Flying-Tiger
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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:19 pm

Just trying to figure out how many new VIP contracts Airbus has landed now. Flight reports this:

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But sales have exceeded these modest expectations by a considerable margin, and Airbus claim to have beaten rival Boeing in calendar year corporate jetliner sales every year since 2004. The company sold 20 ACJ family aircraft in 2006, and has sold 29 this year so far (in addition to seven VIP widebodies).

Based on the last O&D update they had booked:
1 A340-300
2 A340-500
1 A340-600

That leaves three new VIP-widebodies to be booked next month, two of them to be A330-200s per Lufthansa:

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Lufthansa Technik (booth 1327) announced here today that it is to complete two VIP Airbus A330-200s for undisclosed customers.

In terms of ACJ orders, they had booked:
10 A318
4 A319
1 A320

Meanwhile on additional A319 has been ordered by JetAlliance, which means that so far 16 A32X "Elite" have been sold this year. That means that another four are likely to be booked this month, two of which appear to be for the German Air Force (ACJs):

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The company’s deal with the German government will see it acting as prime contractor for the renewal of the medium-range fleet operated by the defense ministry’s special mission wing. LHT will manage the procurement, oufitting and support of two Airbus A319 Corporate Jetliners and four Bombardier Global 5000s.

That means that Airbus has been able to book 3 widebodies for private use and 4 ACJs since the last update! Simply astonishing how this market is growing...

Links:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-100-corporate-jetliner-sales.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...sa-technik-lands-widebody-win.html
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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):

1 A340-300
2 A340-500
1 A340-600

Nice, I wonder why there are now 777-300 VIP jets ? Too expensive ?
In the latest Aero International is an advertisment of LH Technik for the VIP version of the 787. Guess that will be an attractive aircraft for many goverments that currently fly A310s, 757s and 767s.
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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:53 pm

Who an earth needs a private version of the the A346?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Who an earth needs a private version of the the A346?

Dunno, but personally, I would love to have one  Wink
Of course, a private 77W would be my preference, but still, a private A346 is no bad thing  Wink
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Dunno, but personally, I would love to have one
Of course, a private 77W would be my preference, but still, a private A346 is no bad thing

Very true, there's a massive gap between need and wants - I'd probably have a private A346 if I had the cash - ignore my idiotic point Big grin
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:12 pm

well the A346 have more prestigious look than the 777, this is in-term of VIP view. The four engined aircraft look somehow more powerful and classical like the Rolls Royce and the Mercedes-Benz. The RR is not economically and efficient but the MB is very much, same with the A346 which not as efficient as 777.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:27 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 5):
well the A346 have more prestigious look than the 777, this is in-term of VIP view. The four engined aircraft look somehow more powerful and classical like the Rolls Royce and the Mercedes-Benz. The RR is not economically and efficient but the MB is very much, same with the A346 which not as efficient as 777.

They could add two dummy engines on the 777 !
 
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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:27 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):

Based on the last O&D update they had booked:
1 A340-300
2 A340-500
1 A340-600

That leaves three new VIP-widebodies to be booked next month, two of them to be A330-200s per Lufthansa:

At least two more orders for the A330.  Smile

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):

Nice, I wonder why there are now 777-300 VIP jets ? Too expensive ?

I would say that acquisition price is the most likely factor. The A346 VIP will never have the flight time to compensate the fuel burn difference between the A346 and 77W.

I also don't know if their are some issues regarding ETOPS. Keeping the 77W or even any other twin with ETOPS standards will make them less attractive.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):

Dunno, but personally, I would love to have one Wink
Of course, a private 77W would be my preference, but still, a private A346 is no bad thing

I would prefer the A340-500.  Smile

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 5):
well the A346 have more prestigious look than the 777, this is in-term of VIP view. The four engined aircraft look somehow more powerful and classical like the Rolls Royce and the Mercedes-Benz.

