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EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:21 am

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More than 200 passengers have been delayed at Glasgow Airport after their aircraft became stuck while preparing to take off.

The Emirates Airline flight to Dubai was heading towards the runway at about 1420 BST when it rolled on to grass as it turned a corner.

The 237 passengers were taken off the aircraft to allow workers to try and return it to the tarmac.

An airport spokesman said no other flights had been affected.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7001366.stm

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:44 am

What a pain in the grass ....  laughing 
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 1):
What a pain in the grass ....

I see what you did there...  yes 
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2):
I see what you did there...

She couldn't hold it any longer.....  butthead   embarrassed   ashamed   yuck   covereyes 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:24 am

Joking apart, guys, not going to be easy for the crew to explain this when they get back to DXB.

"Which one of you was looking at the main gear camera?" is one the questions they'll probably be asked.
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:26 am

I bet the pilots had that sinking feeling of being a stick in the mud!!!!  duck 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:04 am

Thats what happens when airlines send the worlds 2nd longest aircraft to a small regional airport, which doesn't really have facilities (aprons & taxiways) to handle aircrafts of this size!

I think BHX has experienced similar problems on one two occasions when they have sent 777-300's there!
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:45 am

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting By188b (Reply 7):
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 1):
What a pain in the grass ....

A little too early applying power in those GE-90's?  Wink  duck 

This will muck up the EK flight system... Good thing they have so many 77W's.  Wink

Thought, this will happen with an A388. That would be a challenge to tow out of the grass... Did they de-fuel this plane? I have photos of a United 747 stuck in the mud so deep that it had to be completely offloaded before being pulled out. Ugh.  yuck 

Note: I'm a fan of the A380 for the right missions. But this is something that will have to be considered.

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:27 am

Ok, Stupid Question, but would it have been fiesable for the plane to just power out of the ditch??? I mean, compleately unloaded of course, but with the powerful GE90's, I think it could easily get out of anything, obviously I do not know the position the aircraft was in, or if it had enough taxiway in front of it to attempt a power-out or if there was potential damage to the landing gear if that was attemped... but just a thought! Big grin Let's just hope she gets back into service ASAP, I hate seeing any 77W getting into trouble...

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:32 am

Quoting MX77W (Reply 10):
Ok, Stupid Question, but would it have been fiesable for the plane to just power out of the ditch??? I mean, compleately unloaded of course, but with the powerful GE90's, I think it could easily get out of anything, obviously I do not know the position the aircraft was in, or if it had enough taxiway in front of it to attempt a power-out or if there was potential damage to the landing gear if that was attemped... but just a thought! Let's just hope she gets back into service ASAP, I hate seeing any 77W getting into trouble...

In theory yes, but in reality no. When you throttle those engines up in the grass there is a good chance that they will suck up some large chunks of sod. Last thing that they want is to FOD out an engine.
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:21 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
In theory yes, but in reality no. When you throttle those engines up in the grass there is a good chance that they will suck up some large chunks of sod. Last thing that they want is to FOD out an engine.

 checkmark  True, very true, I totally forgot about the all-too-important FOD...

Thanks for the input!

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 9):
This will muck up the EK flight system... Good thing they have so many 77W's

I don't see how it will have much effect on the EK flight system, as you rightly stated, they do have a lot of 77W's.
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:40 pm

what happens to the pilots in these situation? Its obviously pilot error, so will they be sent back to training or will they have a black mark on their report card?
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:29 pm

Ok everybody... PUSH!!!  scared 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:32 pm

This ... incident ... completely messed up operations for other airlines as well, tower had to backtrack aircraft full length for departure, which caused noticeable delays.

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting MX77W (Reply 10):
Ok, Stupid Question, but would it have been fiesable for the plane to just power out of the ditch??? I mean, compleately unloaded of course, but with the powerful GE90's, I think it could easily get out of anything

Only if Petroni was at the controls..... Smile
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 1):
What a pain in the grass

 laughing 

Bummer - But i guess these things happen from time to time. At least its just a minor incident with no casualties.
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
Thats what happens when airlines send the worlds 2nd longest aircraft to a small regional airport, which doesn't really have facilities (aprons & taxiways) to handle aircrafts of this size!

