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Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:19 am

According to its president, Thai Airways has decided to buy eight Boeing 747-8 and a mix of Boeing 737-900, Boeing 787-9, Airbus A350 and Airbus A321. Though, funding isn't clear yet.

Full story:
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE000306_FORTUNE5.htm


Interesting that TG seems to continue to operate a rather diverse fleet in the future, especially with competing models like B739 and A321.


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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:22 am

Very interesting indeed, although it has to be said that fleet commonality was never their strong point. What widebody aircraft have they not operated? Tristar and 767 are about the only ones I can think of.

Still, good to see them expand.
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Boeing 787-9, Airbus A350

Would the A350's be -900 and -1000? There would be no overlap then.
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
According to its president, Thai Airways has decided to buy eight Boeing 747-8 and a mix of Boeing 737-900, Boeing 787-9, Airbus A350 and Airbus A321. Though, funding isn't clear yet.

So they decided on "option 2" which is replace the 747s sooner rather than later. I assume the A350 is the -1000 version to provide a size between the 787-9 and the 748 and replace the remaining 747s that aren't replaced by A380 or 748 (unless they plan to buy more of either of those in the future).
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:23 am

I asked this in the existing TG thread, but:

Is TG taking the A388 or have the canceled and taken A350s and A321s, instead?

Operating the A321 and 737-900ER would be superfluous, but TG was on the hook for $90 million in A388 deposits they were in risk of forfeiting because they didn't have a cancellation clause written into their A380 contract.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:24 am

Good news for everyone. Spread the wealth..........

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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I asked this in the existing TG thread, but:

Is TG taking the A388 or have the canceled and taken A350s and A321s, instead?

Operating the A321 and 737-900ER would be superfluous, but TG was on the hook for $90 million in A388 deposits they were in risk of forfeiting because they didn't have a cancellation clause written into their A380 contract.

Didn't they pickup some additional A330s from the A380 compensation negotiations? If so, probably pretty hard to walk away from a contract.

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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 6):
Didn't they pickup some additional A330s from the A380 compensation negotiations? If so, probably pretty hard to walk away from a contract.

They were talking about it, but I don't recall if the deal was ever consummated.

And even if it was, that doesn't mean it could change again if both parties were willing.  Wink
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:36 am

To put it mildly: CNN appears to be couple of days late - and has written a... well... to be improved article. Local media (especially the Bangkok Post, which has been right on target several times) reported this on the 15th:

Quote:
The carrier's board is considering two options for an investment plan through 2017. It may spend 390 billion baht to order 65 aircraft, 43 of them purchased and 22 leased. It will also consider a second option, for 61 aircraft, 35 purchased and 26 leased, at a cost of 337 billion baht. The final decision will be made by early next month, Mr Apinan said.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/150907_Business/15Sep2007_biz36.php

Simply put: CNN screwed it...

Plus (from the article quoted by the first poster):

Quote:
Thai Airways said in a statement it plans to seek 16 long-range aircraft with capacity of 300-500 seats, 29 medium-range aircraft with 250-350 seat capacity and another 20 aircraft with capacity of 150-250 seats,

Note the phrase "plans to seek" - this is no firm order, just the re-confirmation of what they had said earlier. Besides: it is quite strange that no other news service besides CNNMoney is reporting this "order".

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Is TG taking the A388 or have the canceled and taken A350s and A321s, instead?

Care to elaborate why you raise this question?
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
According to its president, Thai Airways has decided to buy eight Boeing 747-8 and a mix of
Boeing 737-900, Boeing 787-9, Airbus A350 and Airbus A321. Though, funding isn't clear yet.

with such a diverse order of aircraft being placed obviously politics played a part in it.

it seems that :

B 748s will replace the 8 oldest B 744s
B 739s will replace B 734s on domestic routes
B 789s will replace the AB6s
A 350s will be used to replace the oldest A 333s and B 772s
A 321s will be used on domestic & regional routes where the capacity of the AB6 is too high and B 734 too less
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
A 321s will be used on domestic & regional routes where the capacity of the AB6 is too high and B 734 too less

And where they carry LD3s?
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I asked this in the existing TG thread, but:

Yes you did, right after I posted the CNN link.

Apparently A.Net only pays attention to news if posted in a brand new thread. hissyfit 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):
Care to elaborate why you raise this question?


  • Because the A388 is not mentioned in the article.
  • Because the 747-8I is adding a new type when they already had ordered the A388.
  • Because TG has considered in the past to cancel the A388, but noted they had a non-refundable $90 million deposit.
  • Because TG has said they have been working with Airbus on compensation for the delay of their planes.
  • Because TG is said in the article to have bought the A321 and the 739ER, which both perform identical missions.
  • Because TG is said in the article to have bought the 787 and the A350, so they have some overlap and the A350-1000 would seem a more logical replacement for the remaining 744s not replaced with A388s then the 748 herself if the A388 was staying.


