m992910
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Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:35 am

Greetings everyone, this is my first post, so please give me a free pass on this one. I grew up in Austin, TX and have great memories of Mueller and then Bergstrom. I still remember AA DC-10's flying in to Mueller, and all the long lines for SWA flights in the "new" addition. I've followed the city's aviation growth over the years and seen the number of nonstops grow exponentially. I know the airport will never attract quite the number of passengers as DFW or IAH, but I think the airport is ripe for growth; increasing population in the metro area, great economy, and wonderful place to live. American has added the SEA and SNA NS flights, and I have seen the rumors of MIA and JFK. To me, even though SWA is the #1 airline in Austin in terms of passengers, I think American does have an opportunity to expand and become the #1 airline in town. Obviously, gate space is an issue. The aiport should have added several gates to the west end a few years ago. Looking at www.bts.gov, about 3100 people a day traveled to DFW, DAL, IAH, and HOU in June. I know they're not all ending their trips there, so where are they travelling to? Seems to me an opportunity for some airline (AA) to capitalize on this. And it sounds like they will eventually, but who and where. I know Austin may be a focus city for American, is their a possibility it could become a sort of relief valve for DFW? (If I was travelling across country and had a choice to change planes in AUS or DFW, I'd choose AUS! I can't stand DFW) I'd love for bigger aircraft to come through, more NS and frequencies would be nice too. I know Austin is just outside the limit for LGA, but any way that can be waived? Any chance of a DCA slot? I know AA would do very well on these routes. Also, any possibility of US Airways launchnig a nonstop to PHL or CLT? That seems like an obvious void in their system that needs to be filled. I'm also surprised AirTran has not launched service, thus Delta has a monopoly on flights to Atlanta. JetBlue seems to be doing quite well, any chance of a LGB or OAK flight? Anyways, these are just some of my thoughts.... Can't wait to see ExpressJet's numbers this week.

I still miss Mueller though....
 
m992910
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:10 am

I mistyped the number going to DFW, DAL, IAH and HOU. Should be 3900 people per day. Thanks and sorry
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:49 am

Greetings from Austin, Robert,

Well, technically I'm in Georgetown right now, but I'm from Austin (at college now), but what's the difference?! I agree with a lot of what you say. AUS has become a fantastic airport, with service virtually unrivaled by any other city of the same size, save perhaps for an airport like BNA.

In terms of new service, YX starts service to MCI tomorrow (9/17), using CRJs. Will be interesting to see how that works out.

As you mentioned, for AA, MIA and JFK have been spinning in the rumor mill for a long time now, and I expect they'll be announced soon. AA axed the 757s to SJC, however it is possible that that is only a seasonal aircraft change. SEA appears to be seasonal, as it disappears during the December change, but returns during the April change, at least per AA timetable. Personally, it seems to me that AA may very well have to start using bigger planes, or really crack down on flights that are only marginally successful, because gate space is at a premium. Right now, AA has 5 gates, working toward 40 flights a day, including American Eagle. Unfortunately, bigger planes are being utilized near maximum capacity right now, especially with the use of 757s across the pond. As the next wave of 738s comes online, we may see more of those, in addition to the Super 80s. We may see more 757s again, before too long. From what I understand, they went out packed.

In terms of FL, I'm surprised they haven't thought about AUS yet. It'd definitely be worth a venture to try to steal some of the ATL and SE US traffic away from DL.

Same could be said for US. I'm surprised they haven't started CLT at the very least. PHL might be a bit of a stretch, not really sure what the numbers are (please direct me further to that city-pair list, I can't find it).

XE is real interesting...I'm eagerly awaiting their numbers, too. I don't expect them to be real impressive, though. I'm not too sure they need to be.

I'll always have fond memories of Mueller, since it was with me for my first 10 years of life, but ABIA is really, really nice. Far and away better than Mueller.

Cheers,
Cameron


As for DCA and LGA, I believe AUS is outside the perimeter for DCA as well, so I'd assume that's a no go as well, unfortunately. AA would make a killing on a DCA route, if you ask me.

