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Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:19 pm

I just received the following information from a friend at Aloha. It was released in their employee newsletter today.

Aloha will lease a 737-800 from TransAvia of Holland from November thru April. It will be configured with 12 in First Class and 150 in coach, and will fly mostly on the OGG-SMF route. The freed up 737-700 will either be in maintenance (2 73Ws have heavy checks during this period).

Also, Aloha will start a 2nd daily HNL-SNA route on November 16. AQ 488 will depart HNL at 7:33am and arrive SNA at 3:00pm. AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm. This flight will not operate from Nov 28 thru Dec 5.

Apparently, the 738 will have Aloha's tail design and logo on the fuselage but will look different from the rest of the fleet.

Great news for AQ and hopefully a sign of some more expansion coming down the road!!

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:58 pm

Nice news! Will AQ operate this 738 with their own crew? Are they certified to operate the larger 738 as they also oprate the -700 series model?

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:09 pm

I didn't realize Transavia had a first-class cabin, unless Aloha is configuring it. I know that Sun Country's normal 738 is also 12F/150Y, but when they lease 738s from Transavia in the winter, those planes are all-economy.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:29 pm

So bizarre. While bringing the 738 aboard isn't a stretch (given their 73X fleet), it seems unusual for an established airline to lease a "dissimilar" airframe for a short period of time. Can anyone recall any instances in which other established airlines have done this? Could this be a precursor of future AQ acquisitions? What happened to their E-190 shopping?

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
So bizarre. While bringing the 738 aboard isn't a stretch (given their 73X fleet), it seems unusual for an established airline to lease a "dissimilar" airframe for a short period of time

I'm not why you would call a 700 vs 800 dissimilar, but I'm sure it boils down to the fact that when looking for a ETOPS certified 737NG thats available for a short term lease you can't be to picky.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:07 pm

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
Great news for AQ and hopefully a sign of some more expansion coming down the road!!

All AQ has to do now is get out of the red financially.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:17 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 2):
I didn't realize Transavia had a first-class cabin, unless Aloha is configuring it. I know that Sun Country's normal 738 is also 12F/150Y, but when they lease 738s from Transavia in the winter, those planes are all-economy.

Good point, Transavia operates both low fare and holiday flights in Europe (some are long segments....say AMS to the Canaries) but I have never seen a Transavia airplane with a F class cabin....I guess that Aloha will reconfigure the airplanes for the lease period.

I assume that the subject 738 is fully equipped for over water operations.....does the airplane have all of the required ETOPS equipment (to my knowledge, Transavia does not operate any routes that fall under ETOPS guidelines.) Will either Aloha or Transavia be required to upgrade the airplane or its equipment for this lease? And,are there any special ETOPS rules or guidelines concerning leased in airplanes? This is something that I dont think has been discussed.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):

Transavia used to lease and operate flights for Air Paradise (Bali, Indonesia) during peak season. I'm pretty sure the planes used where Transavia with an Air Paradise Tail.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm.

Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?

And a -800... does this mean they are thinking of expanding?
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):

Not really. They needed a plane (a 73NG would be preferable) with ETOPS which can cover flights which it is needed (Mainland) so that they can put their own aircraft through maintainance. I know that 5 months is a very short time, but I think the point is that they only need it for 5 months and want to keep the airline as 73G only (I know about 732s) for the maximum amount of time to keep costs down.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 2):
I didn't realize Transavia had a first-class cabin, unless Aloha is configuring it. I know that Sun Country's normal 738 is also 12F/150Y, but when they lease 738s from Transavia in the winter, those planes are all-economy.

Sounds like AQ will be reconfiguring it since Transavia's 737-800s have 186 seats, all-economy, only 3 less than the maximum permitted.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:30 am

Aren't the 737NG flight decks the same? Flight crews are cross-qualified for the -600 to the -900, right?

757 and 767 crews are cross-qualified ...

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm?

Well ... that would apply to every other flight that arrives from the mainland or Canada in the evening ...
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?