I would hope that my posting record regarding the A388 would make it clear I did not raise the question to cast aspersions on the A380-800. If TG wishes to become the second dual A388/748I operator, more power to them, I say.  Smile
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):
To put it mildly: CNN appears to be couple of days late - and has written a... well... to be improved article. Local media (especially the Bangkok Post, which has been right on target several times) reported this on the 15th:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):

Simply put: CNN screwed it...

Plus (from the article quoted by the first poster):



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):

Note the phrase "plans to seek" - this is no firm order, just the re-confirmation of what they had said earlier. Besides: it is quite strange that no other news service besides CNNMoney is reporting this "order".

CNN refers to a statement made by President Apinan Sumanaseni today - the Bangkok Post article was published three days earlier. CNN also clearly talks about a "decision" to go for the expansion plan involving the retirement of 47 aircraft and procuration of 65 new aircraft - which is also different from the Bangkok Post article where two possible options are mentioned.


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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 11):
Apparently A.Net only pays attention to news if posted in a brand new thread.

The thread is not only brand new, but refers to an (apparently) made decision - while the older thread refers to two possible fleet options.


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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:53 am

"Thai Airways said in a statement it plans to seek 16 long-range aircraft with capacity of 300-500 seats, 29 medium-range aircraft with 250-350 seat"

well does the 16 aircrafts include 748/A350 and the 29 the 787 or does the 29 aircrafts include A350 and 787 (and the 16 maybe A350/748)? As a 350-1000 would sure fall in the 300+ categorie.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Because TG is said in the article to have bought the A321 and the 739ER, which both perform identical missions.

Because TG is said in the article to have bought the 787 and the A350, so they have some overlap and the A350-1000 would seem a more logical replacement for the remaining 744s not replaced with A388s then the 748 herself if the A388 was staying.

Well, I really don't see why they ordered A321 and 739. Maybe if it was a 739ER that would make a little bit or sense.
However, if they order(ed) 787-9, A359 and A351 there wouldn't be an overlap.

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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:55 am

Good for everybody involved. What engines will they chose for the 787? They don't have much of a choice on the 748 much to PM's frustrations.  biggrin 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:57 am

I would expect GE will offer them a nice package deal for GEnx power on the 787s to go with it on the 748s.
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
I would hope that my posting record regarding the A388 would make it clear I did not raise the question to cast aspersions on the A380-800. If TG wishes to become the second dual A388/748I operator, more power to them, I say.

There was considerable rumor on a.net (hard to imagine eh?) that TG and MH would cancel their 380 orders back when the delays were occurring. I think the fact the article does not specifically name the aircraft has probably stirred up some speculation, even though it does say this order does not include 15 current a/c on order. I think Thai will wind up being one of several airlines operating both the 380 and 748 eventually. It is certainly not inconceivable.
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Because the A388 is not mentioned in the article.

No, but it does say:

Quote:
The 65 additional aircraft doesn't include 15 aircraft that Thai Airways has already ordered.
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Because the A388 is not mentioned in the article.

It clearly IS mentioned in the article:

Quote:
The 65 additional aircraft doesn't include 15 aircraft that Thai Airways has already ordered.

Per Airbus´current O&D:

- 8 outstanding A330-300 orders
- 1 outstanding A340-600 order
- 6 outstanding A380-800 orders

Total: 15...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Because the 747-8I is adding a new type when they already had ordered the A388.

Lufthansa has ordered 20 B747-8I in addition to their A380-800 order... so no argument in here.
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 18):
There was considerable rumor on a.net (hard to imagine eh?) that TG and MH would cancel their 380 orders back when the delays were occurring. I think the fact the article does not specifically name the aircraft has probably stirred up some speculation, even though it does say this order does not include 15 current a/c on order. I think Thai will wind up being one of several airlines operating both the 380 and 748 eventually. It is certainly not inconceivable.

I think it does give an airline a great amount of felxibilty operating 748 and A380 side by side. Just as operating 787-(8)/9 and A350-900/1000 side by side.


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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:14 am

[quote=Flying-Tiger,reply=20]Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Because the A388 is not mentioned in the article.

It clearly IS mentioned in the article:

Quote:
The 65 additional aircraft doesn't include 15 aircraft that Thai Airways has already ordered.

Per Airbus´current O&D:

- 8 outstanding A330-300 orders
- 1 outstanding A340-600 order
- 6 outstanding A380-800 orders

Total: 15...


The A380 is not clearly mentioned in the article. How many 772ERs are still on order?
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
The thread is not only brand new, but refers to an (apparently) made decision - while the older thread refers to two possible fleet options.

