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Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:50 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6997381.stm
I know the crash is already being discussed, but what exactly do they mean by this?

"A French tourist aboard a plane behind the one that crashed told AFP news agency she saw the accident happen.

"When the plane landed it caught fire," she said. "We could see the fire coming out of it." "

How exactly did she see what she says she saw? Was she on approach behind the unlucky MD-82, or did they actually land right after it crashed?

Doesn't make much sense to me. Also, by the by, what is "an aviation official"?
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:57 am

Her plane might have been turning towards the runway, and had not lined up yet.
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Her plane might have been turning towards the runway, and had not lined up yet.

Maybe, but does anyone with a knowledge of the approach there know if such an account is plausible?
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:04 am

And I should add, in the stated weather conditions?
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:19 am

... I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. More than likely, if this passenger's plane landed after the One-Two-Go one, then she may have observed the aftermath of the crash, rather than the actual crash itself. It's easy for people to be less than precise with their accounts in the stressful moments after such an incident, and for the attending press to misquote everyone in sight (not necessairly in order to 'get a good story', but more likely because at that time the details are far from clear).

Maybe her plane was indeed in an approach circuit, and the fire would have been pretty obvious from the air, even in heavy rain. Why doubt her account? What difference does it make anyway?

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Also, by the by, what is "an aviation official"?

Er, I'm just guessing here, but possibly someone who works in an 'official' (i.e. governmental) capacity, in the (Thai) 'aviation' industry...??  duck 

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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:07 pm

You've never been in a crosswind landing? I have seen the whole length of the runway on numerous crosswind approaches!
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:46 pm

If she was, as the story states, behind the MD-82 then I'm to assume it was also in the landing pattern and not waiting for takeoff. Holding for T/O certainly would have given a runway view. In the landing pattern she could have had several possible sights like a right angle on base leg and straight by the sight on what certainly would have been an aborted landing.
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:01 pm

However, the airport issued a station notam indicating that the 09/27 at VTSP was "closed due to disabled aircraft." Therefore, any enroute aircraft would have been forced to go to their alternate and any departing aircraft would have been impacted by the closure.

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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 4):
but possibly someone who works in an 'official' (i.e. governmental) capacity, in the (Thai) 'aviation' industry...?

Gee, hadn't thought of that. Yeah sure I think you know what I meant there - it's a pretty vague thing to call someone. In no way does it tell us how this guy is qualified to speak about the crash.

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 5):
You've never been in a crosswind landing? I have seen the whole length of the runway on numerous crosswind approaches!

Alas, no I haven't! Never copped it properly with strong crosswinds before. Am interested to feel what it would be like.

I know it's possible to see a runway on approach etc. but was really wondering at what stage her plane was at (following, holding etc.) and how much she realistically would have been able to see.
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:16 pm

Maybe it's lost in translation, and her plane landed prior to the one that crashed, i.e. the plane that crashed was behind her plane.
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
Maybe it's lost in translation, and her plane landed prior to the one that crashed, i.e. the plane that crashed was behind her plane.

Exactly, this is precisely the kind of thing I'm wondering.
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
Maybe, but does anyone with a knowledge of the approach there know if such an account is plausible?

I would assume she was sitting on the right side of the plane and may have seen the immediate aftermath in the go-around, if the spacing between the two aircraft was quite close.

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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:04 pm

i flew into phuket last year and you could see the airport from quite a distance. We flew in from bangkok so came in from the north over the Phang Nga marine park to the NE of phuket and from the right hand side of the plane, you could see where the airport was.

it was very good weather though

i would imagine a fireball could be seen from quite a way but i don't think she would have actually seen the plane land.
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 11):
I would assume she was sitting on the right side of the plane and may have seen the immediate aftermath in the go-around,

That was my assumption also - and her aircraft would have either returned to origin, or landed at an alternate if it was in the air since the runway appears to be fouled in the photos.

However, she could very well have been in an aircraft planning to takeoff after the landing which became a crash - because to many people an aircraft at the head of the runway would be "behind" a just landed aircraft.

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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Her plane might have been turning towards the runway, and had not lined up yet.

I am guessing here right now but: If the weather was really bad I assume the pilot of the MD-82 had a low visibility furthermore if the aircraft in which this woman was sitting had not lined up yet I assume they were away quite some distance ( up to a few miles). So how could she see it then? The only possibility what I think could be that they were in approach and made a go-around with a quick left or right turn and then she saw it.

Maybe she is just a media-whore.  Smile
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 4):
More than likely, if this passenger's plane landed after the One-Two-Go one, then she may have observed the aftermath of the crash

I doubt she either landed or departed after the crash, she might have flown by though.

Often a commercial airport is closed when the fire equipment is not available, and the equipment would not have been available if needed since it was dealing with the crash. Also, once the crash happened, the airport became a "crash scene" and evidence could be disturbed by additional traffic.

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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:59 pm

Another old lesson learned...DO NOT MESS WITH NATURE!!! Why do they attempt to land under poor conditions??? Poor judgement call what a pity...
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:18 am

I didn't look into this further (on my way to work to go flying Big grin) but perhaps there are parallel approaches at this airport... that might give her and anyone on that side of the plane a good view.... just a thought.
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:28 am

Parallel approaches at an airport with one (1) runway would be kinda interesting.  Wink
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
"When the plane landed it caught fire," she said. "We could see the fire coming out of it." "

I'm guessing that they did not actually see the airplane crash but they saw it a few minutes after the incident and I'm sure there was still fire coming out of the airplane.
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:13 am

from my understanding there is one plane on hold at the end of the runway for takeoff. maybe her seat was facing the runway and therefore would have witness the aircraft crash.
 
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RE: Aboard A Plane Behind The One That Crashed

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Ssflyboy25 (Reply 17):
but perhaps there are parallel approaches at this airport...

Nope, only parallel approach there would be to the taxiway! The east end of the runway passes between two hills, so you wouldn't want to get too far away from the runway centerline!