There are people who would rather go straight from work, to the airport and arrive in Hawai'i that day, so they can ahve the whole day the next day. This also allows onward connections to and from SNA....perhaps some codesharing with United will develop from ORD/IAD??

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm?

who wants to get up at 5am to get to the airport in time for an 8am flight just to arrive in Hawaii at 11am and then get to your hotel only to find out that you can't check in until 4pm?  Wink

arriving at 8pm is a little late, but it does get you into your final destination at 8pm (not an HNL flight) and you get to your hotel and can still have dinner and a drink. I arrived KOA at about 8pm when I went, connecting in HNL, and it was nice.

I also assume that a 4pm departure allows you to put in a 1/2 day of work and even put the kids in school for 1/2 a day if needed before you leave. This is desirable for many people.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:05 am

i remember seeing Sun Country with a leased 738 from Transavia a while ago here in Las Vegas...it had me very confused for a while..
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 14):

Sun Country leases I think 3 Transavia planes every year. In return I think that SY planes go across the pond as well. Its a long standing agreement between the 2 carriers to help with each airlines high season since they are different. SY high season is winter, Transavia in the summer.

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:58 am

It sounded from what i read from AQ that OGG-SMF is one of their stronger routes and can use the extra lift. Hopefully it will do well and they might get a few more 738s permanently to increase their lift. This has been a rumour for some time and it seems to be coming to fruition.

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
Also, Aloha will start a 2nd daily HNL-SNA route on November 16. AQ 488 will depart HNL at 7:33am and arrive SNA at 3:00pm. AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm. This flight will not operate from Nov 28 thru Dec 5.

This is great news! SNA has been excellent for AQ.

As for the times, it'll be great to nonrev without having to get up at 6:00 for an 8:30 departure.

738...hmm...perhaps a bit of a test run? Maybe we'll see more in the future.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Sun Country leases I think 3 Transavia planes every year. In return I think that SY planes go across the pond as well. Its a long standing agreement between the 2 carriers to help with each airlines high season since they are different. SY high season is winter, Transavia in the summer.

Transavia has had ""exchange"" agreements with many different airlines over the years.....leasing out its airplanes over the winter period (when its holiday charter flying decreases) and leasing in airplanes over the summer period (when holiday charter flying increases). There is a huge amount of seasonality regarding European holiday flights, especially with the short to medium haul aircraft......far less people on vacation during the winter, and far less destinations to fly the shorter haul airplanes to: European beach destinations such as Ibiza, the Greek islands, etc are simply too cold in the winter and service only operates during the summer months.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:34 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?

A lot of airlines have arrivals around 8pm. A lot from the west coast get in around that time.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:24 am

Now that United bought a major stake in Aloha, is United going to start ground handling Aloha at some of its mainland stations? SAN, SNA and SMF come to mind.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:02 am

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 12):
perhaps some codesharing with United will develop from ORD/IAD??

While I would love to see AQ expand their mainland network (especially to include ORD and preferably with their own metal), I don't think that UA needs AQ for services beyond their inter-island network. UA's mainland-Hawaii capacity is probably greater than that of any other carrier (except possible HA). But you never know, would be interesting.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:14 am

As far as codesharing with UA it was mentioned previously that UA might want to reduce its presence on the neighbor islands and focus on HNL. The idea being that AQ with its smaller planes can fly the routes to OGG/KOA/LIH. Another reason to codshare out of SNA is that UA has a HUGE frequent flyer base in the LA area and many of them would probably appreciate flying out of SNA instead of LAX. It will definately be interesting to see how the UA/AQ partnership proceeds. I know AQ specifically renegotiated their F/A contract to allow codesharing on trans-pac routes, which was previously prohibited.

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:18 am

That's interesting, maybe they will codeshare. Although if UA still has the PHH contract, I don't know how much they can/will want to reduce their flying to the smaller islands. Time will tell I guess.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
Also, Aloha will start a 2nd daily HNL-SNA route on November 16. AQ 488 will depart HNL at 7:33am and arrive SNA at 3:00pm. AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm.



