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Swiss To "float Away" Damaged Avro RJ At LCY

Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:39 am

Swiss is going to float its damaged Avro RJ down the Thames for repairs, from London City Airport.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oating-pontoon-at-london-city.html

Do you think the aircraft can really be worth such a complicated repair job?

Love the way they covered up the "Swiss" titles, but who gives a damn about Star Alliance!!!
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:51 am

Since I took that pic, only one of the triangles is now visable on the tail.
 
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RE: Swiss To "float Away" Damaged Avro RJ At LCY

Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:56 am

Quote:
"Security-wise everything is being prepared. We are going to build a special hangar for the aircraft,"

I presume then they will be returning the repaired aircraft back to LCY again once it is airworthy. Should make for some interesting pictures!


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Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:00 am

This has been known for quite a while now. The only reason why they are repairing it is their shortage of regional aircraft.

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Love the way they covered up the "Swiss" titles, but who gives a damn about Star Alliance!!!

Well err, *A takes up the better part of the whole fuselage.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
but who gives a damn about Star Alliance!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself, as a loyal oneworld customer  Smile  Smile

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Do you think the aircraft can really be worth such a complicated repair job?

They wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't worth it. They'd just write it off and get the insurance company to pay out on it - obviously the repair is so costly as to write off the aircraft.
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:48 am

HB-IYU - I flew on that one last year, ZRH-MAN. I was disappointed because it was in *A colours (blech) and not one of the fancy "Zurich Shopping" ones or even regular Swiss. Shame about the Avro, but - couldn't have happened to a nicer paint job  Wink
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
This has been known for quite a while now. The only reason why they are repairing it is their shortage of regional aircraft.

True and LX is currently getting rid of all it's Avro RJ85's and it doesn't look like they are getting replaced with other RJ100's so the Swiss European fleet would be at 20 Aircraft eventually when IYU will rejoin the fleet again.
 
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:20 pm

I'm looking out my window, she's now on a barge: as she floats past I'll snap away and try to post some picks.


  

Anyone know where she's off too...if she's not flyable, it must be an airport where they can float her into it.

[Edited 2007-09-22 16:24:17]
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting BBJII (Reply 7):

Anyone know where she's off too...if she's not flyable, it must be an airport where they can float her into it.

Or probably some sort of dockyard or so. Just anywhere they have a large, empty hall will do i assume, all the needed equipment and manpower can be shipped to there.
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting BBJII (Reply 7):
Anyone know where she's off too...

The article linked in the original post says:
"The [Swiss International Air Lines] spokesman says it will be towed onto a marine pontoon and floated a short distance along the river to the north Royal Dock area.

"'Security wise everything is being prepared. We are going to build a special hangar for the aircraft . . .'"

Build a special hangar? Pretty expensive I would have thought.
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:26 am

The aircraft has been towed on it's barge to the North Side of the Dock.

Looks like they may tow it onto terra firma of the dock itself.
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Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
The article linked in the original post says:
"The [Swiss International Air Lines] spokesman says it will be towed onto a marine pontoon and floated a short distance along the river to the north Royal Dock area.

So i guessed right Big grin

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
Build a special hangar? Pretty expensive I would have thought.

The Swiss way of solving problems: Spend as much money as possible  Wink
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 11):
The Swiss way of solving problems: Spend as much money as possible Wink

lol... so true
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:24 am

My pictures have now been uploaded and can be seen via Flight Global :

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oating-pontoon-at-london-city.html

[Edited 2007-09-24 18:28:38]
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:55 am

Thanks. Cool photos. I would like to ride on a AVRO RJ 100 boat. Big grin
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:14 am

Just out of curiosity... where was this a/c stored for all this time? I thought LCY was a pretty tight airport with very little if no place to spare. I looked the thread about the accident but couldn't find any info about this.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:16 am

Would be cool to have an aerial shot of her in her new location...
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:25 am

The aircraft has been parked at the end of the runway near the Jetcentre and the large green fire-fighting plane but this space is too small to carry out any work.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:25 am

Ah thanks Seansas for that precision... that would be just right of the yellow trucks on the Google Earth images right?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 14):
Thanks. Cool photos. I would like to ride on a AVRO RJ 100 boat.

Not quite as big as KL's 747-206SUD "boat", when it was shipped by barge (minus wings/tail) through the canals of AMS in 2004 to reach it's new home at the Aviodrome Museum at Lelystad near AMS.


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RE: Swiss To "float Away" Damaged Avro RJ At LCY

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Icna05e (Reply 15):
I looked the thread about the accident but couldn't find any info about this.

It wasn't a real accident. They had a hard landing because of heavy winds, which damaged the aircraft. I think the passengers didn't even notice that the plane was damaged. So there was no thread about it.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:21 am

I flew in from ZRH on a BAE146 on Sunday...

Boy they land these things hard, we bounced twice on landing which produced such a noise it vibrated through my bones !

I looked for the damaged Bae146 but I guessed theyve already removed it as it wasnt there... certainly wasnt at any of the gates or down by the firestation and private parking ramp.

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Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):

Do you think the aircraft can really be worth such a complicated repair job?

If only to operate into LCY and other high yield/short runway airports, yes.
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
If only to operate into LCY and other high yield/short runway airports, yes.

Maybe the work isnt that expensive, given the UK is the home of the 146, getting spares and engineers is probably a lot cheaper than say to do this in another country..

