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UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:50 am

Hello Everyone,
Lately I have been noticing a lot of mismatched engine cowlings on UA A320/A319 aircraft. I understand that they swap out parts when needed such as these but there just seems to be a high amount of them. It seems to be mainly on the grey scheme aircraft that have the new paint cowlings. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? Is it a lot of damaged cowlings that needs to be replaced? Getting the birds ready for the new paint? Or is it xyz??

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:13 am

I'm not with UA so I have no true idea but here is what I think.

I suspect that they are getting ready for some mass painting and for the fact that both United's new color scheme and TED's color scheme both use the same colored engine cowlings. I figure they don't want to be painting anything in the old color scheme so they've ordered and painted all the parts for the new scheme.

I doubt that these a/c will changing over to the TED brand but it's nice to have interchangeable parts.

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:36 am

I've seen Qantas borrowed BA's engine cowlings and BA also borrowed QF's engine cowlings on their B744s.
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:15 am

Cowlings get dinged up all of the time and often need to be repainted, more often the the aircraft. Since UA is repainting all of the aircraft eventually, there is little point in repainting a cowling in the old colors. With the A320/319 there may be a connection to TED where a large group of planes (probably the group most in need of paint anyway) were repainted all at once, while the rest of the fleet was only repainted as part of their normal maintenance schedule. One thing they do not want to allow to happen if they can help it is to have the new livery with the old cowlings.
 
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:31 pm

Happens all the time, -here's a funny one from last spring:

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:42 pm

Quoting Stealth777 (Thread starter):
Hello Everyone,
Lately I have been noticing a lot of mismatched engine cowlings on UA A320/A319 aircraft. I understand that they swap out parts when needed such as these but there just seems to be a high amount of them. It seems to be mainly on the grey scheme aircraft that have the new paint cowlings. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? Is it a lot of damaged cowlings that needs to be replaced? Getting the birds ready for the new paint? Or is it xyz??

I have been wondering the same thing for quite some time. Just never got around to posting the question.

I understand the issue of using any cowling when replacing regardless of color. But yeah, I was wondering why so many cowlings have apparently been replaced. I mean, it really does appear that virtually all UA A319/A320s in the old colors have the mismatched cowlings. Is that a particularly vulnerable part on the A320 series?
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:43 pm

It is more startling when a temporary rudder with the wrong livery is put onto an aircraft. In recent years this has happened several tines with BA aircraft. The most startling example was with a 734, G-DOCZ. It was still painted in the old BA Landor colours around five years ago when it was fitted with a new rudder painted in the current BA livery:

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What many did not realise, at least until 2005 is that since they introduced their current Union Flag livery BA has adapted it on all aircraft except their 744 and RJ100 fleets. Look at the tail of this 763 (G-BNWR) in both the original and current Union Flag scheme:

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When the 'wrong' rudder got fitted as happened on both a 752 and a 763 a couple of summers ago, you get a noticeable mismatch and then realise that many of BA's aircraft have distinctly different tails with the whiter tail being the original Union Flag scheme:

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As you can see the 763 has the old tail and a new rudder while the 752 has the new tail and old rudder.
 
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:31 pm

Just old paint scheme aircraft with new paint scheme cowlings. They will match up fine when the aircraft get their new white base paint job.

Guess you could say the cowlings are right but the aircraft paint is wrong???? grin
 
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 7):
Just old paint scheme aircraft with new paint scheme cowlings. They will match up fine when the aircraft get their new white base paint job.

Yes, we know that. I think the question the thread starter was asking was more about why so many UA A319/320 aircraft have had cowling replacements. I'm curious as well.
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 8):
I think the question the thread starter was asking was more about why so many UA A319/320 aircraft have had cowling replacements.

I'm not sure that they have more than normal, they just have a pretty large fleet and are going through a livery change that altered the nacelle colour so it's more likely that you'll notice it on a UA plane.

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):
I'm not sure that they have more than normal, they just have a pretty large fleet and are going through a livery change that altered the nacelle colour so it's more likely that you'll notice it on a UA plane.

But you don't see this on UA's 737s and 757s still in old colors.
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:20 am

The sad truth is that United is unwilling to spend the money properly maintaining the appearance of their aircraft. The other part of the answer is hidden in this image:


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Notice that, besides the cowl, the overwing slide door (just visible above the wing trailing edge root) is also mismatched. Looks to be from a Ted plane. There are a great many UA 319/320's running around with mismatched slide doors because of a required inspection/fix on that component; the doors were removed and so as to get the planes back in service quickly, any modified door available was used as a replacement. Now they're all mixed up. Could be that such required work is being carried out on the cowls as well. The Airbus has had problems with cowl latching as well as overwing slide door latching. Just a theory.

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:31 am

the other day i was connecting in denver and i saw a 777 with the star alliance color, but had the nose part with the old united colors. it was so funny that i was laughing
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting HAMAD (Reply 12):
the other day i was connecting in denver and i saw a 777 with the star alliance color, but had the nose part with the old united colors. it was so funny that i was laughing

that's the problem with being in transition in terms of livery. UA has a very high fleet utilization amongst their long-haul aircraft. My guess is that it isn't worth the time or money to paint parts that don't match when they are just being swapped in.

I'll be happy when they finish painting their aircraft. Anyone know when they are due to be finished transitioning into the new livery?
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting GreenArc (Reply 11):
The sad truth is that United is unwilling to spend the money properly maintaining the appearance of their aircraft. :

Actually, with a fleet the size of UA's A320/A319's, some 150+/- aircraft, I doubt GreenArc or anyone else could
keep all the parts matched during a fleet repaint.

I think the cowls were ordered in the "new" blue, as ,yes, this is a part that gets "fod" damaged quite frequently.
 
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 10):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):
I'm not sure that they have more than normal, they just have a pretty large fleet and are going through a livery change that altered the nacelle colour so it's more likely that you'll notice it on a UA plane.

But you don't see this on UA's 737s and 757s still in old colors.

Good point. I do know that UA does their paint schedule independently of their maintenance schedule, so maybe they're just working through the fleets one at a time.

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:35 pm

If the engine cowlings are the parts that gets damaged frequently, how come it's only the Airbus aircraft and not the Boeing's? (not starting an A vs. B war) But haven't seen this on UA Boeing's yet. Pretty strange to me. However, the reasons given above make sense to a point but still, what's up UA can't we get those planes painted like Delta is doing?

Don't get me wrong I like UA but sometimes the way they run the shop, you just have to scratch your head and wonder.  Confused

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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:25 pm

There is a Virgin A340-600 that for the last month or so has been flying around with a White engine cowling.
 
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RE: UA And The Mismatched Engine Cowlings

Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):



Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):
It is more startling when a temporary rudder with the wrong livery is put onto an aircraft. In recent years this has happened several tines with BA aircraft. The most startling example was with a 734, G-DOCZ. It was still painted in the old BA Landor colours around five years ago when it was fitted with a new rudder painted in the current BA livery:

This is normal the rudder is always painted first off of the a/c. if you look at pictures of a/c at Boeing field you will see lots of a/c in primer but with the rudder painted with the airlines c/s.

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