It'd be interesting to see B6 open up their AUS routes a little bit. As it is right now, they're pretty much completely O&D to NYC and Boston.
Cheers,
Cameron
 
m992910
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:16 pm

Cameron, thanks for the news. I fly home about once a year, and the place does seem to get busier and busier. I have not flown on the SEA flights, but my family has in the past month, and every flight to/from SEA was packed. Even bought my tickets on this flight home for Xmas, only to find out a month later it was seasonal. Real bummer man! I knew about the perimeter rule on DCA and LGA, but Alaska flies NS to DCA from LAX! Obviously, there are exceptions. I'm thinking once US gets some more E190's they'll add a CLT flight. Do you know how to get city-pair info? I thought that was priveleged info for the airlines? Funny how Austin never had NS service to MCI, now 2 airlines are providing it. MCI is nice, but MKE would be even better. Other than JFK and MIA being announced by years end, what other NS service do you expect to see in the next year?
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:28 pm

Lordy, I remember when I moved to AUS, the only carriers serving were Texas International and (of course) Braniff International. BN flew non-stop to DC. My how times have changed.

Bergstrom as the main city airport is an outstanding use of a valuable resource, but It is a crime that the city was so shortsighted that they did not retain Mueller, in a single-runway configuration, as a GA reliever; Bergstrom is a very poor answer to the needs of general aviation.
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:28 pm

AUS is doing very well, and is growing...to some extent OUTgrowing itself. I was disappointed the airport was not designed with the growth in mind. That said, there are only two options to continue the growth. 1) Expansion...unlikely for the main terminal....a second terminal is a possibility (and an Ultra Low Cost Terminal has been approved by the city council...basically a warehouse). 2) Bigger aircraft. At UA we still see a LOT of RJ's, although AA almost exclusively uses the M80's...I saw twin 757's a week ago...

Gate space for everyone is at a premium. UA used to have 21, 23, and 25; however 25 has become a relief gate for AA (ERJ's and an occasional M80) and we have had to use F9's 24 a few times. Every gate is occupied, and I don't really see how anyone can afford to give up a gate, we certainly can't. Perhaps B6 and F9 could share a gate...their flights seem to be timed right for that, but I don't see it happening. WN uses ALL of their gates ALL of the time, and its an odd chance that you see an AA gate vacant for long. That said, I am not really sure what the other end of the terminal looks like...though it seems XJet often has several aircraft gathered around their single (ground level) gate.

Hope this information is helpful...and maybe we'll see some more large aircraft before long. CO uses 1 or 2 757's per day (depending on the day I think).

Mike S. in AUS
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:39 pm

Sorry, I got into a rant and missed a point...

Don't the restrictions at LGA and DCA ease for Saturday and/or Sunday? Do they currently make use of those and if not, could they? Is the demand there?

I think DCA has 5 slots at large, three of which UA uses for DEN flights...

Maybe some NE guys could help with the logistics and specifics of LGA and DCA.

Mike S. in AUS
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
Lordy, I remember when I moved to AUS, the only carriers serving were Texas International and (of course) Braniff International. BN flew non-stop to DC. My how times have changed.

Bergstrom as the main city airport is an outstanding use of a valuable resource, but It is a crime that the city was so shortsighted that they did not retain Mueller, in a single-runway configuration, as a GA reliever; Bergstrom is a very poor answer to the needs of general aviation.

Your forgot Continental. They were the 3rd carrier there in the 1960's and 70's before WN and deregulation. They flew to IAH/HOU and out west to LBB/MAF/ELP/ABQ and west as well as to DEN via LBB or MAF.

That BN nonstop to DC was started during the LBJ presidency and went on to JFK.
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:54 am

Does anyone have an update regarding VivaAerobus's planned service to AUS from MTY? Has construction of the Warehouse-Terminal started yet?

Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:10 am

Welcome to A.net!!!

Both of my parents are from Waco, so I fly into AUS quite frequently now that they both live there again. Growing up in Los Angeles, we used to have to mess with DFW, but we were very excited when AA started AUS-LAX. Now that I live in Chicago, I have even more options to get down there. I love the AUS airport, its is so easy, clean and efficient. Like clockwork I always get Schlotzkys before I board. But Mullers location was much better having to get to Waco than is Bergstrom. But Bergstrom is one of the nicest airports ive been too.
It is what it is...
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 7):
Your forgot Continental.

