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F9 And FL @ ALB?

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:46 am

The worst source, Wikipedia has said that F9 and fl might serve ALB.

I understand FL , probably with service to ATL would complement DL Connect. nice, 1 or 2 to MCO, FLL, PBI, BWI.

I clearly understand that but what about F9, i mean wat about them? how many pax does den have?
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RE: F9 And FL @ ALB?

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:58 am

DOT says that in first-quarter 2007, ALB-DEN averaged 125 daily passengers.

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/domfares/tab6071.txt

Third-quarter 2006 was 178.

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/domfares/tab6063.txt

If Frontier thinks they could fill an A319 by capturing say half of that and getting some connecting pax, maybe there'd be a market for them. They'd probably have to stimluate some traffic with lower fares, though, because UA remains well-established at ALB (indicated by their continued use of mainline a/c to ORD).

To date, as far as I know, no airline has successfully operated nonstop to Denver from an Upstate New York market.

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RE: F9 And FL @ ALB?

Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
The worst source, Wikipedia has said that F9 and fl might serve ALB.

The only reference I can find (in Wikipedia) says Albany Airport has "approached" Frontier and Airtran.

There is no indication that Frontier is interested in ALB, and I can't think why they would be. BUF is offering quite generous incentives, but I don't think that is going to happen either.

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RE: F9 And FL @ ALB?

Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
If Frontier thinks they could fill an A319 by capturing say half of that and getting some connecting pax, maybe there'd be a market for them

It would be a tough case. I've wondered how successful it could be.

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
because UA remains well-established at ALB (indicated by their continued use of mainline a/c to ORD).

I'd bet money that if F9 did decide to come in, that UA would decide to come in onto the route. I've always thought UA would be the first to serve DEN from ALB.

IMO, FL has a good shot of coming in here in the next year or so. The ATL route is in need of new competition, and a couple new routes to FLL or wherever could be in the works.
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RE: F9 And FL @ ALB?

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:20 am

IMO, FL has a good shot of coming in here in the next year or so. The ATL route is in need of new competition, and a couple new routes to FLL or wherever could be in the works.

I'd imagine the ATL route would probably do just fine; AirTran serves BUF and ROC to ATL alongside Delta, and both carriers operate mainline equipment (along with DL operating some DL Connection) on the routes. But....

1 or 2 to MCO, FLL, PBI, BWI.

AirTran does like to fly to a couple of markets other than ATL from its Northeast and Midwest markets. But there are some flies in the ointment in Albany.

Of course AirTran isn't going to fly to BWI, against 7x daily on WN.

Southwest flies 3x daily to MCO. No way AirTran will try to compete with that. And soon Plattsburgh will have G4 to SFB, pulling pax from that region.

FLL, maybe. But WN with its strong market power hasn't done it so far.

PBI generally isn't a big enough draw from secondary markets in the Northeast. Same for RSW. HPN has a much bigger population within a 50-mile drive supporting its PBI flights.

And what if FL were to want to try MDW? D'OH! WN is already doing that too, 2x daily.

AirTran seems to want to be able to run at least 5-6 dailies fairly quickly from its new markets. On top of 3x daily ATL and maybe 1x daily FLL, I can only think of one other possibility: maybe 2x daily business-timed flights to IAD.

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