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PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:51 am

PIA will downgrade Pakistan-JFK to twice weekly from current three starting with winter schedule from 28 October.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:12 am

yeah its true...flights are on Saturday and Sunday only...both flights will be flown using a B 773ER.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:14 am

Think this is only for the winter timetable. Think they will have 3 weekly in the summers at least.
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
Think this is only for the winter timetable. Think they will have 3 weekly in the summers at least.

Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily, I think. It would behoove them to start service to EWR as well.
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily, I think. It would behoove them to start service to EWR as well.

So you mean that PIA should serve both EWR and JFK??? Dont think that is good for PIA, first they should expand the frequency to JFK.
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
So you mean that PIA should serve both EWR and JFK??? Dont think that is good for PIA, first they should expand the frequency to JFK.

Yes, the goal is to eventually serve both EWR and JFK. And why not? Air India does it. Jet Airways do it. And while your at it, why not go after some of the Indian market as well since PIA serves both DEL and BOM too.
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily, I think. It would behoove them to start service to EWR as well.

Some of their older aircraft have been banned from operating in the EU, and don't have the legs for PK-USA nonstop.

Also, with EK and QR stepping up service, and US carriers embracing ULH from USA to the middle east, the competitive landscape is changing, to PK's detriment.
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:52 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 5):
Yes, the goal is to eventually serve both EWR and JFK. And why not? Air India does it. Jet Airways do it. And while your at it, why not go after some of the Indian market as well since PIA serves both DEL and BOM too.

I would imagine eventually is the word. I would have thought PIA would need to up a daily frequency to JFK before considering EWR. It tends to the be the airlines with multiple daily flights that serve both JFK and EWR for obvious reasons. Probably LOT is the smallest airline with a split operation
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:49 pm

Quoting N77014 (Reply 6):
Some of their older aircraft have been banned from operating in the EU, and don't have the legs for PK-USA nonstop.

Also, the US govt won't allow PIA to fly nonstop using their 772LRs anyway, due to some security reasons?
Canadians allow them to do nonstop though...
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:48 pm

It is a well known fact that PIA has been losing money on its JFK route for many years now and the situation is bound to get even worse with the expansion of EK, EY and QR on the U.S. East Coast. The U.S. East Coast-PAK market is much bigger than the YYZ-PAK market and yet the latter has more weekly flights than the former!

Even if PIA needs to reduce JFK to twice a week services, it is unheard of to fly a route twice a week one day after another in the way PIA is doing at JFK from Oct i.e. SAT & SUN.

In order to control the financial bloodshed that its suffering, it might be wise for PIA to completely withdraw from USA altogether rather than continue to bleed $$$ flying this route for prestige purposes.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
it might be wise for PIA to completely withdraw from USA altogether rather than continue to bleed $$$ flying this route for prestige purposes.

Looks like thats where they are heading as had been rumored a while back.

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily,

Once upon a time PK operated atleast eight times weekly to JFK all 747.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):

Once upon a time PK operated atleast eight times weekly to JFK all 747.

Yeah, sad that things have panned out the way they have now, there is a huge market out there, but increasingly being gobbled up by the ME carriers.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:51 am

KHI-DXB also down to once a day from thrice daily.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:04 am

It would be more lucurative for PIA to get a good trans-atlantic SPA deal with AA, UA, VS, DL & CO out of LHR, MAN & BHX respectively for their North American passengers by flying them from PAK to UK and then feed them to these carriers via the UK to USA.

In this manner, they will be offering a convenient ONE STOP product from all major USA cities via UK to all 3 major Pakistani cities on a DAILY BASIS which is much better than flying twice a week KHI-LHE/ISB-MAN-JFK on Sat & Sun !!!

[Edited 2007-09-26 19:05:48]
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13):
It would be more lucurative for PIA to get a good trans-atlantic SPA deal with AA, UA, VS, DL & CO out of LHR

Did so with VS in 1999 till 2001 ended due to Sep 11 drama.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
KHI-DXB also down to once a day from thrice daily.

EK seems to have taken over as the de facto flag carrier.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 am

whats happeing with those 77L?
Are they being put into good use?

looks like PIA should sell them (to DL or CO) and get 772er or more 773er instead.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:47 am

77L are only being used to Toronto, previously they also operated to JFK via MAN.
 
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RE: PIA To Reduce New York Frequency

Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:45 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 5):
And while your at it, why not go after some of the Indian market as well since PIA serves both DEL and BOM too.

Who would fly PK from JFK to anywhere in India when they have the European carriers, Gulf Carriers and Direct Carriers. Plus the layover time in KHI would be long for sure. PK is mainly O&D traffic, not connecting traffic.
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