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Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:22 pm

Skybus Announced and started selling tickets from Portsmouth to St. Augustine/Jacksonville/ Daytona Beach (SGJ) and Punta Gorda/ Ft Myers/ Sarasota (PGD) today.

flights will start on December 17, 2007.

Plenty of $10 available.

more info at http://www.skybus.com

[Edited 2007-09-25 12:50:30]
 
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Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:54 pm

Darn, I predicted and worked schedules out for PSM to SGJ and FLL! Pretty close... (This certainly takes care of that 7th a/c's "dead time" at SGJ, just as figured by several here on A.net.)

I must say I'm glad to see at least one other city besides CMH receiving some much-needed winter service!

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Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:14 pm

I'm expecting only 3 or 4 more Routes out of CMH, and with these new flights...could PSM be the next focus city?

I Also hope they start up more flights on the west coast, I think they could do quite well there.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:11 pm

While I wish Skybus the best...I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two. Hope their projections work out...
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 3):
..I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two.

Huh? They're not advertising it as Tampa or Sarasota on the website. And PGD is just 30 miles from downtown Fort Myers. It's 60 miles to Sarasota. You seem to indicate that it might work better as TPA, when it is in fact significantly further from Tampa or St. Petersburg than from Fort Myers or Sarasota. I think you might want to reexamine your Florida map.  Smile
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 4):
alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two.

Like I said...
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 5):

You said "I really can't see PGD as a viable alternative to TPA, Sarasota, or Ft Myers...especially the latter two."

That sentence asserts that while PGD is not a good alternative to TPA, SRQ, or RSW, it is slightly better for TPA. You assert that "especially the latter two" are not as viable. How is that, when PGD is closest to RSW? How could it be more viable for TPA than for RSW?

Then to simply rebut your assertion about viability. PGD is a pretty good choice for an RSW alternative. It's 30 miles to the north of Fort Myers, 25 miles from Cape Coral, and closer to Venice than RSW.

[Edited 2007-09-25 15:41:04]
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 4):
Huh? They're not advertising it as Tampa or Sarasota on the website



Quoting TPAnx (Reply 5):
Like I said...

I think you're both right, it can be an alternative for some people, but it is not marketed as such.

I flew out of CMH yesterday (on US) and stopped by the SX gate area before my flight. they were boarding the flight to St. Augustine and the sign at the gate siad exactly that.
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:49 pm

Of course PGD is a good alternative to RSW - if it is properly promoted and marketed together with value (but not necessarily cheap) fares.

Will LAL at some point be an SX destination? It is of course located in-between Tampa and Orlando, at about 60mi from Orlando and 32mi from Tampa.

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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 6):
That sentence asserts that while PGD is not a good alternative to TPA, SRQ, or RSW, it is slightly better for TPA.

You're right..my mind is in "vacation " mode. T'would take a lot to get TPA pax to drive that far south..to an airport most remember, if they've seen it at all...as a resting place for FEMA trailers.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Will LAL at some point be an SX destination?

Polk county is growing..and IIRC, some posters have made mention of Lakeland having had airline service in the past.
I-4 is getting better..(Monday's many hours closure of the eastbound lanes because of a gasoline tanker accident
notwithstanding) so I'd guess TPA and Orlando would continue to be the airports of choice for most in the area.
How about PIE for SX??

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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 9):
How about PIE for SX??

I tend to agree with you here. It's more conventional LCC thinking to look at PIE and SFB for TPA and MCO respectively. But this is SX, which is why I think LAL is more likely. Why have the cost of two stations when you can run one? And LAL is the same distance from Disney as SFB -- though traffic is less predictable.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 10):
Why have the cost of two stations when you can run one?

Indeed. Assuming, of course, that LAL either has sufficient infrastucture or would be willing to invest in it.

More flights = more volume = more negotiating ability = better deal = lower costs = able to offer lower fares = more people book and fly (so generate even more ancillary revenue) = even more volume = even more negociating ability... and on.
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
LAL either has sufficient infrastucture or would be willing to invest in it.

I'm not sure precisely what they have down there. I'm going over to Tampa in October, so I might try to drive by and see precisely. I want to say that the terminal is small and old. But as we have seen with SGJ, these medium sized Florida towns that want air service will put up the money for a makeshift terminal. And if SX flourishes, I expect we'll see these airports build a more permanent terminal.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Skybus Announced and started selling tickets from Portsmouth to St. Augustine/Jacksonville/ Daytona Beach (SGJ) and Punta Gorda/ Ft Myers/ Sarasota (PGD) today.

flights will start on December 17, 2007.

Florida routes from New England in the winter & early spring are a no-brainer, but they are VERY tough to fill at sustainable fares during most of January and the first half of February (not to mention the summer).
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:34 am

Could PSM be their expected focus city instead of GSO with this announcement or is more to come? (and if so, when?!)
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:50 am

I still think Stockton could work. There are literally millions of people with in a 70 mile radius.
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:58 am

I'm shocked that FLL isn't getting PSM flights. Then again, FLL isn't going to bend over backwards and bow down to Skybus like PGD and SGJ do.
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 10):
I tend to agree with you here. It's more conventional LCC thinking to look at PIE and SFB for TPA and MCO

What about MLB as an alternative for MCO? I have taken US192 to Disney and it is only about an hour. you can also take I95 to International drive (about 50 minutes)

Is There even a terminal at SGJ? wil the airport build one? I have flown there a couple of times and all I saw was FBOs.

