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Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:28 am

OK. I'm hoping this topic is new so here it goes,

AC has quite a few firsts or tied for firsts that many travellers may not know about:

-First to order Combi version of 747.
-One of first to install TECAS - Collision Avoidance System
-Launch customer (along side Ethiopian) of 767 ER verision
-First North American Airline to order A320 and A319.

That's all I can think about right now...
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:31 am

First tho install a personal entertainment system on all it's fleet (short haul and long haul).
First to operate 777-300 ER (77W)
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting 744 (Reply 1):
First to operate 777-300 ER (77W)

Sorry, AF started 77W flights three years ago.

[Edited 2007-09-17 18:47:12]
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
-First North American Airline to order A320 and A319.

Not quite right.
Pan Am ordered 16 A320 on 30.05.85. These orders were later taken over by Braniff but 0n 04.01.89, after Air Canada on 26.09.88 (34 A320) and Canadian on 30.09.88 (17 A320)

[Edited 2007-09-17 18:46:06]
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
One of first to install TECAS - Collision Avoidance System

First and only AFAIK.

I know alot of other airlines are installing TCAS though.  Wink
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:38 am

This list is actually quite impressive. Of course this won't stop Canadians bitching about AC, even if they've never flown with them.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/facts/innovations.html

One interesting fact is that AC was the first airline in the world to go totally non-smoking on all aircraft.

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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:40 am

First to use the 767 as a glider Wink
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:52 am

here's a few more:

1st airline to order jet cargo aircraft (Dc-8-55 Jet Trader)
1st airline to fly the atlantic non-stop in scheduled landplane service (Lancaster conversions)
and by proxy:
1st airine to operate a supersonic airliner (look this up, and it was a DC8-40) via CP
1st airline in North America to order jet aircraft, again CP (Comet... never successfully delivered)
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Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:23 am

Pioneered the "Black Box".
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Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:17 am

First airline to call themselves Air Canada
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:32 am

First North American airline to fly turboprops - Viscount, 1954.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting NEMA (Reply 9):
First airline to call themselves Air Canada

First Canadian airline to enter StarAlliance  Smile
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:42 am

First and if I'm not mistaken only airline to put PTVs on a CRJ.... almost as if Air Canada wants people to like CRJs
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:09 am

First airline to offer telephones at arms reach in all A/C.



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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
First to use the 767 as a glider

Ah, yes - something about saving fuel on flights to Gimli, right?

Where is Gimli, anyway?
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 14):
Where is Gimli, anyway?

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en...6048,40.869141&z=5&iwloc=addr&om=1

Middle of Manitoba, flight was in between Edmonton and Montreal. Lots of info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider. It gives me shivers reading the article and thinking about what it must have been like flying that long and landing with no engines.

" As they grew nearer it became apparent that they were too high, and Pearson executed a maneuver known as a "forward slip" to increase their drag and reduce their altitude. This gave passengers the sensation of plummeting sideways toward the ground. As Pearson executed the slip, the aircraft was flying over a golf course, and one passenger reportedly said, "Christ. I can almost see what clubs they're using".[3] A slip is commonly used with gliders and light aircraft, either to lose height quickly or to execute a cross-wind landing. As soon as the wheels touched the runway, Pearson "stood on the brakes", blowing out several of the aircraft's tires. The unlocked nose wheel collapsed and was forced back into the housing causing the nose section to scrape along the ground. The aircraft came to rest only a few hundred feet from the people gathered at the end of the runway for Family Day."

[Edited 2007-09-17 23:38:49]
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
-First to order Combi version of 747.

They were also the launch customer and first operator of the DC-8-50F Combi.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 14):
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
First to use the 767 as a glider

Ah, yes - something about saving fuel on flights to Gimli, right?

Where is Gimli, anyway?

About 60 miles north of YWG.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 10):
First North American airline to fly turboprops - Viscount, 1954.

They took delivery of their first Viscount (CF-TGI, the 40th Viscount built) in December 1954 but didn't put the type into regular scheuled service April 18, 1955, by which time 6 had been delivered. Some history re their first Viscount, courtesy of www.vickersviscount.net.

13 October 1954
First flight from Weybridge, Surrey, England.

8 December 1954
Delivered to TCA - Trans-Canada Air Lines with fleet number '601' by G R 'Jock' Bryce with George Edwards on board.

First aircraft for TCA - Trans Canada Air Lines and the first delivery to a North American operator. Routed via Prestwick, Scotland, Keflavik, Bluey West, Goose Bay, Montreal - Dorval to Winnipeg, Canada.

23 February 1955
Operated a pre-inaugral service from Toronto, Canada to Idlewild, New York, USA carrying members of the press in 99 minutes compared to the 120 minutes previously taken by the Canadair DC-4M.

March 1955
Demonstrated to US operators at Idlewild, New York, USA by flying to Montreal and Toronto, Canada.