And they even flew 720Bs routing IAH-AUS-MAF at one point. Did BN ever operate their 707/720s into Austin?
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting TCFC424 (Reply 5):
Hope this information is helpful...and maybe we'll see some more large aircraft before long. CO uses 1 or 2 757's per day (depending on the day I think).

Indeed--I was surprised to get on a 753 from IAH on the evening of 5 Oct. Definitely supports your theory.
Jack @ AUS
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting Western727 (Reply 11):

Indeed--I was surprised to get on a 753 from IAH on the evening of 5 Oct. Definitely supports your theory.

Seasonal, during the fall. Looks like they're gone again in December, unfortunately.

Hopefully, AA will bring back the 757, I miss it.  Sad

Cheers,
Cameron
Cheers,
Cameron
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 12):
Seasonal, during the fall. Looks like they're gone again in December, unfortunately.


I was afraid of that! Good to know; thanks, Cameron.

Jack

[Edited 2007-09-21 04:50:35]
Jack @ AUS
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting M992910 (Thread starter):
Greetings everyone, this is my first post, so please give me a free pass on this one. I grew up in Austin, TX and have great memories of Mueller and then Bergstrom. I still remember AA DC-10's flying in to Mueller, and all the long lines for SWA flights in the "new" addition. I've followed the city's aviation growth over the years and seen the number of nonstops grow exponentially. I know the airport will never attract quite the number of passengers as DFW or IAH, but I think the airport is ripe for growth; increasing population in the metro area, great economy, and wonderful place to live. American has added the SEA and SNA NS flights, and I have seen the rumors of MIA and JFK. To me, even though SWA is the #1 airline in Austin in terms of passengers, I think American does have an opportunity to expand and become the #1 airline in town. Obviously, gate space is an issue. The aiport should have added several gates to the west end a few years ago. Looking at www.bts.gov, about 3100 people a day traveled to DFW, DAL, IAH, and HOU in June. I know they're not all ending their trips there, so where are they travelling to? Seems to me an opportunity for some airline (AA) to capitalize on this. And it sounds like they will eventually, but who and where. I know Austin may be a focus city for American, is their a possibility it could become a sort of relief valve for DFW? (If I was travelling across country and had a choice to change planes in AUS or DFW, I'd choose AUS! I can't stand DFW) I'd love for bigger aircraft to come through, more NS and frequencies would be nice too. I know Austin is just outside the limit for LGA, but any way that can be waived? Any chance of a DCA slot? I know AA would do very well on these routes. Also, any possibility of US Airways launchnig a nonstop to PHL or CLT? That seems like an obvious void in their system that needs to be filled. I'm also surprised AirTran has not launched service, thus Delta has a monopoly on flights to Atlanta. JetBlue seems to be doing quite well, any chance of a LGB or OAK flight? Anyways, these are just some of my thoughts.... Can't wait to see ExpressJet's numbers this week.

I still miss Mueller though....

Wow we think just alike. Welcome to airliners.net. As my username suggests i'm obsessed with ABIA.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
I love the AUS airport, its is so easy, clean and efficient.

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RE: Aviation In Austin

Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:23 pm

Quoting TCFC424 (Reply 6):
Don't the restrictions at LGA and DCA ease for Saturday and/or Sunday? Do they currently make use of those and if not, could they? Is the demand there?

LGA is slot exempt on Saturdays only.

DCA is slot restricted as well but doesn't have the Saturday rule. There are a few slot exemptions out there, AS to LAX, a US/HP LAS Red-eye, and a couple PHX flights as well as DEN IIRC.
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
Same could be said for US. I'm surprised they haven't started CLT at the very least. PHL might be a bit of a stretch, not really sure what the numbers are (please direct me further to that city-pair list, I can't find it).

US announced back in August or September of 2001 that they'd begin flying AUS-CLT. The service was scheduled for three roundtrips per day and was supposed to have started in December of 2001. The September 11 Attacks put an end to those flights before they ever started.

There are more O&D passengers between AUS-PHL than there are between AUS-CLT. I "think" PHL is the most popular destination out of AUS that currently does not have nonstop service. (Used to be that honor went to SEA until AA started their new n/s service.)

