going from 10x weekly to 1 daily...

it should give UA enough time to change the seats to the new generation first and launch it.

Oct 27th until Dec 14th...that will give some time
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:24 pm

Wow that's a shocker, Great news for UA. Too bad the B777 will be in the old config.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting Fumitani (Reply 3):
I believe the aircraft is coming from the suspension of KIX-HNL service

When was this announced?!? Is it a permanent drop or is this just temporary?!?


Exciting to see more LAX flying though!!
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:53 pm

I hope this doesn't undermine SAN's attempts to attract LH... Otherwise, nice to see UA expanding at LAX, I love travelling on their international configured 777s.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:57 pm

Yep, LAX seems to be coming back more and more on the radar for UA......great stuff!
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:33 pm

So i won t be surprised if LH will suspend their second daily flight they are operating in the Summer schedule.
LEaves LH one Longhaul ACs more for next summer.
So maybe LH will start SAN with this one. A roundtrip FRA-SAN-FRA could be done in the same time.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:17 pm

How do the UA timings work with the LH timings...
The UA flight will also get feeder traffic off of NZ's AKL services
What?
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 5):
When was this announced?!? Is it a permanent drop or is this just temporary?!?

I don't remember the exact date, but it has been known since June.

UA is cancelling all flights that don't make money and redeploying aircraft on routes that make profit for them
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting Fumitani (Reply 10):
UA is cancelling all flights that don't make money and redeploying aircraft on routes that make profit for them

Sounds like a good business policy... wonder why this didn't happen in the past???
What?
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 2):
Finally another European destination from LAX to Europe with an american carrier other than to LHR, about time.

That's what I was thinking. Great news. Unbeliveable, only MaxJet, AA and UA fly to one European city from the largest O&D airport in the world. I was hoping DL would launch LAX-CDG, but they've announced CDG from Salt Lake, oh well.

Any other possibilities, maybe Northwest, LAX-AMS, does the A330 have the juice to make it non-stop??? (now I'm day dreaming)
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 2):
Finally another European destination from LAX to Europe with an american carrier other than to LHR, about time.

That's what I was thinking. Great news. Unbeliveable, only MaxJet, AA and UA fly to one European city from the largest O&D airport in the world.

Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

Personally, I'm OW and there is no way I'd fly US-Europe on AA when I can do BA. Same thing between UA and LH for STAR members.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:17 pm

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 8):
LEaves LH one Longhaul ACs more for next summer.
So maybe LH will start SAN with this one. A roundtrip FRA-SAN-FRA could be done in the same time.

Read the thread on LH and SAN. No suitable aircraft and runway limitations at SAN. If San Diegans want nonstop service, then move to a city that has it.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 13):
Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

While that is commonly believed, the service differences between UA and LH aren't that great. I've flown both in all three classes, and it depends on class of service for who is better.

Economy: For elites UA wins hands down. UA has economy plus which is far superior with its 34-36' pitch. Even for members that aren't elite, UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Business: LH has a lie flat seat that is newer and nicer to UA's traditional seat. Food wise, they are pretty similar. On board service goes to LH though. Lounge service is pretty meaningless since you get the same lounge access when you fly either airline.

First: LH has the edge due to its amazing ground services such as the first class terminal at FRA. It has superior lounges. However on board there is less difference. UA has a better seat. It has more features, much more storage and is a lot more private. LH has good on board service.

*One big difference is if you don't speak English. Lufthansa crews all speak English and German and often other languages. United crews rarely speak anything other than English and you'll only have a few flight attendants on board with language skills compared to what you get on LH.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Economy: For elites UA wins hands down. UA has economy plus which is far superior with its 34-36' pitch. Even for members that aren't elite, UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Not on the 747s.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Save for every single 747 flight in Y...
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 9):

How do the UA timings work with the LH timings...

Looking good!

UA goes as follows:
UA904 LAX-FRA 1725-1325+1 777
UA905 FRA-LAX 1520-1814 777

while LHs yearly round LH 456/457 have these times:
LH 457 LAX-FRA 1445-1015+ 744
LH 456 FRA-LAX 1005-1235 744

Their summer only LH 450/451 seems to be replaced by UA though:
LH 451 LAX-FRA 1830-1415+ 744
LH 450 FRA-LAX 1350-1625 744

However, doesn't the 1-daily year-round service always use numbers 450 and 451?
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 9):
How do the UA timings work with the LH timings...



Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
UA904 LAX-FRA 1725-1325+1 777

in my opinion the timings are not the best for the LAX inbound to FRA, because all flights to the Middle East, the Indian sub-continent including Pakistan as well as ALA, TSE and GYD depart around the same time the flight arrives at FRA (between 12.30 - 14.00hrs).
However no problems to connect to domestic and European destinations as the frequencies here are very high.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Economy: For elites UA wins hands down. UA has economy plus which is far superior with its 34-36' pitch. Even for members that aren't elite, UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Business: LH has a lie flat seat that is newer and nicer to UA's traditional seat. Food wise, they are pretty similar. On board service goes to LH though. Lounge service is pretty meaningless since you get the same lounge access when you fly either airline.

First: LH has the edge due to its amazing ground services such as the first class terminal at FRA. It has superior lounges. However on board there is less difference. UA has a better seat. It has more features, much more storage and is a lot more private. LH has good on board service.

All going to change soon when the new F & J seats go in and really give them a great inflight product, lets just hope the service is there as well.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:06 am

Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment?
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:15 am

Don't think it will take long for it to swith to the 744! LH's FRA-LAX-FRA is always packed front to end.

Great News Big grin

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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 17):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Save for every single 747 flight in Y...

Sorry, I meant on the 777s, which will operate this route.

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 21):
Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment?

They did it with a 747-200, but stopped 15 years ago.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:44 am

Here is the press release;

Quote:
Willkomen to Frankfurt on United
Thursday September 13
United announces new service from its Los Angeles hub to Frankfurt

CHICAGO, Sept. 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines today announced that it will offer new daily passenger and cargo service* between Los Angeles and Frankfurt. United will begin service to Frankfurt on December 15, 2007 and service from Frankfurt on December 16, 2007. Flights are open for sale beginning today.
This will be United's eighth daily flight to Frankfurt and the new service from Los Angeles means United now serves Frankfurt from all four of its International Gateways, with service twice daily from its San Francisco and Chicago hubs and three times daily from its Washington, D.C. hub.

The flight schedule between Los Angeles and Frankfurt will be as follows:

Schedule Depart Arrive
Los Angeles to Frankfurt 5:25 p.m. 1:25 p.m. (the following day)
Frankfurt to Los Angeles 3:20 p.m. 6:14 p.m.
All routes and frequencies are subject to change.

United plans to operate combined passenger and cargo service between the United States and Frankfurt using a Boeing-777 aircraft.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070913/aqth016a.html?.v=1
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 23):
Quoting Indio66 (Reply 21):
Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment?

They did it with a 747-200, but stopped 15 years ago.

I remember seeing an NZ 744 in FRA in late October 1998 so the service was still going 9 years ago
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 25):

I remember seeing an NZ 744 in FRA in late October 1998 so the service was still going 9 years ago

did they operate from Terminal 2 in FRA? The picture below shows the "new Terminal building" in the background and the photographer states "after arriving from LAX, this 747 is shown taxiing to parking, in the new International Terminal"


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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 21):

Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment?

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 23):

They did it with a 747-200, but stopped 15 years ago.

It didn't stop too long ago - however, NZ didn't fly daily (I think, the max was 4-weekly). The actually did use a 744 for quite some time.

The reason for stopping service to FRA with their own metal was their membership in *A - so it was easier for them to codeshare on LH flights to LAX and South-East Asia and thus offer several daily connections.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:05 am

Does UA perform T7 maintenance at LAX, or will aircraft rotate to DEN, ORD, or IAD for maintenance?
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 28):
Does UA perform T7 maintenance at LAX, or will aircraft rotate to DEN, ORD, or IAD for maintenance?

United does not do heavy maintenance on the 777 at LAX, but certainly has a maintenance facility and can work items. As is several 777s overnight at LAX already.
UA's North American maintenance base is San Francisco with 777 heavy checks being completed by Ameco in Beijing.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 23):
Sorry, I meant on the 777s, which will operate this route.

United also has PTV's (albeit rather small ones, although the 777's are also small) on their PW4060-powered 767-300ER's, which are their international birds. United also has a subfleet of PW4052-powered 763ER's that are domestic-configured for hub-hub and Hawaii flights. But UA has PTV's on all transatlantic flights I think, I can't remember if they fly IAD-FRA with a 744 or not. Great to see UA determined to LAX! I doubt they'll make life easy for DL...
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 13):
Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

no doubt, but as you pointed out LAX is one of the busiest airports in the world dominated by two of the world's largest international carriers, AA and UA and have limited trans-oceanic service, ofcourse people can connect from their other hubs, but its special to see something like this at LAX.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 31):
dominated by two of the world's largest international carriers, AA and UA

Dominated by AA and UA? hardly. Southwest has more flights out of LAX than United doesn't it? And of all international traffic out of LAX, AA and UA have the smallest market share. Of all the U.S. carriers at LAX, DL has the largest international market share (21 destinations in Latin America), and they have the greatest potential for international growth at LAX.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 8):


So i won t be surprised if LH will suspend their second daily flight they are operating in the Summer schedule.

