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USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:50 am

Can the USAirways teams please update the rest of us on when the two operating certificates will merge into one?

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting BP1 (Thread starter):
Can the USAirways teams please update the rest of us on when the two operating certificates will merge into one?

September 25th.

EOP.

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:09 am

Yeah, a little more specifically... the weight and balance systems and ACARS system that US East runs on, will be transferred over to the west side that same night, the night of September 25th. It will really take effect, and its consequences will be felt (if any) on Tuesday. This should be a MUCH smoother transition than the res migrartion that happened in March.

With this new system, there really are not all that many specific things the west side needs to know... just a few things will be different for each work group, but nothing hugely different from the process and the way of things that the west side does now... so it shouldn't be too bad, barring a complete computer system meltdown.  Smile
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:20 am

the old HP (US West) will also be surrendering the old operating certificate and all aircraft operations will be under one certificate going forward, although there will still be 2 call signs for now. Ultimately the call sign will be "Cactus" for everyone.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:25 am

Can we retitle this thread to make it apparent that it hasn't occurred yet?
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
Can we retitle this thread to make it apparent that it hasn't occurred yet?

5 days...and it's happening for sure so it won't really be that big a deal to change the title.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 2):
This should be a MUCH smoother transition than the res migrartion that happened in March.

Well, let's hope so. Nonetheless, I'm glad I'm on UA midweek next week and not back on US until next Friday ...
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:00 am

When will scheduling for crews and aircraft be able to use any East or West airplane?

The current Certificates are:

USAirways (East)

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DS...R_FAR=121&OPER_NAME=US+AIRWAYS+INC

America West aka USAirways (West)

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?SG...PER_NAME=AMERICA+WEST+AIRLINES+INC

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:03 am

It is indeed a defineate date at which point DECS becomes the W&B system of useage and a few other things though the callsign will remain seperate untill an agreement with the pilot groups is reached. It is really a done merger except for the pilot side and I totally relate being with a wholly owned subsidary of east myself.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 3):
the old HP (US West) will also be surrendering the old operating certificate and all aircraft operations will be under one certificate going forward, although there will still be 2 call signs for now. Ultimately the call sign will be "Cactus" for everyone.

Listen I have been reading these threads about the darn combined call sign for a while and I am fed up with this. Listen once and for all.....According to a Q&A in our company newsletter about two weeks ago it was announced that they have NOT!! decided what the final call sign will be. Enough of this "It's going to be Cactus" WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE YET, and if I have to I will post the Q&A.

It is true that we are going to remain under two separate call signs for a while. How about we talk about something else like new new products and uniforms we are bringing out in January 2008
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting USA9195 (Reply 9):
It's going to be Cactus" WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE YET, and if I have to I will post the Q&A.

my 2 West pilot buddies and the West MEC claim differently. I pointed out it will be 2 for now, but it has to go to one at some point, but yes we all know it is two for now.

I am based in PHX so I am very excited about the new products coming online. If I have to fly on N620AW one more time hopeing the tail will hold together it will be too soon  Smile
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:59 pm

I can actually confirm having been in one of the town hall meetings where it was discussed and it was stated by the man himself that Cactus will be the surviving call sign when all is said and done. When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting N710PS (Reply 11):
When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.

It is kinda sad, but at the same time, it's a decent trade-off. The East guys get to keep their company name, and the west guys get to keep their call-sign.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:17 pm

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 12):

It is kinda sad, but at the same time, it's a decent trade-off. The East guys get to keep their company name, and the west guys get to keep their call-sign.

Plus "Cactus" is just cooler anyways  Wink.
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting SirOmega (Reply 13):
Plus "Cactus" is just cooler anyways .

Absolutely  Smile Right up there with Citrus!
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
Right up there with Citrus!

um....not so much..  Smile for me, it would be Amtran...

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 10):
If I have to fly on N620AW one more time hopeing the tail will hold together it will be too soon Smile

what is this with you flying on 620?
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:38 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 15):
Right up there with Citrus!

um....not so much.. for me, it would be Amtran...

Yeah, i like that one too, but I love citrus.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 12):
I can actually confirm having been in one of the town hall meetings where it was discussed and it was stated by the man himself that Cactus will be the surviving call sign when all is said and done. When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.

Really.......I have watched all the town halls and never have I heard either Scott or Doug say that it is going to be Cactus...Care to enrich me as to where it is on what town hall?
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:32 pm

What is the deal with 620? Is that the one that fell on its nose in the maintenance hangar in PHX?

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:51 pm

Regarding the call sign - according to the Sept 6 edition of About US....


Q. I have heard rumors that we will continue to use two separate call signs, even after we are on one certificate. Is this true? And if so, why?