For City-Pair information you can go to DOT's Consumer Airfare Report here:

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...le_files/consumerairfarereport.htm

Look in Table 6. That table lists the number of passengers on average who travel between the two cities on a daily basis. All city-pairs with at least 10 passengers per day are listed. Each city pair is listed once under whatever city in the pair comes first alphabetically. The most current data is for Q1 2007.

Quoting M992910 (Reply 3):
Funny how Austin never had NS service to MCI, now 2 airlines are providing it.

Vanguard offered n/s service between AUS & MCI from January 8, 2001 until July 30, 2002 when they filed for bankruptcy. Midwest Express came in November 2002 and briefly offered two nonstops to MCI, but I believe they were gone by the end of Q1 2003.

LoneStarMike
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:50 am

So what's stopping US Airways from launching service to CLT or even PHL? Is it lack of aircraft? Do you think they'll announce it soon? Seems to me an obvious hole in their network.
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:54 pm

Anyone been flying ExpressJet out of Austin yet? I am taking my first trip on XJet in a couple weeks from AUS-MCI. My friends that have flown on them say good things. Good price, and beats the hell out of stopping at Love Field to get anywhere around here for a decent price. Not making the round trip, as I have to go somewhere else the next day, but I am interested to see how it goes!

I would also have to agree with most here. ABIA is a very, very convenient airport to fly out of, to say the least! And it works out to be not far from downtown, either, at least via cab. The cabbies always ask me first thing if I am going to Cedar Park. Ha! Sucks for them, take me to Congress and Mary! (or better yet, straight to the Horseshoe!) So much for waiting in line for two hours for a twenty dollar cab ride for those drivers. But yes, great airport, great service, pretty much great everything all around. The airport seems like it is ahead of its time, at least when it comes to room in the terminal. I know there have been gate space grumblings, but, it is still pretty good. You can get damn near anywhere you really need to in the country (or out, for that matter) within a pretty reasonable time.
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 16):
I "think" PHL is the most popular destination out of AUS that currently does not have nonstop service.

South Florida is, at 298 daily passengers. Though, they shouldn't be without non-stops to Austin for long...
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting M992910 (Thread starter):
Can't wait to see ExpressJet's numbers this week.

ABIA released the August Activity Report and press release yesterday.

http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/austinairport/actov_aug07.htm

ACTIVITY OVERVIEW
August 2007


Passenger Activity: Total passenger traffic for August 2007 was 814,060, up 17% compared to August 2006. August 2007 enplanements totaled 409,276, up 17.5%. Southwest Airlines passengers totaled 267,793, up 7.5% compared to August 2006; American Airlines passengers totaled 218,882, up 12%; Continental Airlines passengers totaled 86,439, up 7%; Delta Air Lines (including SkyWest Airlines, Shuttle America, and Atlantic Southeast Airlines) passengers totaled 78,456, up 62.5%; United Airlines (including SkyWest and Mesa) passengers totaled 37,896, down 4%; U.S. Airways (including Mesa) passengers totaled 27,845, up 19%; ExpressJet totaled 26,347; JetBlue Airways passengers totaled 22,865, up 18%; Frontier Airlines passengers totaled 22,603, up 49%; Northwest Airlines (including Pinnacle Airlines) passengers totaled 21,328, down 1.5%. Aeromexico totaled 3,282.

August 2007 air cargo totaled 18,989,512 lbs., down 7.5% compared to August 2006. International air cargo totaled 447,391 lbs., up 27.5%. Federal Express carried 9.8 million lbs., down 10%; ABX Air, Inc. carried 3.6 million lbs., up 12%; and United Parcel Service carried 2.7 million lbs., down 7.5%.

Air Services transferred 213,142 lbs. of mail, down 43.5%; and 1.7 million lbs. of belly freight, down 23%.

Aircraft Operations: General Aviation operations totaled 6,631, down 4%. Combined operations (including Commercial and military) totaled 19,233, down 4%.