I will. The traffic, both O&D and connecting, is huge between the two cities and pays good money for the tickets. If anything, this will cut into Air India.

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 8):
maybe LH will start SAN with this one

With a 744? I don't think so.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 16):

Not on the 747s.

This will be a 777

Quoting PA101 (Reply 18):

However, doesn't the 1-daily year-round service always use numbers 450 and 451?

No, the year-round service uses 456/457. Also, 450/451 are normally still operated 3x weekly in the winter.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 19):

in my opinion the timings are not the best for the LAX inbound to FRA, because all flights to the Middle East, the Indian sub-continent including Pakistan as well as ALA, TSE and GYD depart around the same time the flight arrives at FRA (between 12.30 - 14.00hrs).

LH's THR flight leaves at 1815 CET which is perfect for this flight.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 29):

United does not do heavy maintenance on the 777 at LAX, but certainly has a maintenance facility and can work items. As is several 777s overnight at LAX already.

There was a time where United didn't keep a whole lot of spares for the 777 at LAX, as was evidenced by a major delay when an aircraft had to divert there due to a mechanical.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 30):
But UA has PTV's on all transatlantic flights I think, I can't remember if they fly IAD-FRA with a 744 or not.

United has several TATL flights on the 744, out of both IAD and SFO.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Southwest has more flights out of LAX than United doesn't it?

United is the largest carrier at LAX by passenger volume.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
and they have the greatest potential for international growth at LAX.

Absolutely not. Delta's pull in the market pales in comparison to United and American. The potential for international growth lies in the larger carriers at the airport.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Southwest has more flights out of LAX than United doesn't it?

Wrong

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
And of all international traffic out of LAX, AA and UA have the smallest market share

Wrong

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Of all the U.S. carriers at LAX, DL has the largest international market share

Wrong


LAX Stats for the first 6 months of 2007.

By Passenger Volume:
UA & UAX = 6,165,926 of which 475,896 international
AA & AE = 5,165,216 / 302,353 intl
WN = 3,822,868 / 0 intl
DL & DLX = 2,266,961 / 158,324 intl


By Revenue Operations (take off and landing)
UA & UAX = 85,923
AA & AE = 83,003
WN = 41,010
DL & DLX = 30,896
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 13):
Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

Personally, I'm OW and there is no way I'd fly US-Europe on AA when I can do BA. Same thing between UA and LH for STAR members.

I agree. As a UA MillionMiler, there is no way I would ever fly UA if seats were available in the same class on LH for the same route on a schedule that worked for me. The difference in service is huge -- from fairly good on LH to atrocious on UA.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:31 am

Now the question is, will passengers clear customs in t-6 or bus to TBIT. If it's TBIT, good luck.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
DL has the largest international market share (21 destinations in Latin America), and they have the greatest potential for international growth at LAX.

Oh please, come on, just about all on frigging regional jets flown by its express partners!
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:43 am

DL also operated LAX-FRA for a short time in the 90s with M11s.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting CyberUAL (Reply 36):
Now the question is, will passengers clear customs in t-6 or bus to TBIT. If it's TBIT, good luck.

Without a doubt they will use the T6/7 FIS, as it was constructed for United's use.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
LAX-AMS, does the A330 have the juice to make it non-stop???

Easily, for the -200

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
and they have the greatest potential for international growth at LAX.

Absolutely not.

Both of these being little more than your biased and unsubstantiated opinions....
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 34):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Southwest has more flights out of LAX than United doesn't it?

Wrong

I said WN has more flights from LAX than UA. I never said anything about pax.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 34):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
And of all international traffic out of LAX, AA and UA have the smallest market share

Wrong

Ok, very poor phrasing. I will say that again:

In comparison to other U.S. airports, the U.S. airlines (AA and UA) at LAX have the smallest percentage of all international flights. This is in response to the following:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 31):
LAX is one of the busiest airports in the world dominated by two of the world's largest international carriers, AA and UA

Total long-haul international flights from LAX each day: ~55 (give or take a few for certain days)
Of the 55, NW has 1, AA has 2, and UA has 2 (soon 4). Remaining flights are non-us carriers. So, it is hard to say that AA and UA are "dominating" at LAX.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 41):
Total long-haul international flights from LAX each day: ~55 (give or take a few for certain days)
Of the 55, NW has 1, AA has 2, and UA has 2 (soon 4). Remaining flights are non-us carriers. So, it is hard to say that AA and UA are "dominating" at LAX.



