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Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:50 am

What is going on at CVG?? I don't understand what deltas master plans are for CVG??? maybe someone can fill me in. I am guessing that DL does not really know either.

Its almost a focus city right now barely holding onto its hub name. Last time i was there it looked pretty dead not crowded at all, most gates were empty and looked hardly used. Very clean hub though and pretty nice. Even huge markets such as EWR, PHL, DCA, IAD, MIA, cannot support ANY mainline service. These markets use to see 757s and even 767s to CVG? It really has become RJ central. Even JFK sees 1 mainline fligth a day and thats a delta hub. some ATL flights have even been reduced to CRJs. I know delta has a shortage of mainline planes but it makes lots of profit in CVG. Does anyone think that mainline service will resume in the future or will it remain the RJ capital of the world???

DL seems to be putting all mainline aircraft on JFK, SLC, ATL routes and it is very clear, that this is DLs future. Even though im sure CVG is larger it reminds me of MEM, PIT, STL the red headed step children in the airline world. Its a shame because CVG offers some great alternatives on the east coast to delay prown JFK and ATL and could be a good asset for DL. Has anyone in CVG seen any recent additions of flights, new destinations, or reductions?? Is the CVG area loosing population or is DL just being smart and making tons of money with little competition and using few mainline aircraft???
 
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
DL seems to be putting all mainline aircraft on JFK, SLC, ATL routes

RDU has 1 mainline flight to CVG.. although it is one way...
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:20 am

The funny thing about CVG is right now the only other mainline service is a UA flight to ORD. Everything else on everyone else in that airport is RJ's, save for the occasional USA3000 flight. The airport itself is a victim of Delta downsizing, high airfares, no LCC presence at all (I believe it may be the largest in the country with no LCC presence), and passengers driving to nearby airports (SDF, DAY, CMH) for cheaper airfares. Delta obviously needs the bigger jets elsewhere in the system to both compete, and be profitable. Without any competitive threat in CVG, Deltas current strategy makes perfect business sense. The question I would ask would be, is CVG at the point now where an LCC is willing to come in and take a stab. Given AirTran's presence in DAY, and WN in CMH, if anyone were to try it, it would probably be JetBlue. Bear in mind, if an LCC does come in and try to start up in CVG, then look for DL to rush mainline planes back in faster than you can say predatory.
 
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
Very clean hub though and pretty nice. Even huge markets such as EWR, PHL, DCA, IAD, MIA, cannot support ANY mainline service.

MIA has mainline service to CVG this winter.
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
Does anyone think that mainline service will resume in the future or will it remain the RJ capital of the world???

I am pretty sure that CVG and CLE make Ohio the RJ capitol of the world, and I love both airports. Maybe them staying RJ flights is a good thing though, they are great connection airports if you can get the schedule and the price.

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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:02 am

I was there Friday evening, every B gate had a mainline aircraft including 4 or 5 B767's, the C and A gates were all RJ's though.
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:04 am

The need to do something with Comair's C concourse. I was their a few months ago and it was well used and looking in bad shape. I had a 2 hour layover in that place to fly on at CRJ-700 to FLL. It was to be a main line plane but, they changed it a week before I left.
But Concourse C need alot of work done.
 
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:14 am

Ahh, remember those days when you were getting off your MD-11 from LAX, to connect to your 738 to RIC in A concourse? I haven't used the train in CVG to connect for years. I remember I used it nearly every time I connected there 7 years ago. Those were the days!
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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
Ahh, remember those days when you were getting off your MD-11 from LAX, to connect to your 738 to RIC in A concourse? I haven't used the train in CVG to connect for years. I remember I used it nearly every time I connected there 7 years ago. Those were the days!

Don't forget the B742 on SN to BRU, or the daily doubles to CDG and LGW.

Now a days, many of us Cincinnatians fly out of DAY or other airports because the fares out of CVG are rediculous. Today I found out that I have to go to BWI next week. Of course I checked CVG and the fare was $1500 for a round-trip non-stop Y class ticket on a cramped RJ. I ended up booking a round-trip non-stop out of DAY for $300 on FL for Y-class on a B717. So what if I have to drive 50 miles....it is a no brainer and the flight will be more comfortable. It has gotten so bad that most companies in Cincinnati are telling their employees to look at alternative airports, such as DAY. DL is a great airline, except at CVG. Despite being a very loyal customers, sitting on 500K skymiles, DL has lost their loyalty from me because of CVG. Many in Cincinnati feel the same way.

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RE: Any Updates On CVG For DL?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:05 pm

DL still seems to be making alot of money in CVG do they own all of the gates why is there just no LCC competition at CVG? Every other DL hub faces FIERCE LCC competition JFK: JetBlue, ATL: Airtran, SLC: Southwest and JetBlue and little old CVG has none??? I am shocked with such high fares and people driving 50 miles to other airports there isnt an LCC forcing there way in any way possible to rent a gate. Its in the best interest of the airport to lower fares and it would be used more. I know that CVG has no tourists flying in, obviously, but with such high fares they are hurting conventions and meetings from happening in the city also