January – August 2007 Year-to-Date

Passenger Activity: Total passenger traffic for January – August YTD was 5,932,504, up 8% compared to January – August 2006. January – August 2007 enplanements totaled 3,039,914, up 8.5%. Southwest Airlines passengers totaled 2,020,414, up 4%; American Airlines (including Trans States Airlines) passengers totaled 1,610,179, up 5%; Continental Airlines passengers totaled 690,034, up 4.5%; Delta Air Lines (including SkyWest Airlines, Shuttle America, and Atlantic Southeast Airlines) passengers 559,544, up 32.5%; United Airlines (including SkyWest, and Mesa) passengers totaled 283,324, down 12%; U.S. Airways (including Mesa) passengers totaled 189,900, up 5%; Northwest Airlines (including Pinnacle Airlines) passengers totaled 162,005, down 0.8%; JetBlue Airways passengers totaled 160,510, up 10%; Frontier Airlines passengers totaled 148,934, up 21%. ExpressJet totaled 85,850 passengers. Aeromexico totaled 19,172 passengers.

August YTD (January – August 2007) air cargo totaled 136,966,235 lbs., down 9.5%. International air cargo totaled 3,258,184 lbs., up 17%. Federal Express carried 69.6 million lbs., down 13.5%; ABX Air, Inc. carried 22.6 million lbs., down 2.5%; and United Parcel Service carried 21.5 million lbs., up 8%.

Air Services transferred 2,798,266 lbs., of mail, down 41.5% and 15,653,507 million lbs., of belly freight, up 3%.

Aircraft Operations: General Aviation operations totaled 47,590 for January – August YTD, down 10%. Combined operations (including Commercial and military) totaled 138,229, down .5%.


Just a couple of observations. Although Expressjet's load factor is still under 50%, they are continuing to show growth, although their numbers will probably drop back some in September. Here are their totals at AUS since April:

April - 2,813
May - 12,064
June - 19,470
July - 25,156,
August - 26,347

So far this year, AUS has set 4 new all-time monthly passengers. March set a new record with 767,364 passengers. That was beaten in May which had 781,855 passengers. June beat that with 801,185 passengers, and July is the current all-time record with 832,455 passengers.

For the first 8 months of the year, AUS is 434,827 ahead of Jan - Aug's 2006 totals or up 8%. If we could end the year with an overall ytd gain of 9% of more, we would barely break the 9 million mark. I'm not really expecting it, but I guess it would be possible.

LoneStarMike

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
South Florida is, at 298 daily passengers. Though, they shouldn't be without non-stops to Austin for long...

Ah...you're right. I was scanning individual airports real quick and didn't think to add the South Florida Airports together. As far as new n/s to South Florida from AUS, I assume you're referring to the long-rumored AA service to MIA, but I wonder if B6 could counter with an AUS-FLL n/s? Depending on the timing, gate space wouldn't seem to be an issue for B6, as they only use their gate 4 times per day.

LoneStarMike
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):
Ah...you're right. I was scanning individual airports real quick and didn't think to add the South Florida Airports together. As far as new n/s to South Florida from AUS, I assume you're referring to the long-rumored AA service to MIA, but I wonder if B6 could counter with an AUS-FLL n/s? Depending on the timing, gate space wouldn't seem to be an issue for B6, as they only use their gate 4 times per day.

MIA-AUS on MIA is currently looking at 31Jan08, daily 738. This is subject to change, and honestly, I think it will be delayed again.
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:30 pm

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):
Passenger Activity: Total passenger traffic for August 2007 was 814,060, up 17% compared to August 2006. August 2007 enplanements totaled 409,276, up 17.5%.



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):
Delta Air Lines (including SkyWest Airlines, Shuttle America, and Atlantic Southeast Airlines) passengers totaled 78,456, up 62.5%;



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):
Frontier Airlines passengers totaled 22,603, up 49%;

Impressive numbers.
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 8):
Does anyone have an update regarding VivaAerobus's planned service to AUS from MTY? Has construction of the Warehouse-Terminal started yet?

Our local NBC affiliate here in Austin just had a story on this tonight. It's on the agenda for Thursday's (September 27, 2007) City Council meeting. If approved, the news story said the terminal would probably be completed sometime in Spring, 2008.

Here's the link to the council agenda:

http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/council_m...c_meeting_agenda.cfm?meetingid=104

It's Item 8:

8 . Authorize negotiation and execution of a lease and related documents and agreements with GE Commercial Aviation Services, LLC for up to 40 acres of land at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport to construct, operate and maintain a low cost “no-frills” airport terminal, and associated uses including, but not limited to, car parking, rental car facilities, and ground transportation staging for a term not to exceed thirty years from the date of beneficial occupancy of the new terminal at a rental of not less than $0.22 per square foot plus a percentage of net revenue. Recommended by the Austin Airport Advisory Commission. Related to item # 78.

