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767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:53 am

how many 767-400's were built.

was on CO today on one to GIG and its such a beauty. why have airlines lost intrest in this model?
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:05 am

38 ordered, 37 delivered. And one has been ordered by the US government, but not built...

CO has 16. DL has 21.

I love the plane personally. Too bad it didn't perform well enough for other carriers to buy it...
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:06 am

38 in total.

See this thread the last reply.  Smile
RE: Who Has The Most 767s? (by OHLHD Jan 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 2):
38 in total.

37 in total BUILT...
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
37 in total BUILT...

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b767-16.htm

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b767-17.htm

I just counted them together and I see 22 listed as active with DL. Is this site not accurate?
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:19 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
37 in total BUILT...

Calm down, his reply was only 45ish seconds after yours. You were typing at the same time.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:25 am

Hypothetically, I know that the 767 line is still "open", but are all models available to be built if ordered, or are there only some models available?
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:30 am

CH shows 21 at DL, N825MH through N845MH
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 6):
Hypothetically, I know that the 767 line is still "open", but are all models available to be built if ordered, or are there only some models available?

The 767-200ER, -300ER, 300F and 400ER are listed as available. The -200 and -300 are not.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:47 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 4):
I just counted them together and I see 22 listed as active with DL. Is this site not accurate?

I've often found that sites like AirFleets are out of date or incomplete. Why not go straight to the source? Boeing's orders/deliveries data on their website confirms 37 767-400ERs delivered, 21 for DL and 16 for CO. The most recent delivery was May 31, 2002 to CO.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 6):
Hypothetically, I know that the 767 line is still "open", but are all models available to be built if ordered, or are there only some models available?

According to Boeing, the -200ER, -300ER, -400ER and Freighter (based on the -300ER) are all still available.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I've often found that sites like AirFleets are out of date or incomplete. Why not go straight to the source? Boeing's orders/deliveries data on their website confirms 37 767-400ERs delivered, 21 for DL and 16 for CO. The most recent delivery was May 31, 2002 to CO.

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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
37 in total BUILT...

Chill. Big grin

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5):
Calm down, his reply was only 45ish seconds after yours. You were typing at the same time.

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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5):
Calm down, his reply was only 45ish seconds after yours. You were typing at the same time.

But it was wrong. Unless he knows more than Boeing...  Wink
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:00 am

The Boeing 767-400ER is my favorite current generation jetliner and its a shame it did not catch on, I miss flying the beauty with DL.
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
But it was wrong. Unless he knows more than Boeing...

Don´t worry I don't.  Smile I must accept my faith. Big grin

I did not read it as an offense.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
how many 767-400's were built.

was on CO today on one to GIG and its such a beauty. why have airlines lost intrest in this model?

I love the 764, too. My favorite airplane of all time, along with the DHC-8-Q400. Fortunately, I've flown on the 764 many many times.
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:34 am

what is the reason for airlines with large fleets of 767 not ordering them? are they not fuel friendly? how do they compare with a a330's?
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:13 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 14):
I did not read it as an offense.

I didn't think you did, as I did not mean it as such. I was only clarifying that there were 38 ordered, but only 37 delivered, with the 1 undelivered airliner a "UFO" which has always been rumored to be some sort of US military order...

Quoting VC10er (Reply 16):
what is the reason for airlines with large fleets of 767 not ordering them? are they not fuel friendly? how do they compare with a a330's?

They are actually very fuel friendly. But they are range limited for their size. Originally, Boeing had tried to sell it with longer range but Boeing failed to deliver that design later in the offering period. To a certain degree, you might blame DL who wanted the 764 as a domestic bird, and didn't want to carry around the extra weight or wingspan of a longer range model. And now they are using them internationally and would probably like them to have better range! Be careful what you ask for...

The 772A, with a similar capacity (about 15% larger) and similar range, also didn't sell particularly well. Airlines generally wanted a more capable plane like the 772ER or the A332, both with longer ranges and LD3 ability. Further, Boeing spent a lot of time selling 777s to 767 customers, so to then turn around and say "hey, take the 764 as well, sure it doesn't quite make sense with your large fleets of 772s and 763s, but..." Doesn't make a lot of sense, right?

DL didn't have a fleet of 777s, and CO didn't have a fleet of 763s, but both had L1011/DC10s to replace, so for these two carriers, the plane made sense. DL for domestic use, and CO for Pacific use (at first).

But for BA, AA, JL, NH, etc., it was just a model wedged between the 763ER and 772A/ER, and less capable than both of them!
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
I didn't think you did, as I did not mean it as such. I was only clarifying that there were 38 ordered, but only 37 delivered, with the 1 undelivered airliner a "UFO" which has always been rumored to be some sort of US military order...

It was intended to be the E-10A testbed/prototype, kinda like a E-3/E-8 hybrid. I thought that construction had started on it, as the funding had passed for the airframe, though not the project itself.
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
They are actually very fuel friendly. But they are range limited for their size. Originally, Boeing had tried to sell it with longer range but Boeing failed to deliver that design later in the offering period.

If memory correct, Kenya Airways had ordered a few 764s (not sure if it was officially considered an order or perhaps only a letter of intent etc.) but had 2nd thoughts and switched to the 777-200ER. They now operate 4 of those.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:11 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
I didn't think you did,

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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 18):

It was intended to be the E-10A testbed/prototype, kinda like a E-3/E-8 hybrid. I thought that construction had started on it, as the funding had passed for the airframe, though not the project itself.

Is that the one that has been sitting on the Boeing Flight Line for a while?
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 21):
Is that the one that has been sitting on the Boeing Flight Line for a while?

No, that one was for the abortive tanker leasing program. I have no idea what will happen to it?
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:57 pm

Quoting Rwessel (Reply 8):
. The -200 and -300 are not.

But if somebody really really wanted one.. since the 767 line is open.. would they build it?
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting Scorpy (Reply 23):
But if somebody really really wanted one.. since the 767 line is open.. would they build it?

If you offered them enough money, sure. But that amount of money would probably buy you a whole fleet of ERs. Now if you wanted a hundred, I'd say probably, but what would be the justification? There is going to be a very small range of missions that a 200/300 can fly more efficiently than a 200ER/300ER.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:37 am

Can anyone confirm if the USAF will take delivery of the 767-400 they ordered for the canceled E-10A program? That aircraft was scheduled for delivery late this year.
 
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 21):
No, that one was for the abortive tanker leasing program. I have no idea what will happen to it?

I've heard that it is slated for scrapping.
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RE: 767-400, How Many Built?

Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
I love the plane personally. Too bad it didn't perform well enough for other carriers to buy it...

The 764 was essentially "custom-made" for CO and DL, designed to replace DC-10s and L-1011s on high-density domestic routes. She performs great at her intended mission.