A. It's true. Managing Director, Flight Operations Lyle Hogg explained: "There is too much going on to add to the many possible distractions our pilots face at this point in time. When the time is right, we will address the call sign issue for the combined carrier." FAA is allowing US Airways to continue using two separate call signs in the short term.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
Regarding the call sign - according to the Sept 6 edition of About US....


Q. I have heard rumors that we will continue to use two separate call signs, even after we are on one certificate. Is this true? And if so, why?

A. It's true. Managing Director, Flight Operations Lyle Hogg explained: "There is too much going on to add to the many possible distractions our pilots face at this point in time. When the time is right, we will address the call sign issue for the combined carrier." FAA is allowing US Airways to continue using two separate call signs in the short term.

Thank you for posting that...I was getting ready to...Hopefully this will put to rest the "It's going to be this callsign and nothing else" issue

And by the way it looks like we are on-time for the cut over I pulled up the schedule for the 25th in DECS yesterday and all the west metal was in the schedule

[Edited 2007-09-22 16:33:53]
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:46 pm

Yup everything is still scheduled for the 25th. Things should go smoothly....they done massive training with us guys on the old MAPPER system....it's actually very easy.

But does this mean that "east" crews can fly "west" planes and vice versa? I wasn't clear on that....
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 21):
But does this mean that "east" crews can fly "west" planes and vice versa? I wasn't clear on that....

Nope they can't yet.....We will see how the talks go though which started today or yesterday (in reference to the pilots)
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:54 pm

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 15):
what is this with you flying on 620?



Quoting BP1 (Reply 18):
What is the deal with 620? Is that the one that fell on its nose in the maintenance hangar in PHX?

Isn't 620 the oldster? The one with more cycles than any other 320 still flying?
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting USA9195 (Reply 17):
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 12):
I can actually confirm having been in one of the town hall meetings where it was discussed and it was stated by the man himself that Cactus will be the surviving call sign when all is said and done. When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.

Really.......I have watched all the town halls and never have I heard either Scott or Doug say that it is going to be Cactus...Care to enrich me as to where it is on what town hall?

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 2):
This should be a MUCH smoother transition than the res migrartion that happened in March.

The res migration is arguably still going on. There are STILL (mainline) agents in CLT who cannot use SHARES correctly, and kiosk failures are sadly still a fairly common experience.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 26):
The res migration is arguably still going on. There are STILL (mainline) agents in CLT who cannot use SHARES correctly, and kiosk failures are sadly still a fairly common experience.

You said it yourself right there "Agents who cannot use SHARES correctly" I think it is because they haven't taken the time to stop complaining about the company taking away sabre. Yes I will admit that there are improvements that need to be made, however these agents that keep complaining aren't the ones taking the time themselves to read the updated material, or use the simulation software that they can download on the hub. I have told a few of the agents that I work with that just keep griping about it, to either take the time to learn the system, or to keep their mouth shut about it, because it gets really annoying day after day. The company has given every ounce of information, short of individually showing each agent what to do and which buttons to push when.

A good CLT example is one day I was non-reving up to BOS, and I listed for first, and got a coach seat...what makes this more interesting is that there were 6!! seats left empty upfront....Why did this happen? Simple answer: The agents didn't or don't take the time to learn that their are 2 options when clearing the standby list.

As for the kiosks I have no earthly idea..I know their are new ones going around the system and they should be in CLT shortly.
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 25):
You need to learn to hit the correct quote button!! You have to hit the one above the text, not below it!! You quoted me as saying something I didn't say!

Sorry about that, like I said yesterday these are my first few posts ever on airliners. That was meant for N710PS
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
Absolutely Smile Right up there with Citrus!

I always liked Critter.
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting USA9195 (Reply 27):
As for the kiosks I have no earthly idea..I know their are new ones going around the system and they should be in CLT shortly.

Actually, I haven't had a kiosk failure in CLT in some time. It's ORD and STL that have been kicking my butt (though my favorite is still the one in March when the kiosks in JAX worked but would not produce bag tags and they had to hand write them).
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting BrettFromCLT (Reply 29):
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
Absolutely Smile Right up there with Citrus!

I always liked Critter.

Oh, absolutely. That one's always going to be on the list of all time best call signs.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:27 am

I like waterski myself. It is humorous. In PHL one day we were a few birds behind one to go and after instructions were issued to him someone on frequency said "waterski? Is that what your going to do to your destination?"
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting SirOmega (Reply 13):
Plus "Cactus" is just cooler anyways .



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
Absolutely Right up there with Citrus!

Of course...nothign els ewould sound better except for maybe.."Trans World" or "Piedmont"...just my two cents though.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:35 pm

Piedmont is, of course, still in use by the US Express carrier of the same name.
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 24):
Isn't 620 the oldster? The one with more cycles than any other 320 still flying?

it's one of the highest time "buses in the world. There were some issues with it that Toulouse has to address a while ago.

It needs to be scrapped.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 35):
It needs to be scrapped.