And Item 78:

78 . Discuss lease of land at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport to GE Commercial Aviation Services LLC for a low cost airport terminal (Real Property - Section 551. 072). Related to #8.

As far as I know, VivaAeroBus wants to start flights in November. I went back and found a couple of articles from earlier this summer.

This article from June mentioned:

given the tight time frame - vivaAeroBus would like
to start flights by Thanksgiving, assuming it can get approval from the
Federal Aviation Administration by then - the initial flights probably would
use the main terminal.


But GE would probably begin construction of a tentlike interim facility, to
be followed by a modular permanent facility in perhaps 18 months.


There was another recent article a couple of weeks ago about GE doing this at other airports, but it mainly focused on Austin.

GE Turns Gateless Airports Into Work With 60% Margins

When VivaAeroBus applied with DOT, someone posted the link and in it was their proposed schedule, which I guess is subject to change. Scroll down to Exhibit B.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/480583.pdf

Flight # - Route - Freq - Dep - Arr

900 - MTY-AUS - Daily - 05:30 - 07:00
901 - AUS-MTY - Daily - 13:35 - 15:05
902 - MTY-AUS - Daily - 14:05 - 15:35
903 - AUS-MTY - Daily - 22:10 - 23:40
910 - AUS-GDL - Daily - 07:35 - 10:05
911 - GDL-AUS - Daily - 10:30 - 13:00
920 - PBC-AUS - Daily - 17:35 - 19:50
921 - AUS-PBC - Daily - 20:25 - 22:40
930 - BJX-AUS - 1357 - 07:20 - 09:20
931 - AUS-BJX - 1357 - 09:55 - 11:55
940 - AUS-QRO - 246 - 07:20 - 09:20
941 - QRO-AUS - 246 - 09:55 - 11:55
950 - AUS-CUN - Daily - 16:10 - 18:40
951 - CUN-AUS - Daily - 19:05 - 21:35

It looks like the first flight of the day is an arrival from MTY and last flight of the day is a departure to MTY with no planes that RON in AUS.


07:00 - Flight 900 arrives from MTY
35-minute turn
07:35 - Flight 910 departs for GDL

09:20 - Flights 930/940 arrives from BJX/QRO
35-minute turn
09:55 - Flights 931/941 departs for BJX/QRO

13:00 - Flight 911 arrives from GDL
35-minute turn
13:35 - Flight 901 departs for MTY

15:35 - Flight 902 arrives from MTY
35-minute turn
16:10 - Flight 950 departs for CUN

19:50 - Flight 920 arrives from PBC
35-minute turn
20:25 - Flight 921 departs for PBC

21:35 - Flight 951 arrives from CUN
35-minute turn
22:10 - Flight 903 departs for MTY

Turning an international flight in 35 minutes seems a little ambitious to me, but maybe they'll pull it off. I'm assuming that this temporary terminal will have it's own customs facility, but don't know for sure.

I hope VivaAerobus is able to start flights by November. That would actually be a very good time to start. We've got lots of new retail shopping that's opened up over the last year and down in San Marcos, about 30 miles south of Austin, there are two large factory outlet malls. I remember a couple of news stories from last Thanksgiving talking about the huge amount of shoppers from Mexico. Most of them drive or come via bus, but some flew. With cheap fares, VivaAeroBus has the potential to bring in additional shoppers and visitors from other parts of Mexico where driving would not be an attractive option.

In that regard, Viva AeroBus seems to be like Southwest. Their business plan seems to be generating new demand with low fares. Their customers will be folks that currently drive (or don't go at all) rather than existing customers who currently fly the legacies. Hopefully VivaAeroBus will succeed where others in AUS have failed.

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RE: Aviation In Austin

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:17 pm

First of the year AA and B6 will open new n/s routes.


I love working at AUS.