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
I also assume that a 4pm departure allows you to put in a 1/2 day of work and even put the kids in school for 1/2 a day if needed before you leave. This is desirable for many people.

This schedule also serves another purpose: it puts the a/c overnight in HNL rather than at an outstation. When AQ flew its short-lived SAN-HNL flight back in 2005, it was on essentially this same schedule. I believe the flight stopped because the plane (along with others?) was returned to the lessor, and not necessarily due to poor performance.

With this arrival time in the Islands, you do miss one entire day of beach time but there are benefits to the schedule (as have already been noted by others.) The return from HNL is early but, again, does have its bennies.

I'm glad to see even temporary expansion from the Aloha camp and I hope there will be more soon! I for one would sure love to see SAN-HNL-SAN return and maybe even KOA and/or LIH.... (Their SAN-OGG flight has been operating continuously for almost 3 years now, a couple of those years competing head-to-head with Pualani, so I assume it has been successful enough...)

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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:26 pm

Way back in the 70's & 80's Aloha leased 737-200 aircraft from other carriers. I seem to recall one from Air Florida another from Britannia, Air Cal and others.
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
who wants to get up at 5am to get to the airport in time for an 8am flight just to arrive in Hawaii at 11am and then get to your hotel only to find out that you can't check in until 4pm?

thats why it is good to know the manager, the receptionist, and your maid, along with being a Platinum starwood member so when i show up i am greeted by name from friends i have made, but that might not be the case for everyone
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 26):
along with being a Platinum starwood member so when i show up i am greeted by name from friends i have made, but that might not be the case for everyone

You must be the only 16-20 year old Starwood Platinum member (requires 25 stays a year).
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 25):
Way back in the 70's & 80's Aloha leased 737-200 aircraft from other carriers. I seem to recall one from Air Florida another from Britannia, Air Cal and others.

Ironically, considering the carrier involved in the AQ lease, Air Florida also leased a 737-200 from Transavia during the winter season for a few years.


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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:56 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
You must be the only 16-20 year old Starwood Platinum member (requires 25 stays a year).

its my dads but he takes me with him on every trip just to fly on the plane because the business will pay for family to go for free, pretty fun for an airplane lover
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 29):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
You must be the only 16-20 year old Starwood Platinum member (requires 25 stays a year).

its my dads but he takes me with him on every trip just to fly on the plane because the business will pay for family to go for free, pretty fun for an airplane lover

Sounds like a very good deal!!
 
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
You must be the only 16-20 year old Starwood Platinum member (requires 25 stays a year).

And the youngest 767 captain, too!  Smile

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 29):
its my dads but he takes me with him on every trip just to fly on the plane because the business will pay for family to go for free, pretty fun for an airplane lover

Yeah, my dad used to take us places as a kid when he was doing contract work for Hyatt International, and yes we could get into our rooms whenever we needed them (even 10am), get to use "day rooms" when our flight was leaving late, got free upgrades to the club floors, and all that stuff. it was nice.

alas, I'm an adult now, and I have to worry about things like early check-in, half days and all that stuff. and most people flying Aloha are not going to have access to 10am checkins.

you'll get older, grasshopper, and the realities of life will smack you in the face pretty hard...  Wink
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 20):

Now that United bought a major stake in Aloha, is United going to start ground handling Aloha at some of its mainland stations? SAN, SNA and SMF come to mind.

I heard that unfortunately, AQ is staying with ATS at least in the short term at SNA.
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RE: Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months

Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:00 am

Regarding the -800 vs. the -700, the new FAA ETOPS rules (effective this past February) makes the -800 viable for routes between Hawaii and the west coast that were possible with a -700 before but not the -800 (because the critical fuel requirements have been rationalized). If Aloha could, I'll bet they'd wave their magic wand and turn all their -700 into -800 right now, since the -800 is much more economical for low-frequency/low-yield flights.
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