18 April 1955
Operated the first turbine powered scheduled service in North America from Toronto, Canada to New York, USA with 40 passengers on board, departing at 09:00.


Photo of the first TCA/AC Viscount, and first turbine-powered aircraft in scheduled service in North America:


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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:16 am

First to eliminate a huge debt, TWICE. And get a different group each time to pay it.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:02 pm

Early "HUB" system: YQL for Alberta...in 1939
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:03 pm

Were they also the first airline with a computer reservation system?
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:09 pm

First airline to use toothpaste as inspiration for new livery
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:30 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):

That was good!
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:38 pm

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 21):
First airline to use toothpaste as inspiration for new livery

It's one of the nicest liveries out there; at least it's refreshing from the same old boring all white schemes. You guys all sound pathetic when you keep making these redundant toothpaste references. They're not, and never were, funny.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:53 pm

The airline and a predicessor were owned as subsidiaries of railway companies. CP was owned by Candian Pacific, and AC was owned by the Canadian National Railway.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:05 pm

Quoting 744 (Reply 1):
First tho install a personal entertainment system on all it's fleet (short haul and long haul).
First to operate 777-300 ER (77W)

From what I understood, the process is still underway... And will be a timely one...
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
-First North American Airline to order A320 and A319.

Well if that's not true, they're still the first airline in North America to operate the A340-300, A340-500, 777-300ER and 777-200LR.

Not bad eh?
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting 744 (Reply 1):
First tho install a personal entertainment system on all it's fleet (short haul and long haul).

Not really. EK, SQ and CX are the first to install PTV on all it's fleet (short and long-haul flights).
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:43 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
1st airine to operate a supersonic airliner (look this up, and it was a DC8-40) via CP

Look it up for us. I can't find anything. Link please.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain,reply=4}{/quote}
Im sorry but isn't it mandatory to install the TCAS?
Isn't that the reason why so many incidents have been saved?>

[quote=Acey
(Reply 23):
It's one of the nicest liveries out there; at least it's refreshing from the same old boring all white schemes. You guys all sound pathetic when you keep making these redundant toothpaste references. They're not, and never were, funny.
{/quote}

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Edit 1: HTML error, tried to correct but failed
Edit 2: Still trying

[Edited 2007-09-18 11:32:34]

[Edited 2007-09-18 11:37:05]
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:17 pm

Air Canada will be the first airline in North America to install EFB 3 ( Electronic Flight Bag 3 ) on their B777s and along with B787s. After AC all airlines who order B787s and B777-200LR and B777-300ER will automatically get EFB 3.

This one is pretty interesting the first pioneered Black Box.
Black Box (1958)
Air Canada pioneered the development of the multi-channel flight recorder to be installed on DC-8/Vanguard aircraft. The multi-channel recording system of greater capability which was eventually widely adopted by the industry - as the "black box".
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:20 pm

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 30):
Air Canada will be the first airline in North America to install EFB 3 ( Electronic Flight Bag 3 )

pardon me, but what is an electronic flight bag ??
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:46 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 28):
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):1st airine to operate a supersonic airliner (look this up, and it was a DC8-40) via CPLook it up for us. I can't find anything. Link please.

Here's one of may links I dug up describing this flight. Although CP never operated it as a "supersonic" aircraft; the event happened during a Douglas test flight.

http://www.dc-8jet.com/0-dc8-sst-flight.htm

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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 31):
pardon me, but what is an electronic flight bag ??

A piece of software installed in the cockpit. It contains electronic versions of the approach charts plus some other "goodies" and useful documents. There is a dedicated display for the pilots, so they do not need to dig deep from their legacy flight bags (those black trolleys pilots usually carry in airport lounges) the big brick of paper also called "Jeppessen Air Manual". An Electronic flight bag also contains the Aircarft Operating Manual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_flight_bag
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting Wolflair (Reply 33):
An Electronic flight bag also contains the Aircarft Operating Manual.

At Air Canada it also contains the MEL, Dangerous Goods Manuals, and takeoff performance and fuel drip software.

The move to the EFB was the main thrust in Air Canada no longer producing their own charts/maps, as Jeppesen already produced the charts/maps for the EFBs. The B777 and B787 are being delivered with the EFB3 operational, and the EMJs are being upgraded from EFB1 to EFB3.

The EFB3 will/does interface with the ACARS allowing new flight plans to be uploaded into the FMS without pilot intervention and possible error.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Acey (Reply 23):
Quoting BWI757 (Reply 21):
First airline to use toothpaste as inspiration for new livery

It's one of the nicest liveries out there; at least it's refreshing from the same old boring all white schemes. You guys all sound pathetic when you keep making these redundant toothpaste references. They're not, and never were, funny.