First - I'm not upset, just amused. The decision was selection of "option 2" exactly as was being discussed in the older thread. We could have just continued with that.

Consider how many times a poster starts a new thread and the first five responses are "already being discussed...please do a search first". So I did. And there was an existing thread. And I posted the new development. And only Stitch noticed. It's amusing. smile 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 23):
Consider how many times a poster starts a new thread and the first five responses are "already being discussed...please do a search first". So I did. And there was an existing thread. And I posted the new development. And only Stitch noticed.

I noticed that, too. However, apparently a decision has been made by TG - which is news. By reading a title saying "TG to buy between A and B" only few people would expect something about a decision.


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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
They were talking about it, but I don't recall if the deal was ever consummated.

It was: the deal for eight A330s was officially booked by Airbus.
 
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 25):
It was: the deal for eight A330s was officially booked by Airbus.

Indeed it was, on 19th June during the order orgy that was Paris!
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 22):
How many 772ERs are still on order?

As of the August 2007 Monthly Orders and Deliveries Update, TG has 2 undelivered 772ERs.
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 15):
Well, I really don't see why they ordered A321 and 739. Maybe if it was a 739ER that would make a little bit or sense.

Advantages of the A321: LD3s, wider cabin, engine choices
Advantages of the 739ER: commonality to 734s, doesn't require "widebody" ground equipment

Now, are there routes in Thailand and the region that Thai flies that have limited facilities? The 737 series can be completely serviced from the ground, with no scissor lifts, baggage conveyors etc. While much of the world has facilities to accommodate the taller A320 series, there are still places around the world where the MD80 and 737 have advantages...

Quoting Da man (Reply 27):
As of the August 2007 Monthly Orders and Deliveries Update, TG has 2 undelivered 772ERs.

So that makes "seventeen" on order. Now, might we see as part of this order a cancelation of the last A346 and an A330 to use the deposits toward A350s and A321s?
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
So that makes "seventeen" on order. Now, might we see as part of this order a cancelation of the last A346 and an A330 to use the deposits toward A350s and A321s?

Well if they really need the A346 at the moment, what I suggest they do, they sure won't cancel it. It will be quite a while until the A350s will come Wink.

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Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 29):
Well if they really need the A346 at the moment, what I suggest they do, they sure won't cancel it. It will be quite a while until the A350s will come 

do they need the A346 specifically, or the lift but not on 6500nm routes? The A346 delivery position can be converted to A330, and that A346 can be "rescheduled" for the final A330 delivery slot, with the final two A330 slots being canceled in favor of the A350 (and already arriving 789s).

Or do they specifically need to buy the outdated A346 at this time? (or is that A346 already nearly complete? when's the delivery schedule for that bird?)

I mean, I was just trying to read the tea leaves and figure out how 17 orders gets compressed to 15 orders, but I suppose they could take the A346 and cut off two A330s from the end in favor of A350s...
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
Or do they specifically need to buy the outdated A346 at this time? (or is that A346 already nearly complete? when's the delivery schedule for that bird?)

So LH also buys outdated aircrafts? Makes me wonder why they claim that the A346 is their best long haul aircraft. Strange they must know nothing about aviation,... makes me even more wonder why their financial results are quite outstanding  Wink.... okay, the A333 is better on shorter routes, but I guess if Thai would have thought they only need the lift they would have done that when they ordered the A333s... but you never know.


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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 6):
probably pretty hard to walk away from a contract.

Stitch was not suggesting the TG walk away from a contract, but rather convert one. Airbus would be happy to convert TG's WhaleJet order to an A350 order under the right terms. Whether or not that's what's happening here remains to be seen.
 
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Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Boeing 787-9, Airbus A350

Would the A350's be -900 and -1000? There would be no overlap then.

I think he's refering to the 737-900 and the A321 which do overlap in capacity. Who knows how they plan to use them to get the best of each aircraft's performance. Thai like Luthansa have seen advantages in mixing planes from both Boeing and Airbus and it seems logic to me. I think that we'll se Virgin order the A350 in the future and Luthansa order the 787, for example, whenever they don't overlap and they are more useful than the other for each airline.
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 32):
Stitch was not suggesting the TG walk away from a contract, but rather convert one. Airbus would be happy to convert TG's WhaleJet order to an A350 order under the right terms. Whether or not that's what's happening here remains to be seen.

Not saying that a contract would/could/should be converted from A388 to A321s and A350s, but I doubt Airbus would be happy to lose a Customer for their flagship, which certainly has less potential for new Customers then the A32X and A35X models. Throw in the mix an order for A330/s (as we were discussing) and it muddies the water even further, therefore it would be my opinion that the Thai are still under a contractual obligation to take the A380s.

However, you did say under the right terms, and of course if they could sold them 200 percent over list, they would certainly be happy.