If this had been an F50.. it'd probably have been game over.. the cost of expenses / personnel and parts delivery from Holland would have seen it off. I reckon it was probably a close call though.

The revenue generated on the LCY-ZRH route is probably higher than the LHR-ZRH route ..I know ive had a few good air fares on this route and many people around me think nothing of a 2-3 x weekly commute at £400 return.
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:02 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 23):

Another key cause in favor of the repair was LX's aircraft shortage. They have to wetlease a lot of equipment to keep shorthaul operations running an dthey cant afford losing another aircraft.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 21):
I looked for the damaged Bae146

To be correct and a little bit picky LX does not fly Bae 146 but newer AVRO RJ 100. As I know you can compare the difference like between a B 737 classic and NG.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):

I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?
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Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 26):
I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?

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Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 21):
I flew in from ZRH on a BAE146 on Sunday...

Boy they land these things hard, we bounced twice on landing which produced such a noise it vibrated through my bones !

Most probably because of the runway lenght. There's not enough room for flaring as long as hell Big grin Having also flown AVROs several times, I've experienced very smooth landings only.
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Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 26):
I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?

Many years ago (maybe 15?), an SAS DC-9 had a hard landing in Northern Norway, cracking the fuselage if I remember well. This DC-9 was transported back to Fornebu by boat, all around Norway.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:19 am

Breiz

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19870223-0

I think that this is the one.

Strictly speaking this is off topic.

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Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 29):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 26):
I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?

Many years ago (maybe 15?), an SAS DC-9 had a hard landing in Northern Norway, cracking the fuselage if I remember well. This DC-9 was transported back to Fornebu by boat, all around Norway.

There's also a photo somewhere of a JAL DC-8-62 on a barge at SFO in 1968 after it was recovered from San Francisco Bay. It landed about 2 miles short of the runway in 10 feet of water without even any injuries. It was repaired by UA and returned to service 4 months later.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681122-0
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:51 pm

How truely bizare. Certainly a site I would have liked to have seen.

Is it just me or do Swiss seem to have quite a few operational incidents? That is a question not a statement by the way!
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting Ryanair (Reply 32):
Is it just me or do Swiss seem to have quite a few operational incidents? That is a question not a statement by the way!

They had a few unlucky weeks with their longhaul fleet. Two aircraft were damaged on the ground by jetways and they had a few problems with the A332 engines, but of lately, everything is running smoothly again, as far as i know. I don't think they have any more technical problems than any airline of their size, but since they are short of planes and have to stretch their fleet to the max to fly their schedule, any issue has a domino-effect on the whole fleet. This shall change in 2008 onc ethey'll receive their 15th A340 which will be sitting at ZRH as a spare aircraft.
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 33):
This shall change in 2008 onc ethey'll receive their 15th A340 which will be sitting at ZRH as a spare aircraft.

Let's just hope planes don't go tech once the spare plane is used to fly for planes which are getting maintananced. Isn't the majority of the A332's in need ot C / D checks? It's interesting to know if the current A32S fleet is used at maximum capacity, as operatios there are usually vers smooth? Or planes barely go tech or there are always subs availabke which I doubt otherwise we wouldn't have all those leased in planes form helvetic, spanair etc that operate flights on behalf of LX.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:54 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 33):
This shall change in 2008 once they'll receive their 15th A340 which will be sitting at ZRH as a spare aircraft.

The LX website fleet list shows 10 A340-300s as of July 2007. Are they really adding aother 5 between now and next year? I knew they had acquired a few used 343s but didn't' realize it was that many. Where have all the used ones come from? I believe at least a couple are ex-AC and OS.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 25):
To be correct and a little bit picky LX does not fly Bae 146 but newer AVRO RJ 100.

G-FLTC is flying FOR LX, but not in LX-colors - and that one is a BAe 146-300.
Aircraft and/or crew shortage at LX - the same reason why F100's HB-JVE and -JVF from 2L are also flying for LX.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 35):

Yes they are indeed, apart from the two ex-OS birds, all will be ex-AC.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
Quoting Breiz (Reply 29):Quoting Gkirk (Reply 26):
I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?

Many years ago (maybe 15?), an SAS DC-9 had a hard landing in Northern Norway, cracking the fuselage if I remember well. This DC-9 was transported back to Fornebu by boat, all around Norway.
There's also a photo somewhere of a JAL DC-8-62 on a barge at SFO in 1968 after it was recovered from San Francisco Bay. It landed about 2 miles short of the runway in 10 feet of water without even any injuries. It was repaired by UA and returned to service 4 months later.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...122-0

The Tu-144 on display at Auto- und Technikmuseum Sinsheim was also transported by barge across the Baltic Sea (aka. Ostsee) and then upstream the river Rhine ...
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 20):
So there was no thread about it.

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Quoting Gkirk (Reply 26):
I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?

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Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
Build a special hangar? Pretty expensive I would have thought.

Maybe they would use one of those temporary "clamshell" type shelters. There might be one big enough for the Avro. Also, a PEB wouldn't be that prohibitive compared to the costs of writing-off the aircraft.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 35):
The LX website fleet list shows 10 A340-300s as of July 2007. Are they really adding aother 5 between now and next year?

Since last friday the 11th A340 has joined LX's fleet. The remaining 4 will join the fleet between Feb - May 08