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 37):
Oh please, come on, just about all on frigging regional jets flown by its express partners!

I don't understand why some people have the idea that an international flight has to be a 744 or 380 across the Pacific or Atlantic........comes to my mind the recent thread on "CO becoming a ""true"" int'l airline".........a LAX-TIJ flight on a CR2 is as international as a LAX-MEL on a 380. That's a fact nobody can argue about it,

Other thing is to compare who has the largest long haul network, but when referring to "int'l flights" that's when it goes from one country to another and that's it.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 40):

Both of these being little more than your biased and unsubstantiated opinions....

Not particularly. United has the largest base of FFers in the area and the most established presence in the market, hence the most growth potential.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 41):

I said WN has more flights from LAX than UA. I never said anything about pax.

Given that United runs a lot of lower capacity aircraft into LAX, the numbers are likely still in United's favor
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 41):
Total long-haul international flights from LAX each day: ~55 (give or take a few for certain days)
Of the 55, NW has 1, AA has 2, and UA has 2 (soon 4). Remaining flights are non-us carriers. So, it is hard to say that AA and UA are "dominating" at LAX

Currently, UA has 1xLHR, 1xNRT, and 1x SYD. Come December, they will also have 1x HKG and 1xFRA, as well as an extra section of SYD so a total of 6 international long hauls. If they get approval for PVG, that will give them 6-7 seasonally. Excluding QF which uses LAX as a mini-hub so to speak, that is more than any other single international carrier at the airport.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 41):
I said WN has more flights from LAX than UA. I never said anything about pax.

Look at my post in Reply 34 regarding operations.

UA still has more flights (operations) then SWA. Matter of fact double. SWA runs about ~110 daily ops, while United has about ~230.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 41):
So, it is hard to say that AA and UA are "dominating" at LAX.

LAXSpotters comments still pretty much hold true. Amongst the ~100 airlines that serve LAX, AA and UA together have about ~40% of all the boardings. Those are pretty strong numbers for a market as large as LA that is not a single airline hub airport like DFW etc..
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:48 am

HELL YEAH!!! Score one for the hometown!!!!

If I were still in LA, I would be on the first flight.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Of all the U.S. carriers at LAX, DL has the largest international market share (21 destinations in Latin America), and they have the greatest potential for international growth at LAX.

I strongly disagree on DL having the best chances for growth at LAX. UA and AA are established at LAX, DL is a newcomer. DL has a very large uphill battle to fight to gain some sort of supremacy at LAX (which Im not sure they will win). UA has already shown that they fight dirty and will defend LAX to the end. DL is a good carrier and I do like them, but I think they might be biting off more than they can chew at LAX.
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 13):
Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

The Asian carriers at LAX blow UA out of the water (sky?) but less so to Europe and coach on a UA 772 is probably better than coach on a LH 744. Being able to get to the main Star Alliance hub in Europe on UA metal from LAX is probably a benefit to most Los Angeles passengers.

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 28):
Does UA perform T7 maintenance at LAX, or will aircraft rotate to DEN, ORD, or IAD for maintenance?

They can probably rotate the aircraft for maintenance with 772s that operate most days on LAX-IAD.

Quoting CyberUAL (Reply 36):
Now the question is, will passengers clear customs in t-6 or bus to TBIT. If it's TBIT, good luck.

I would have to figure that they would use T-6. Why would they use TBIT? 777/747 gate space is at a premium at LAX but they have enough for one more daily flight.
 
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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:02 am

You could not pay me to fly UA or any other U.S. carrier to FRA; LH service in both classes makes UA look llike crap(which it is), even more so for the economy traveler. LH is usually about the same price anyways, if not, Its worth the 100-300 dollar difference, to be treated like a human and not cargo in economy. Im glad LAX is getting more european service; it just sucks it has to be one of the hosts of Shi** carriers of the U.S. Would have been nicer if LH had added more flights in staid. Oh well i guess there has to be some one out there who provides substandard service...

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RE: United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting PA101 (Reply 27):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 23):

They did it with a 747-200, but stopped 15 years ago.

It didn't stop too long ago - however, NZ didn't fly daily (I think, the max was 4-weekly). The actually did use a 744 for quite some time.

If memory correct, NZ's LAX-FRA was less than 4 a week. I recall for quite a while it was just once a week and I always wondered why they bothered.