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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:08 pm

Do these airports have rental car choices? Even SRQ doesn't have a ton of cars available during holidays, so are we going to have a lot of people flying to airports with no way to leave the airport?  Wink
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
I'm shocked that FLL isn't getting PSM flights. Then again, FLL isn't going to bend over backwards and bow down to Skybus like PGD and SGJ do.

I bet the lack of Gate space, and the higher operating costs are somethings that are keeping Skybus from flying PSM and FLL. Plus there's a possibility that the aircraft being used between PSM and SGJ are heavily utilised that flying the extra distance (albeit like an extra 45 minutes a day)...would through off the entire scheduling for that particular aircraft.

I could see FLL getting additional Skybus Service in the future though...
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:05 pm

I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that Skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:54 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 17):
What about MLB as an alternative for MCO?

I know we've been through this before. Maybe. But I think SX is going to control costs by using LAL as both TPA and MCO. MLB would still require a TPA station at PIE. They might as well use SFB in that case. Though admittedly, I think Brevard County is underserved. But I don't think SX going in will help that a whole lot. I'd put my money on LAL. They want air service back in Polk County, and I'm sure they'll put up some sort of deal to ensure they get it.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:14 am

Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 20):
I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.

Well, a big problem is that Hertz currently is also closed on Sundays at that location.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:01 am

Looks like GSO"rumors" are picking up steam  Smile

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GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Skybus Airlines wants to add a base of operations beyond its Port Columbus home, and officials representing Greensboro's Piedmont Triad Airport made their best sales pitch yesterday.

Their efforts were backed by $300,000 in marketing money from government and development agencies that have gained a business-friendly reputation.

Although Skybus spokesman Bob Tenenbaum says there is no hard deadline, the Columbus-based startup airline is expected to decide within weeks which airport will become its next base or "focus city." That differs from a traditional hub because Skybus offers only point-to-point flights rather than connecting ones.



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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 20):
I know PGD has Hertz, but last I saw they had maybe 5-10 cars, so hopefully they plan on expanding. I must say that Skybus is definitely the talk of the week, so we'll see what happens.

With only one company, expect prices to be higher. So to use my favorite expression of the last 24 hours, flyers are robbing peter to pay paul. Cheaper airfares but more expensive rental cars?

As someone who flies into SRQ regularly, I noticed the last couple christmas seasons that rental rates were 2-3x the normal price (still available at TPA) due to lack of supply. And SRQ has most companies on airport.

I know people tell stories about how Ryanair puts you into smaller airports in the EU, and then once you factor in the bus/train fare to get where you thought you were going, it ends up costing about the same as another carrier. I wonder if this is also true for some of the Skybus airports.
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:47 am

I do find it intriguing amongst all these discussions about GSO becoming a focus city that PSM is the first site to get non-CMH based flights.

I think this is a rather significant event, as it is the first venture away from the CMH-hub that Skybus has run. Will SX need to run proving flights for each of these routes?

How many gates at PSM does SX have/control/use?

I wonder how long it will be until people do a CMH-PSM-PGD routing for price instead of direct CMH-PGD...or any other similar route.
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 17):
Is There even a terminal at SGJ? wil the airport build one? I have flown there a couple of times and all I saw was FBOs

There's a large tent which is being used as the terminal there. It has enough room for a ticket counter, security checkpoint & seating areas. "Baggage Claim" was under an awning outside the terminal. Other than the awful smell in the terminal (smelled like a fish market), it's nice FWIW. I flew out of there in August & it was full for the one flight they had leaving there. Not looking forward to how crowded it will be when they have two CMH flights within an hour of each other this winter.]
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:15 am

Although there are exceptions, I don't think it makes sense to have a focus city in a place that's on the fringe of the route map like PSM is. Something more central would be sensible, either in a north-south or an east-west axis. Since Columbus can nicely serve as a hub for east-west, GSO makes sense for north-south.

I'm from New Hampshire, so I'd love to see Pease/Boston do well. Just getting these new Florida routes helps the cause there.

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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:21 am

Very interesting that these rumors are starting to finally take shape. But this certainly differs wildly to the random claims on anet that GSO was one of the poorer performing routes! I guess the real CEO would know...would love to see some Caribbean and west coast service from GSO one day...at least they're getting an indication that people would fly with them!
 
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RE: Skybus Annouces PSM To SGJ And PGD

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:45 pm

Glad to see PGD getting two destinations from Skybus.

I would like to add that PGD is meant to seve the Ft. Myers market (hence the reason their route map says "Ft. Myers"). Skybus could care less if PGD is far from Tampa considering Tampa wasn't even the market they had in mind when they chose PGD.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
I'm shocked that FLL isn't getting PSM flights. Then again, FLL isn't going to bend over backwards and bow down to Skybus like PGD and SGJ do.

PGD isn't "bending over backwards" for Skybus. They are taking the steps necessary to become a commercial airport. It was Skybus who first came to PGD with the offer. It's not like PGD was going through great lengths to attract Skybus. FLL didn't get service because Skybus chose not to offer to it. Maybe in the future they will get service. Just because PGD gets service doesn't necesarilly mean FLL is automatically entitled to it. The Boston area is served much better from South Florida than from Southwest Florida. Maybe Skybus thought FLL had too much competition to the Boston area.