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RE: Aviation In Austin

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:29 pm

As I understand it, this new "no-frills" terminal is slated to be placed smack-dab on the property which we were all told (especially in the context of precluding the use of a downsized Mueller for GA reliever status) was reserved for GA use.

And gosh, look at that: Austin, the biggest city without a general aviation airport, will crowd GA off the field.

Politicos: a bunch of lying bastards.
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:17 pm

Here's the link to the story (with video) I saw on the news earlier.

http://www.kxan.com/global/story.asp?s=7134775

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RE: Aviation In Austin

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:24 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):
Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):Passenger Activity: Total passenger traffic for August 2007 was 814,060, up 17% compared to August 2006. August 2007 enplanements totaled 409,276, up 17.5%.


Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):Delta Air Lines (including SkyWest Airlines, Shuttle America, and Atlantic Southeast Airlines) passengers totaled 78,456, up 62.5%;


Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 20):Frontier Airlines passengers totaled 22,603, up 49%;
Impressive numbers.

Yes, indeed, it is. I didn't know this myself. Most of the flights I have had out of AUS have been pretty full, to say the least. I fly the Delta Connection flights a lot, and they seem to be pretty packed. I have booked flights for employees quite a bit on Frontier, and United, ugh, as well. Only done Delta, United, and what used to be America West myself. No matter how you look at it, traffic is up.

I looked into flying more on USAirways now in the winter when going west. Phoenix is one airport where your plans might not be completely destroyed by days if you book through Denver or Salt Lake. I have been totally screwed by weather in Salt Lake myself, (Christmas time a few years ago) and then last year had to spend a ton of money to get associates to BOI due to weather in DEN. (The big Christmas storms-I missed it all by a day) When I say a ton of money, I mean thousands of dollars for two people. I find it hard that airlines lose money when weather problems happen, and business people have to book different flights. They get the money from the original flight that never happened, then it seems that you always have to book a different airline to get anyone anywhere on short notice at an astronomical fare. I guess those that don't have the $ to fork out are the ones getting screwed, and are the ones sleeping on the floor in the terminal. But, like I said, when it comes down to business travelers, airlines seem to make pure cash when flights get cancelled due to weather, as weather is not compensated for, and the plane never leaves the ground, unless it shuttles somewhere else to resume a schedule. (say like dumping people in Scottsbluff, NE, or Cheyenne, WY) Either way, if you buy a new ticket, (which many people do) you don't receive credit for your other cancelled seat if you already paid for it. (unless you fly on that ticket) If you don't rebook on that airline, (If I am not wrong-if I am, I am an idiot) then you don't get your $$'s worth, ever.

I suppose that is the way it goes, especially noting that UAL lost money during the snow fiasco in DEN last Christmas. I am a business owner, but I still wonder how businesses lose money when they make all the money that is coming to them for tickets that are already sold, (plus excess from new tickets,because they will not accomadate) and have aircraft sitting on the ground not costing them money, and then they fly them to wherever is convenient? I do know that when an aircraft is on lease, and it is not flying, that airlines lose money, but..... Tickets that I bought through different airlines in order to accomadate my associates were through the roof. How does this not pad the bottom line?? You have to pay the lease on jets, yes, but, more than that, if they are not flying, how does that cost you money? Especially when they sit on the ground and every passenger that was supposed to be on that jet has to book an overrated fair on some other airline?

I am interested to know how much extra $$$ is made by airlines when there are weather delays, (such as the two Denver fiascos last year) because there are a lot of tickets that are charged that don't achieve their final destination,

Before I go off on a capitalist outrage, I will say that things seem weird to me. I don't completely know aerospace economics, but I also don't work for any large corporation in the U.S.

Maybe there are issues that are too great for me to handle!

Sorry for getting off thread, it's just that I go west out AUS (except for the odd horrible trip through ATL every now and then) and I am trying to convince myself to fly through PHX, though it is out of the way, in order to get to the western U.S.
 
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RE: Aviation In Austin

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:32 pm

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 23):
the news story said the terminal would probably be completed sometime in Spring, 2008.

Wow, that's fast! SAT needs to take a few lessons... their construction is going snail's pace, at best.

Just having moved to Austin, I don't have much experience with AUS. Hopefully I can build as much of a connection with this airport as I have with SAT. I'm doing my best now to figure out the spotting situation here. lol

-Mike