I agree. I use toothpaste that is white so I really don't get why the AC livery is referred to as "toothpaste". I think it looks darn good on an airplane. At least it isn't like the trillion airlines that have an all white fuselage and just paint the tail and their name on the side of the plane.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:03 pm

I think they are referring to the (now tired) comparison of the new colours to pale blue toothpaste.

But, it IS a paint scheme best seen in person. While technically it is pale blue/green, when you see it in bright light, the metallic aspect of the paint "shines". It appears more silver/grey with a blue/green tint. When you see that the Air Canada is shadowed in dark green, all other typeface is green, and all exits are outlined in green it balances the overall colour.

It is like Northwest Airlines. When I saw pictures of their new paint scheme, I thought it was dull and uninspired. When I saw it in person, I could hardly take my eyes off it as it remains my favourite airline colours.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
I know alot of other airlines are installing TCAS though.

Isn't TCAS now required on all airliners flying in US airspace?
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
1st airine to operate a supersonic airliner (look this up, and it was a DC8-40) via CP

Just so nobody thinks(that don't know airliner specs) a DC-8 normally does Mach 1, the aircraft in this case was in a slight dive for some reason and passed the sound barrier a little. However with the throttles pegged at a certain altitude, it could be possible that it could reach M1...not sure.

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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Dgehfx (Reply 20):
Were they also the first airline with a computer reservation system?

i thought that it was AA with SABRE...no?
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting NEMA (Reply 9):
First airline to call themselves Air Canada

LMAO!

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 21):
First airline to use toothpaste as inspiration for new livery

Very cleaver. Actually, there are probably a lot of airlines that could qualify for that. Alitalia kinda looks like one version of Aquafresh.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 37):
Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
I know alot of other airlines are installing TCAS though.

Isn't TCAS now required on all airliners flying in US airspace?

I can't say for sure one way or the other. The US has alot of older planes flying still.

I was referring to mention of TECAS and the extra E in there.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 31):
pardon me, but what is an electronic flight bag ??



Quoting Wolflair (Reply 33):
A piece of software installed in the cockpit. It contains electronic versions of the approach charts plus some other "goodies" and useful documents. There is a dedicated display for the pilots, so they do not need to dig deep from their legacy flight bags (those black trolleys pilots usually carry in airport lounges) the big brick of paper also called "Jeppessen Air Manual". An Electronic flight bag also contains the Aircarft Operating Manual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...t_bag

Here's another link from Boeing site too.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060208c_nr.html

SEATTLE, Feb. 08, 2006 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Air Canada have announced plans to install the Boeing Class 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) on the fleet of all-new Boeing 777s and 787s ordered by the airline. Air Canada will be the first airline in North America to operate a Class 3 EFB, which is fully integrated into a commercial airplane's avionics.

Air Canada announced the 777 and 787 orders in November 2005. The airline now says it will have EFB systems installed, certified and delivered on all 18 of the 777-300ERs, 777-200LRs and 777 Freighters it will receive. In addition, it will get EFBs on the 14 787 airplanes it announced. Boeing is making the EFB standard equipment on the 787. The airline is scheduled to receive its first EFB-equipped 777 in 2007 and its first 787 in 2010.

"We're pleased with the momentum in the market for our Class 3 EFB," said Dan da Silva, vice president of Sales and Marketing for Boeing Commercial Aviation Services. "Air Canada is a prime example of a first-class airline picking the Boeing EFB after conducting a rigorous review of available technology to determine what would best improve performance and enhance value."


Ooops I made one mistake the EFB 3 will be standard equipment on the B787 not the newer B777s.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
First to use the 767 as a glider

LMAO
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
First to use the 767 as a glider

Shame another Canadian airline was the first to use the 330 as a glider, too.

Quoting LH648 (Reply 11):

First Canadian airline to enter StarAlliance

And the only thus far...certainly a fact every aerogeek should know.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:54 am

There's a long article in the new Air Transport World about AC's 70th anniversary.
Lot's of interesting details.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting Boeingluvr (Reply 25):
From what I understood, the process is still underway... And will be a timely one...

Should be completed next year. Nice try to put a negative spin on it though.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 46):
Should be completed next year. Nice try to put a negative spin on it though.

Well you can try and make me sound like that... But I was just stating that as the said it was installed on all of their fleet. I have been told almost that exact quote by AC employees and quotes on A.net.
 
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 26):
Well if that's not true, they're still the first airline in North America to operate the A340-300, A340-500, 777-300ER and 777-200LR.

Isn't AC the one of only two airlined in the world to fly all four aircraft types mentioned? The other is EK.
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RE: Facts About AC You May Not Know.

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 48):
Isn't AC the one of only two airlined in the world to fly all four aircraft types mentioned? The other is EK.

Yeah...one would instantly think that it would not be economical to do so and that is indeed the case for AC; the 343 and 345 are leaving shortly.
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