LY777
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### Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

Are LY a/c younger than they really are? I mean, if LY works roughly 300 days per year (ie 82% of the year), can we say that their a/c are younger than they really are? Does this mean that a 767 that is 23 years old is in reality only 19 year-old?
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

 Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):if LY works roughly 300 days per year

Why 300days. A year is 365days.

Has it something with the religion to do??
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swiftski
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

They still can leave TLV, say, on a Friday night, and fly over a Saturday. They won't land or depart TLV on Saturdays though. Again, they may leave JFK on a Saturday night and land Sunday morning. So they can operate 7/week.

LY4XELD
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

Aircraft age is aircraft age. It's the number of cycles that count. If LY were to sell its aircraft, the new operator would be interested in how many cycles the aircraft had. Maintenance is usually measured this way also, for the exact reason you ask your question. Different airlines have different route frequencies, so calendar-year age is kept out of maintenance and aircraft life. Of couse, calendar year age does have an affect on potential corrosion, etc. that will happen regardless of the number of cycles. If the airplane sits on the ground, it's more likely to have potential corrosion if it's at an airport such as MIA (high humidity, salty air).
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jasonmiller
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

 Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):Has it something with the religion to do??

They don't fly on Saturdays.

 Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2):They still can leave TLV, say, on a Friday night, and fly over a Saturday. They won't land or depart TLV on Saturdays though. Again, they may leave JFK on a Saturday night and land Sunday morning. So they can operate 7/week.

They can, but they don't do it.

swiftski
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

 Quoting JasonMiller (Reply 4):They can, but they don't do it.

Rarely, you're right. The next I could find is this one.

06OCT 06OCT .....6. 2215 (TLV) 0415 (JFK) LY 033 777 0 EL AL

David_itl
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

IF they don't fly Saturdays, how come this is showing in the LHR timetable:

19-Sep 25-Sep 1 2 3 4 - 6 7 1 2230 0420+1 LY0318 EQV Non-Stop 04:35 hrs

Most timetables have 1 = Monday through to 7 = Sunday. You'd be hard pressed to find any Friday services though?!

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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

 Quoting David_itl (Reply 6):19-Sep 25-Sep 1 2 3 4 - 6 7 1 2230 0420+1 LY0318 EQV Non-Stop 04:35 hrs

Per my post:

 Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2):Again, they may leave JFK on a Saturday night and land Sunday morning.

 Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2): They won't land or depart TLV on Saturdays though.

By the same token:

 Quoting David_itl (Reply 6):You'd be hard pressed to find any Friday services though?!

... because LHR-TLV for example, on 318 is an overnight, so would land Saturday in TLV ... that's a

LAXintl
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

While LY might only operate 6 days per week, the carrier does manage quite good utilization of its fleet.

For instance, from Boeing utilization statistics, El Al managed the following daily averages (365 day year) thru 2006.

B737 - 9.04
B757 - 9.32
B767 - 10.70
B777 - 12.76
B744 - 11.78
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

 Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):While LY might only operate 6 days per week, the carrier does manage quite good utilization of its fleet.

One factor that increases utilization is LY's inability to overfly Arab countries on TLV-Asia routes which means much longer routings. I believe their TLV-BKK flights fly down the Red Sea and then make a left turn over the Indian Ocean, resulting in a flight time of almost 11 hours, 2 hours longer than RJ's AMM-BKK nonstops. TLV and AMM are 59 nm apart.

jasonmiller
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

 Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5):Rarely, you're right. The next I could find is this one. 06OCT 06OCT .....6. 2215 (TLV) 0415 (JFK) LY 033 777 0 EL AL

 Quoting David_itl (Reply 6):IF they don't fly Saturdays, how come this is showing in the LHR timetable: 19-Sep 25-Sep 1 2 3 4 - 6 7 1 2230 0420+1 LY0318 EQV Non-Stop 04:35 hrs

Shabbat (The Jewish Saturday) is observed from sundown on Friday until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat

todaReisinger
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

....in any case, El Al's planes look rather "older than they really are"......

For instance, I was always impressed by the 2 737s El Al was operating, I flew on both of them numerous times between GVA and TLV; they looked very old already in the late 1980s, when they were not even 10 years old....

Maybe the management is calculating the age of its fleet in some kabbalistic way and comes to the conclusion that its antiquated 742s and outdated 767s are still the very best option available in the 21st century....and thus the "imminent fleet renewal plan" that never comes.....
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### RE: Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?

The 762s have been worked to death, flying quite long routes and for many many years.

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