Anyway, this nothing about nothing...

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Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:56 am

Great news for TG and the 747-800 passenger programme
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:07 am

Why B737-900 and not a pure A32X Fleet? Thailands crown prince, his highness Maha Vajiralongkorn is a B737 Pilot and fly for Thai sometimes. Could be this a reason? Maybe some Thai A.net members could give us here more information. Thanks in advance!
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:10 am

Why the A321 and not keep with a 737 fleet. Probably has something to do with selling shrimp in the EU. Could this be a reason. Maybe some Thai A net members could give us here more information...

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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
I was just trying to read the tea leaves and figure out how 17 orders gets compressed to 15 orders,

Maybe the two outstanding 772ERs were converted to 739ERs, 789s or 748s?
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RE: Thai Aws Goes For B748, B789, A350, A321, B739

Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 31):
So LH also buys outdated aircrafts?

Yes. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but the A346 is clearly outdated at this point when airlines are ordering A350s and A330s and 787s and 77Ws. LH has a large enough fleet and "home team" support for buying the A346, but other airlines are canceling their orders.

The 767 is outdated too, but a few carriers still buy them (like JL, NH and a few others). Doesn't mean they aren't outdated...
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
do they need the A346 specifically, or the lift but not on 6500nm routes? The A346 delivery position can be converted to A330, and that A346 can be "rescheduled" for the final A330 delivery slot, with the final two A330 slots being canceled in favor of the A350 (and already arriving 789s).

Or do they specifically need to buy the outdated A346 at this time? (or is that A346 already nearly complete? when's the delivery schedule for that bird?)

I mean, I was just trying to read the tea leaves and figure out how 17 orders gets compressed to 15 orders, but I suppose they could take the A346 and cut off two A330s from the end in favor of A350s...

It might have to do with operational issues, such as ETOPS certification. Lets say they no longer have 180 minute approval, then it might make sense to give up the 777s and keep the A340s.

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Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 40):
It might have to do with operational issues, such as ETOPS certification. Lets say they no longer have 180 minute approval, then it might make sense to give up the 777s and keep the A340s.

Have TG in fact lost ETOPS180 certification?
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:44 am

It appears Boeing is the biggest winner in the order. Congrats to both A and B
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
According to its president, Thai Airways has decided to buy eight Boeing 747-8

Forgive me if I'm overstating, but isn't the fact that another major airline has finally stated their intentions to actually buy the 747-8i pretty significant news?! Granted they haven't actually ordered it yet, but still, isn't this more solid than any of the "interest" expressed so far from other airlines?
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
B 739s will replace B 734s on domestic routes

Have the B739 and A321 got the same range.

I think this would be a great aircraft to have...

Domestic services and regional services to smaller ports... secondary airports in India and perhaps China.

Could potentially operate domestic during daylight, and back of clock services to India to maximise utilisation...
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 34):
Not saying that a contract would/could/should be converted from A388 to A321s and A350s, but I doubt Airbus would be happy to lose a Customer for their flagship, which certainly has less potential for new Customers then the A32X and A35X models.

On the flip side, Airbus is likely to sell far more A32x and A35x planes to TG then A38x models. Also, Boeing already having their foot in the door with 737s and 787s would likely influence TG to keep order them down the road. By also having A320s and A350s there, Airbus already has their "foot in the door".

Anyway, I didn't read the release as carefully as others, so it looks like TG is "spreading the wealth" to maximize the flexibility of their fleet across the board, picking the best available model in each particular niche, regardless of who makes it.  thumbsup 
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 38):
Maybe the two outstanding 772ERs were converted to 739ERs, 789s or 748s?

Touche'. Interesting that some didn't consider that the Boeing's might have been canceled  Smile.

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Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 46):
Touche'. Interesting that some didn't consider that the Boeing's might have been canceled

It's highly unlikely that they would place an order in late 2004, start deliveries 10 months ago, receive 4 of the 6, then cancel/convert the other two, especially since both are, IIRC, already being built...

Not every possibility needs to be considered if some of the results are non-sensical.

And of course, it could just be that the article only counted the Airbus orders as the "existing 15" and forgot all about the 2 772ERs that are to be delivered soon.
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Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:38 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 47):
It's highly unlikely that they would place an order in late 2004, start deliveries 10 months ago, receive 4 of the 6, then cancel/convert the other two, especially since both are, IIRC, already being built...

Not every possibility needs to be considered if some of the results are non-sensical.

And touche' again.  Smile I, for one, didn't consider a Boeing cancellation, so the comment was directed at myself as much as anyone else. Point taken.

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Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 38):
Maybe the two outstanding 772ERs were converted to 739ERs, 789s or 748s?

TG's next 777-200ER is preparing for delivery at PAE as we speak, so...  no  Big grin

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