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Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:07 am

In this modern age why do people still insist on calling the RAMP the Tarmac? Is it something cute or is it chic to use a word that does not describe thing correctly? There are no TARMAC agents nor any TARMAC Rats.

Tar and Macadam have not been used in years. Its now Asphalt! Imagine an Asphalt Rat or an Asphalt agent? ROFLMAO.
Most airports now use concrete at the gates. Aircraft sitting at the gate for an hour or more in hot weather sink into the TarMac or Asphalt.

Its a RAMP or and AOA (Aircraft Operating Area, for those who think they know it all or the media( and those to young to know better.
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting Mach3 (Thread starter):
In this modern age why do people still insist on calling the RAMP the Tarmac? Is it something cute or is it chic to use a word that does not describe thing correctly? There are no TARMAC agents nor any TARMAC Rats.

Tar and Macadam have not been used in years. Its now Asphalt! Imagine an Asphalt Rat or an Asphalt agent? ROFLMAO.
Most airports now use concrete at the gates. Aircraft sitting at the gate for an hour or more in hot weather sink into the TarMac or Asphalt.

Its a RAMP or and AOA (Aircraft Operating Area, for those who think they know it all or the media( and those to young to know better.

A little better.  Wink

It is just a old term that is still used and as long as there are people who still use it (like me), it will be used. Just as the cockpit is now the flight deck (although, if there are any female pilots, is it a box office? Big grin).

Some people like the word. It is still definitive as to what it is. The words are synonymous.
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:18 am

I'd say tarmac is just a term to mean any surface on which an aircraft sits that's not a taxiway or runway. Sure it may not be literal anymore, but the term itself has lived on. Kind of like Coke, there's no cocaine in it anymore, but they still call it Coke!
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
Kind of like Coke, there's no cocaine in it anymore, but they still call it Coke!


Thanks N766UA, I was looking for that exact reasoning. Couldn't think of it.
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Just as the cockpit is now the flight deck

In Germany, we still almost exclusively use the word "cockpit" when we refer to the flightdeck.  Wink
 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting Mach3 (Thread starter):
In this modern age why do people still insist on calling the RAMP the Tarmac? Is it something cute or is it chic to use a word that does not describe thing correctly? There are no TARMAC agents nor any TARMAC Rats.

Tarmac is used in other parts of world heavily as a generic term for pavement.
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):
Tarmac is used in other parts of world heavily as a generic term for pavement.

That's right, and here in good old blighty when we are cleaning the carpets we describe it as hoovering, even if we are using a Dyson...  crazy 

Some words just end up as metaphors. Lucky them! I wouldn't take it personally, though...  Smile

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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:04 pm

Hoovering?????? Now that SUCKS!!!!  cheeky   cheeky   cheeky   laughing   laughing   laughing   laughing 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:11 pm

It is an antiquated name for the cement apron.

More than you ever wanted to know about "Tarmac" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarmac
 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:13 pm

Just like every tissue is a kleenex  Wink
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:18 pm

Well for us at work when were talking to ATC asking to go to/from where the planes park, it's called the apron. When talking about the people that work out there, they are called ramp. When talking in a normal conversation about the place, most people around here use ramp and apron interchangably. I've heard "tarmac" before, but it's rarely used in these parts.
In general it seems the most proper way to do it is the people are "ramp" and the place is "the apron". Around here anyway.


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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:22 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):
pavement.

In Britain, the pavement is what Americans call a sidewalk. So someone driving for 200 yards on the pavement will receive a ticket.
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting Mach3 (Thread starter):
Most airports now use concrete at the gates. Aircraft sitting at the gate for an hour or more in hot weather sink into the TarMac or Asphalt.



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 8):
It is an antiquated name for the cement apron.

Speaking of concrete and cement, it's surprising how often those words are misused. People say cement blocks, cement wall, cement apron etc. when they really mean concrete. Cement is just one component of concrete (and the smallest component, about 10 to 15% I believe), followed by water and sand/gravel.
 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting Mach3 (Thread starter):
In this modern age why do people still insist on calling the RAMP the Tarmac? Is it something cute or is it chic to use a word that does not describe thing correctly?



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 8):
More than you ever wanted to know about "Tarmac" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarmac

The key item in that Wikipedia items is this gem:

"While the specific Tarmac pavement is not common in some countries today, many people use the word to refer to generic paved areas at airports, especially the airport ramp or "apron", near the terminals despite the fact that many of these areas are in fact made of concrete. This term seems to have been popularized when it became part of the news lexicon following live coverage of the Entebbe hijacking in 1976, where "Tarmac" was frequently used by the on-scene BBC reporter in describing the hijack scene. The term 'hardstanding' is also used for concrete aprons. The Wick Airport at Wick in Caithness, Scotland is one of the few airports that still has a real Tarmac runway."

Once something gets in the media's lexicon of terms and buzzwords (think "black boxes" instead of CVRs and DFDRS), they're pretty tough to get out. The media (IMHO) continues to use stuff like this because it sounds sexy/snazzy, and infers that it's a term that's used by the real "insiders", so it follows that the media folks also then know the "real" inside story on stuff. Yeah, right, just like all the stories on "Eyewitness News" were in fact all witnessed by people actually there on-scene....  Yeah sure
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:52 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
(although, if there are any female pilots, is it a box office? ).



No man, it's a COCKPIT!

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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:53 pm

So why not call it heavy hydrocarbon matrix supporting aggregate or some such more technical term?

High horse?

Geez Louise why the retentive need for technical terms that fit your vernacular? I could come up with many more technical references to ashphalt and concrete to call you out on if you like.

When someone says "tarmac" you understand what they mean, right? if so, then wtf?
 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:02 pm

So then,

Why do we refer to the non-movement area around the gates at an airport a "ramp" when most of them have very little, if any slope to them?  eyebrow 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Psyops (Reply 15):
Geez Louise why the retentive need for technical terms that fit your vernacular?

It's called "accuracy" and "context", two things which are commonly lacking in much of what we hear/see/read these days. If they take "creative" liberties with facts in areas that aviation folks know about, what kinds of liberties are they taking with other areas--ones we know less about and thus more heavily rely upon them for?
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 16):
So then,

Why do we refer to the non-movement area around the gates at an airport a "ramp" when most of them have very little, if any slope to them?

...or (with a tip of the hat to George Carlin), why do we drive on a parkway, and park on a driveway?

There's a difference bewteen an oxymoron and a word of the media's "lexicon" list. I think an "Oxymoron" is that Billy Mays guy on late night TV....  Wink
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:09 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
Speaking of concrete and cement, it's surprising how often those words are misused. People say cement blocks, cement wall, cement apron etc. when they really mean concrete. Cement is just one component of concrete (and the smallest component, about 10 to 15% I believe), followed by water and sand/gravel.

You beat me by an hour. This is actually an excellent case in point relative to the OP's question.
 
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RE: Tarmac? Why Is It Stiil Called That

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Just as the cockpit is now the flight deck

In Germany, we still almost exclusively use the word "cockpit" when we refer to the flightdeck. Wink

Same as Steward / Stewardess  Wink (BTW, all words out of a nautical tradition, which got introduced into aviation by Juan Trippe's PanAm.

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