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Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:26 pm

After Alitalia decision to move 16 inter-continental and 150 intra-european flights from MXP to FCO, all Italian medias reported the interest shown by Ryanair to replace Alitalia role at MXP. Ryanair said to be interested in making MXP one of the most important hubs of their network and ready to open 80 new routes, improving also their actual Italian hub, BGY.
Now, a couple of doubts:

Alitalia also operated 16 intercontinental routes that cannot be operated by Ryanair.

MXP is the hub of Easyjet which actually operates with 7-based A319.

Do any of you really think Ryanair can build up a hub at MXP and substitute the role of AZ?

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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting IDISA (Thread starter):
MXP is the hub of Easyjet which actually operates with 7-based A319.

And number 8 on the way, IIRC?

Quoting IDISA (Thread starter):
Do any of you really think Ryanair can build up a hub at MXP and substitute the role of AZ?

Yes, they will be able to build up a base at Ryanair.

No, they will not substitute Alitalia on a one-by-one basis. Alitalia serves primary airports, that are not in the Ryanair network. Ryanair will mostly fly routes that haven't been flown by AZ before.

Actually, I think that easyJet will also use the available space and increase it's base, and take over more of Alitalia's routes. There are many cities flown by Alitalia from MXP, that could also be done by easyJet, like: BUD, VIE, VLC, CMN, BRU, HAM, WAW, KRK, SOF.

easyJet and Ryanair will probably well co-exist, like they do in MAD, STN, LTN, LPL, EMA and BRS, with hardly any route overlap.

I expect intercontinental routes to be picked up by foreign carriers, and they'll probably lose some. AA already announced JFK; I think AC will take over YYZ-MXP (787?  Smile), and BOS will also be possible with an American carrier.
 
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
BUD, VIE, VLC, CMN, BRU, HAM, WAW, KRK, SOF.

EZY could. But I'd also expect FR to fly from MXP to BUD, VLC, WAW (when it finally decides to expand there), and KRK. Of course, FR and EZY do directly compete on some routes already, e.g. LPL-MAD, but actually on very few. However, they do indirectly compete on a lot more routes. In my view there's huge potential for both FR and EZY at MXP. And it'll be very exciting to see what develops.
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:57 pm

Ryanair's interest in Malpensa is covered in this thread; FR Will Invest On MXP And BGY (by ENCRJ Sep 13 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Ryanair's interest in Malpensa is covered in this thread;
FR Will Invest On MXP And BGY (by ENCRJ Sep 13 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Indeed it is. In fact, I think this particular thread is the third on the subject.
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:30 pm

G'day

And not to forget, Air One also has a strong presence in Milan, at both MXP and LIN. They will somehow have to make use of the 90 or so A 320 being delivered and on order, many of which are likely to be employed in Milan. Further they cooperate with LH who also has numerous flights to Milan.

They also have two A 330 coming, which likely will also be used from MXP.

Ryanair will thus thus not be left alone maintaining activities in MXP.

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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 5):
Air One also has a strong presence in Milan, at both MXP and LIN

Air One has no flights at MXP and LIN is a domestic only-airport (except for LCY-TXL routes).
 
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 5):
And not to forget, Air One also has a strong presence in Milan, at both MXP and LIN.

AP is not flying in MXP, apart from some holidays charter flights in the summer. They stopped their line ops almost two years ago, but they will be a welcomed come back, of course.

Many people here in MXP are talking about LH wanting to open a base here, mainly for intercontinental flights, and they surely have the airplanes and money to do it, but they still have to show any official interest in doing that.
FR has been talking about adding flight in MXP also to work as a kind of feeder for other airlines doing long-haul ops, even if they seem to not care at all about other airlines.
U2 is going to add some more flights during the autumn, they also asked to SEA (the airport management here in MXP and LIN) to paint in orange the Terminal 2 in MXP, but they refused to do that.
Even GJ (now part of IG) could be part of an expansion in MXP, since they could add some long-haul flights, like the JFK flights they do already operate from other italian cities, and they have posponed the delivery of another A330-200 that could become useful now.
Not to write off some other airlines like AF-KL, BA and maybe also IB that have been part of many rumors here for a long time.
 
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting Aerofede (Reply 7):
FR has been talking about adding flight in MXP also to work as a kind of feeder for other airlines doing long-haul ops, even if they seem to not care at all about other airlines.

FR won't ever offer connections: they are and will always be a simple point-to-point airline. So anyone wanting to fly with FR and to then connect (either onto another FR flight or a different airline's flight) would have to do as they do at the moment: fly X to Y, get their bags and re-check-in, and then fly Y to Z.
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
FR won't ever offer connections: they are and will always be a simple point-to-point airline. So anyone wanting to fly with FR and to then connect (either onto another FR flight or a different airline's flight) would have to do as they do at the moment: fly X to Y, get their bags and re-check-in, and then fly Y to Z.

As you say, I'm sure they won't offer any connection, but in their press release 2 days ago, they talked about bringing in passenger that could then take a flight with another carrier. Surely they are not going to be the feeder of anyone.

I don't even know if they plan to use T1 or T2, because they are too far away from each other without an efficient connection between them that could help reduce transit time, and most long-haul are operated from T1.
 
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:56 am

Would MyAir be interested in expanding at MXP?
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:05 am

I'd rather fly Alitalia over Ryanair anyday! Although I hope Easyjet will take some over, at least they dont charge for every little thing & more importantly fly into main airports which is more than Ryanair do!
 
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RE: Revolution At MXP?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 11):
I'd rather fly Alitalia over Ryanair anyday!

Then let's hope you book a ticket with AZ and then get stranded when they go bust.
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