MAH4546
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Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:39 pm

When Aviacsa left Miami in November 2005, they promise they'd be back. They didn't lie:

Effective 1 December 2007:

6A 601 MTY 1025-1235 CUN 1335-1610 MIA 732 Daily
6A 602 MIA 1710-1745 CUN 1845-2115 MTY 732 Daily

This time around the flight will route via Cancun, which is a much bigger market from Miami than Monterrey. Here's hoping that they do end up bringing the MTY-MIA non-stops back eventually.
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:42 am

Looks like the flight still isn't bookable. Anybody know when it will be?
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:39 am

Thanx for the info. Good to see good old Aviacsa expanding in the US. I read foreign airlines transport more than 75% of the total passenger traffic into Mexico. AM and MX need some help internationally. Good news for Mexican aviation. hopefully they'll announce their return to ORD soon.
 
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:41 pm

Doesn't the US-Mexico air treaty expand in 2008 to allow three carriers from each side on USA-MEX/GDL/MTY routes? If so, I would think that Aviacsa will definitely enter the MIA-MEX market, considering how busy and lucrative it is.
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Doesn't the US-Mexico air treaty expand in 2008 to allow three carriers from each side on USA-MEX/GDL/MTY routes? If so, I would think that Aviacsa will definitely enter the MIA-MEX market, considering how busy and lucrative it is.

Hi MAH4546,

Very good news you brought to us. In fact, i already knew about this return but a date wasn't set until seems, very recently. AFAIK, ORD is out of their business plan, they just won't return. OTOH, they have plans for 2 more US cities in the short term... but as always they're suffering from fleet shortage. Very soon the're getting 6 additional Boeing 737-200As and they're going to retire 3 B737-200s, so fleet is growing only by 3.

You're are right, effectively October 1st 2007, 3 carriers from each side will be able to fly the same route, but, this treaty ONLY includes GDL and MTY.

For GDL, it's awkward none yet have applied, i could think of Aviacsa and AeroCalifornia but they both lack frames. Perhap's 6A could do this one with B737-300, don't know if this would be possible and JR necessarily needs the MD80 which the first two, ex. N934/935AS should be already here! But Volaris or Interjet with A32X any minute i can see them applying.

On the MTY side... i can think of so many trying to lure the MTY-LAX market... such as AeroMexico, AeroCalifornia again, Interjet and Volaris as well as VivaAerobús which could start a WN effect on the route with 2 frequencies and even increasing it to 4 daily's... with those low fares anybody would love to fly them.

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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:03 am

Anyone else thinks here that 6A would make an appealing merger partner for the likes of A Volar or Viva Aerobus??? By merger, I mean any combination in the broad sense, including acquisition of assets (i.e., MEX slots, cross-border route authorities and newer frames -or the rights to those leases-).

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
soon the're getting 6 additional Boeing 737-200As

Oh man, why no -300's? Honestly... how long will they keep the -200As before it is time to replace them with newer frames?

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
carriers from each side will be able to fly the same route, but, this treaty ONLY includes GDL and MTY.

Guess MX and AM retained very good lobbyists so as to protect MEX-XXX city pairs.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
For GDL, it's awkward none yet have applied, i could think of Aviacsa and AeroCalifornia but they both lack frames. Perhap's 6A could do this one with B737-300, don't know if this would be possible and JR necessarily needs the MD80 which the first two, ex. N934/935AS should be already here! But Volaris or Interjet with A32X any minute i can see them applying.

Could Alma, whose hub is GDL, launch international flights soon?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:04 am

Just to note, the flight is now bookable on travel websites such as Expedia, Travelocity, etc. However, it still isn't bookable on Aviacsa's own website.

I hope that if Aviacsa is successful they look at returning to MIA-MTY. The loads were never that bad (60-70%, which is totally on par with AM and MX's loads out of MIA), and the Miami-Mexico market is one that has seen significant growth in the past few years, especially from MEX and MTY.

Too bad that MEX will remain "two-carrier". Some markets like MIA-MEX could really welcome another.
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
For GDL, it's awkward none yet have applied, i could think of Aviacsa and AeroCalifornia but they both lack frames. Perhap's 6A could do this one with B737-300, don't know if this would be possible and JR necessarily needs the MD80 which the first two, ex. N934/935AS should be already here! But Volaris or Interjet with A32X any minute i can see them applying.

Sorry for this, i should have included or had read GDL-LAX.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Anyone else thinks here that 6A would make an appealing merger partner for the likes of A Volar or Viva Aerobus??? By merger, I mean any combination in the broad sense, including acquisition of assets (i.e., MEX slots, cross-border route authorities and newer frames -or the rights to those leases-).

Avolar and Viva sure make an appealing merger for so many reasons... philosophy, market and fleet B737-300/500s. As for 6A i don't think they're on the same channel, more over, 6A owners, the Morales family is not interested in any similar scenario. 6A is making money and investing on its possible way. It's not easy to compete against airlines which were very protected and financed by a government and more over, with this increase in competition things are getting worse, as long as 6A keeps being safety and does not go allà VASP, i think everything is ok.

Sure everyone would love to have 6A slot assets of MEX/MTY/GDL/TIJ/CUN... but i don't see that anytime coming soon. Watch out for Azteca's assets... very unfortunately, i think ZE is down on the game... safe to say this by October 5th, 2007, if they don't resume service by that that date, its AOC (Air Operating Certificate) will get revoked.
MX was the first in line requesting for more slots long ago but there might be entrance of new carriers. Hopefully we get to see Viva or Avolar at MEX pleaseeeee!!!!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Oh man, why no -300's? Honestly... how long will they keep the -200As before it is time to replace them with newer frames?

Good question Eddie! Parece la de los 64K... I too ask myself when are they're leaving... IMHO... 2013-2015.... yes...a good Boeing frame, well maintained, can last 30 to 40 years. 6A average 22-24 years in its fleet. Note JR Dc9s! Those too keep going stronger and stronger.... if DC9-15s wer off on 2005... i see those Dc9-32s leaving by 2012-2013.

Also, it will sound odd, but some of Aviacsa's B737-200s, all the ex. ZK are newer versus Viva's B737-300s which are late 88 productions.... those frames could go up to 2018 if you ask me safely... issue here.. what 6A needs to evaluate is fuel consumption. This is what mainly killed the 3 holer in the US after 9/11.... 727, DC10, MD11, 747... they're still good to be flown but expensive to operate during this fierce battle fields out there with Low fare carriers and LCC.

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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
Very soon the're getting 6 additional Boeing 737-200As and they're going to retire 3 B737-200s, so fleet is growing only by 3.



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Oh man, why no -300's? Honestly... how long will they keep the -200As before it is time to replace them with newer frames?

more -200s??? WHY?

I agree with Eddie. Aviacsa must be getting a great deal, otherwise why get those old, noisy, fuel sucking things.
 
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:50 pm

Pity its not the 727s. Be nice to see the 727 back on international routes out the States.
 
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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
Pity its not the 727s. Be nice to see the 727 back on international routes out the States.

Well, is a shame 6A has gotten rid of the last 727 1 or 2 years ago. On the flip side, the 727 was noisier than the 737 family, especially during takeoff.

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RE: Aviacsa Returns To Miami

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:17 am

Well guys let me tell you that it looks like this lfight to MIAMI got cancelled.
I called the reservation number in Houston Tx to ask about the price of the flight to MIA from MTY via CUN.

They told me they got a fax with a letter from management in Mexico saying it was cancelled.

He didnt want to say why....

but it looks there is no flight to Miami with Aviacse anymore or yet...

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