1 Such incident since the upgrade to 77W was introduced (Dec 15th 2005 i think?) isn't that bad. Also, I wouldn't call an airport with flights to Newark, Philadelphia, Boston, Orlando, Las Vegas, Cancun, Puerto Plata, Toronto, Hamilton, Vancouver, Calgary, Halifax, Ottawa, Dubai and we did have Lahore/Karachi/Islamabad a regional airport. Fair enough lots of seasonal demand however.

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 1):
What a pain in the grass ..

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting MX77W (Reply 10):
Ok, Stupid Question, but would it have been fiesable for the plane to just power out of the ditch??? I mean, compleately unloaded of course, but with the powerful GE90's, I think it could easily get out of anything, obviously I do not know the position the aircraft was in, or if it had enough taxiway in front of it to attempt a power-out or if there was potential damage to the landing gear if that was attemped... but just a thought! Let's just hope she gets back into service ASAP, I hate seeing any 77W getting into trouble

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting Alitis (Reply 17):
Quoting MX77W (Reply 10):
Ok, Stupid Question, but would it have been fiesable for the plane to just power out of the ditch??? I mean, compleately unloaded of course, but with the powerful GE90's, I think it could easily get out of anything

If you want to see something like that watch the last scene in Airport 1970 when they try to power out the 707 Big grin  Big grin

But seriously, those pilots are going to get slammed by the chief pilot when they get back to their base
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:38 pm

Hasn't this happened a few times in the past at EGPF? I seem to remember a Russian type aircraft being stuck in the grass not too long ago. I also believe it was in a similar location. I also remember it took quite a while to extricate the beast due to different jacks being required.

Personally, I say ban the rain from falling in Glasgow, this would solve the soft grass (silly sod)  Smile

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 14):
what happens to the pilots in these situation? Its obviously pilot error, so will they be sent back to training or will they have a black mark on their report card?

Not the pilots fault, ATC was to blame, according to a post on Taxiway Alpha

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 19):
1 Such incident since the upgrade to 77W was introduced (Dec 15th 2005 i think?) isn't that bad. Also, I wouldn't call an airport with flights to Newark, Philadelphia, Boston, Orlando, Las Vegas, Cancun, Puerto Plata, Toronto, Hamilton, Vancouver, Calgary, Halifax, Ottawa, Dubai and we did have Lahore/Karachi/Islamabad a regional airport. Fair enough lots of seasonal demand however.

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Its scotlands secondary airport - if that doesnt qualify as regional I dont know what does  Silly
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
In theory yes, but in reality no. When you throttle those engines up in the grass there is a good chance that they will suck up some large chunks of sod. Last thing that they want is to FOD out an engine.

Thanks for the answer there AirTran737, I was thinking the exact same solution as MX77W. I kind of imagined that the grass would probably end up in quite a bad state behind the engines if they were used to power it out, but never even considered that there'd be enough "vacuum" created in front of them to suck the grass up off the ground  eyepopping 

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 24):
Not the pilots fault, ATC was to blame, according to a post on Taxiway Alpha

Perhaps ATC shouldn't have asked them to take that route, but it wasn't ATC who drove the thing off the side. It's still the captain's responsibility, ultimately.
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 24):
Not the pilots fault, ATC was to blame, according to a post on Taxiway Alpha

One thing every pilot learns is that even if ATC could be "blamed" you are still the final authority and in the end every aspect of the flight is your responsibility.

I could not tell from the photos, was it the nose gear? It is normally pretty difficult to run off the runway if you "follow the yellow line," but making a 90 degree turn requires the nose to deviate from this and increases the risk of running off the taxiway.

Do all 777-300s have cameras?

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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 26):

 checkmark  Totally agree with you. It's captain's decision and responsibility. I don't think ATC is the only one to blame !
 
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 24):

Not the pilots fault, ATC was to blame, according to a post on Taxiway Alpha

That's what the word "unable" is for. PIC is called that for a reason.
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 27):
Do all 777-300s have cameras?

Yep. At least all of EK's do.
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RE: EK 77W Stuck In The Grass At GLA

Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
Thats what happens when airlines send the worlds 2nd longest aircraft to a small regional airport, which doesn't really have facilities (aprons & taxiways) to handle aircrafts of this size!

Aye, you wouldn't think they'd been operating the 77W to GLA for the last 2 years or so  Wink

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 24):
Its scotlands secondary airport - if that doesnt qualify as regional I dont know what does Silly

Only due to BAA forcing pax to fly through EDI  Wink
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