Here here to that. I flew aboard that hunk of composite crap a few weeks ago to Omaha on vacay.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:59 am

I honestly don't understand how anybody likes the call sign cactus (  down  ). Personally, I like US current call sign. It sounds profesional, not like it's some funky little public charter vacation airline!
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 37):
...not like it's some funky little public charter vacation airline!

USAir is fine but old. using cactus will be just a little bit left over from the past. personally, i like it. it's unique, like citrus and clipper and amtrans.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting USA9195 (Reply 9):
Listen I have been reading these threads about the darn combined call sign for a while and I am fed up with this. Listen once and for all.....According to a Q&A in our company newsletter about two weeks ago it was announced that they have NOT!! decided what the final call sign will be. Enough of this "It's going to be Cactus" WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE YET, and if I have to I will post the Q&A.

I get the impression that some US East pilots are not too keen on using the Cactus callsign; what's the deal with this? I mean, you'd think that the old HP pilots would be ones with a bone to pick, they've given up a lot more. Why is the callsign so important?
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 39):
old HP pilots would be ones with a bone to pick, they've given up a lot more. Why is the callsign so important?

Please tell me that was a effing joke? Please tell me. Otherwiswe tell me in clearest details possible how they did what you state.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting N710PS (Reply 40):

No it's not a joke, it's a legit question. Maybe I don't understand the situation very well, but from the outside it would appear that HP lost more in the sense that the new company is called US and the planes are painted in US colors, the routes are largely still US routes, etc. Now, obviously US was the one that was bought out so I'm sure the new company looks more like HP in a corporate sense, but in a day to day operations sense it looks more like US (again, from the outside). But, based on you're reaction I'm obviously wrong, so please fill me in instead of trying to make me feel stupid, not everyone is an expert on the subject.
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:48 am

Oh god NOT another US pilot seniority thread.

620AW has the old old old old AWA seats and its cracks and whistles at the doors and it takes you straight back to the BRANIFF II years or was it BRANIFF III? Yea we should get rid fo the 620-640 A/C.

I am on leave from work and I am kinda glad I will not be going back to work until mid OCT. I worked during the res migration mess, not a happy place to be.
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 12):
It is kinda sad, but at the same time, it's a decent trade-off. The East guys get to keep their company name, and the west guys get to keep their call-sign.

Reminds me when Canadian regional carrier Pacific Western bought CP Air in 1987, the name changed to Canadian Airlines, the CP 2-letter code was retained and the PW code retired, and the callsigns "Empress" for CP Air and "Pacific Western" for PWA changed to "Canadian".


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I recall listening to my scanner the morning the callsign change was implemented (a year or so later when operating certificates were merged). An ex-CP Air pilot, probably after 25 or 30 years of using nothing but "Empress", kept saying, "Empress 123, I mean Canadian 123..." After about the 3rd time he said, "This is going to be a long day!"
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 41):
No it's not a joke, it's a legit question. Maybe I don't understand the situation very well,

HP chose to keep the better known brand name (Just like Cingular bought AT&T and now uses the tagline "Cingular is now the new AT&T).

HP kept the name and gained the routes as well as now working to integrate the existing operations into one coheshive whole.

That is really it, no need to feel bad  Smile
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 44):
(Just like Cingular bought AT&T and now uses the tagline "Cingular is now the new AT&T).

It's off-topic, but that's not exactly what happened.

Cingular was formed in 2001 as a joint partnership between SBC and BellSouth. In 2004, Cingular acquired AT&T Wireless, which was originally the wireless division of AT&T Corp. but had been spun off as an independent, publicly-traded company, licensing the AT&T brand.

SBC purchased the original AT&T Corp. in 2005, and changed its name to AT&T Inc. In late 2006, AT&T/SBC purchased BellSouth. Once that was completed, the wireless division was wholly owned by AT&T and rebranded as "the new AT&T" or just AT&T.

It's far more confusing than the combination of America West and US Airways.  Wink
 
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 42):
620AW has the old old old old AWA seats and its cracks and whistles at the doors and it takes you straight back to the BRANIFF II years or was it BRANIFF III? Yea we should get rid fo the 620-640 A/C.

N301US is even older, although I can't attest for its interior condition or anything like that.

N301US is cn 031, and N620AW is cn 052.

I should add that N301US is a NW aircraft, and N620AW could have more cycles, of course.

[Edited 2007-09-24 15:43:58]
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:49 pm

What about the dispatches?

Is USAir still keeping SABRE DECS, and AWE keeping SABRE-Bornemann.
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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 47):
Is USAir still keeping SABRE DECS, and AWE keeping SABRE-Bornemann.

As of tomorrow, US (no more HP) will be using DECS[sabre] across the board."

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RE: USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:46 am

Oh how I envy them, using the JR* Mask - so much easier than point and click!
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