I would say that this is one factor, but not the primary one, although I do agree with you that the passenger do feel more comfortable knowing that they have 4 engines vs 2.

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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:33 pm

Fits in here:

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The Swiss-headquartered VistaJet, a VVIP charter company operating from Austria and Germany, has ordered three Airbus Corporate Jetliners, to be the flagships of its 31-aircraft fleet.



http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ders-three-acjs-to-lead-fleet.html

Don´t know if this is in addition to above mentioned orders or not.
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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 5):
well the A346 have more prestigious look than the 777, this is in-term of VIP view. The four engined aircraft look somehow more powerful and classical like the Rolls Royce and the Mercedes-Benz. The RR is not economically and efficient but the MB is very much, same with the A346 which not as efficient as 777.

I know what you are saying there but I still disagree... Wink

I think cost, availability and the still possibility of "4 engines are safer" mentality.....
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Who an earth needs a private version of the the A346?

This reflects the global income distribution function, which is approaching, or exceeding, Ancien Régime levels of inequality. Let's hope that private A346 won't be shot down by angry subjects.
 
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Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:07 pm

Seven wide-bodies,

1 A343
2 A345
1 A346
2 A332

leaves one. I'm surprised nobody mentioned it: The BIG BOY!

I wonder which rich person ordered that. Personally I would prefer it, too. Imagine this: You fly around in your A388 VVVIP, and laugh about the folks that decide between the A345 and the A346.
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RE: Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
Seven wide-bodies,

1 A343
2 A345
1 A346
2 A332

leaves one. I'm surprised nobody mentioned it: The BIG BOY!

It could also be an A350 VIP.  Wink Basically its anyone's guess at the moment.

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RE: Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
It could also be an A350 VIP. Wink Basically its anyone's guess at the moment.

But the A380 VVIP order has already been announced.
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RE: Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
You fly around in your A388 VVVIP, and laugh about the folks that decide between the A345 and the A346.

or between Citation and Lear jet. In the US you often see RVs that are pulling a little car behind maybe they can do that with the A380, too. If I can land on this airport I fly there with my dinghy.
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RE: Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 14):
or between Citation and Lear jet. In the US you often see RVs that are pulling a little car behind maybe they can do that with the A380, too. If I can land on this airport I fly there with my dinghy.

Maybe the A380 can open Beluga-style and let a little helicopter out.
 Big grin
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RE: Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:31 am

Time to have the competition have a say:

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After celebrating its 10th year with record sales of 19 aircraft, Boeing Business Jets has logged 30 sales since last year’s NBAA Convention, said Steve Hill, BBJ president, at a press conference here in the Georgia World Congress Center on Monday. Total value of the orders increased from $2.25 billion last year to $2.9 billion this year. Included in this total are 16 BBJs, two BBJ2s, three BBJ3s, two 747-8 VIPs and seven 787 VIPs. Not included in the total are two more 787s that customers bought from leasing companies to be converted to VIP configurations. A total of 151 BBJ and VIP aircraft have been sold to date.



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BBJC Is in the Works
At last year’s NBAA Convention, Boeing announced it was considering another model dubbed the BBJC, with the C standing for “convertible.” Chuck Colburn, BBJ director of marketing, said, “We expect the go-ahead for the BBJC by the end of the year, but we have permission to discuss the concept.”

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single...ntion/?no_cache=1&cHash=8dc16a5886

Interesting to see that two 787s have been taken via leasing companies. Lease or outright purchase?
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RE: Plenty Of New VIP Orders At Airbus

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:39 am

If you are prepared to shell out for a VIP A345 or A346, I doubt that differences in fuel burn or reliability compared to 777 is much of a factor!
They are hardly going to have the sort of hrs and cycles of a regular airliner either.

I remember back in the late 80's, the Saudis came on a major visit, including shopping, to the UK.
The aircraft involved were parked at the BA base, IIRC they were, (count 'em!), 2 x 747-300, 1 x 747SP, 1 x 707, 2 x Gulfstream biz jets.
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