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Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:28 am

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Emergency landing and fire at Trudeau Airport YUL
2007-09-24 08:14:43
WWW.940MONTREAL.COM

An Air Canada jet leaving for Calgary declared a mechanical emergency and made a forced landing a Trudeau Airport last night. The landing gear of the Airbus A320 caught fire but Airport firefighters were quick to extinguish the flames. 121 passengers, 5 crew members were safely evacuated, and no one was injured. An investigation is underway.



Anyone have any more info on this?
 
SeeTheWorld
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:46 am

Change the headline ... it's overly sensational.
 
Curiousflyer
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:55 am

Yes please, nothing happpened, change the headline!
 
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:10 am

why? there was a fire, and an emergency landing....what else can it be?
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:57 am

"Emergency Landing at YUL"
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AlexPorter
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 3):
why? there was a fire, and an emergency landing....what else can it be?

Because in general people will think it was a cabin/flight deck/cargo fire first, not something external like the landing gear.
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:48 pm

Either the A320 has more landing gear problems (such as the front wheel deploying 90 degrees off) than other heavies or such problems they make the news more frequently. Does anyone have any statstics that compare the rate of landing gear issues by equipment type?
 
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:27 pm

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 7):
Either the A320 has more landing gear problems (such as the front wheel deploying 90 degrees off) than other heavies or such problems they make the news more frequently. Does anyone have any statstics that compare the rate of landing gear issues by equipment type?

It's physically impossible for a Boeing nosegear to fail that way, so that automatically eliminates a big chunk of the fleet. The tradeoff is that Boeing nosegear can't swivel as far.

Tom.
 
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 7):
Either the A320 has more landing gear problems (such as the front wheel deploying 90 degrees off) than other heavies

The A320 is not a heavy
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 7):
Either the A320 has more landing gear problems

You're making an assumption that this was a landing gear problem, that hasn't been established yet!

A landing gear fire like this (if it was a fire!) could well be caused by landing back overweight and at high speed and the brakes then overheating. All that the press release says is that it returned with a mechanical failure - could have been an engine, or several other things!

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 7):
(such as the front wheel deploying 90 degrees off)

This was a well publicised (& televised) event. I can recall an event some years ago, where a 737 landed in the US with the starboard main gear retracted (also televised) Landing gear related incidents are extremely rare on all certified transport a/c, and are usually caused by external events, such as overweight landings, rather than mechanical issues.

I flew A319/320s for 4 years, and had a couple of BSCU problems (Brakes & Steering Control Unit). The gear and steering on the A320 are more electronically controlled than in the 737. Apart from that, I had no problems with the ldg gear/brakes or steering nor my confidence in them!

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 1):
it's overly sensational.

I agree, especially if the 'fire' was as I suspect above!

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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 9):
This was a well publicised (& televised) event. I can recall an event some years ago, where a 737 landed in the US with the starboard main gear retracted (also televised) Landing gear related incidents are extremely rare on all certified transport a/c, and are usually caused by external events, such as overweight landings, rather than mechanical issues.

This was a US Airways 737 that landed in GSO because a wheel chuck was stuck in the landing gear. The plane made a safe albeit bumpy landing without injury to passengers. Made for great TV footage though and clearly demonstrated the outstanding training that pilots and co-pilots receive in handling emergency situations.
 
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 7):
Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 7):
Either the A320 has more landing gear problems (such as the front wheel deploying 90 degrees off) than other heavies or such problems they make the news more frequently. Does anyone have any statstics that compare the rate of landing gear issues by equipment type?

It's physically impossible for a Boeing nosegear to fail that way, so that automatically eliminates a big chunk of the fleet. The tradeoff is that Boeing nosegear can't swivel as far.

Tom.

Really? If you say so...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0588609/L/

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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
The A320 is not a heavy

Really, try lifting one.  Smile
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 5):
Because in general people will think it was a cabin/flight deck/cargo fire first, not something external like the landing gear.

Just because you jumped to conclusions doesn't make it untrue.
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 5):
Because in general people will think it was a cabin/flight deck/cargo fire first, not something external like the landing gear.

What "general public"? Not this general public.

I think some of you guys worry too much about nothing. Let the guy call his post whatever he likes.

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Jerald01
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:46 am

Hey, the original post called it as it was reported... and emergency landing and a fire that was extinguished. What's wrong with the title of the thread saying what was originally reported?

Also, a lot of folks on this net have quite a "ho-hum" attitude about "emergency" calls such as this... mostly folks who have been around the tarmac a couple of times and have pretty much "seen it all". Not all of us have had the same experiences and so what may seem like an everyday thing to some really is perceived as an "emergency" to others. Let each have their own opinion...
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beechnut
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:49 am

It was apparently a hydraulic problem.

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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:32 am

Two incidents for AC in YUL and YYZ within a couple of days!
Not a good week for them!
 
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting ATHYEG333 (Reply 17):
Two incidents for AC in YUL and YYZ within a couple of days!
Not a good week for them!

It happens, but nobody got hurt, nobody ran to the media with horror stories so people couldn't have been that scared, and both birds will fly after some maintenance. No big deal really.
 
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 16):
It was apparently a hydraulic problem.

If that's correct, then it was likely to be a flaps-up landing. And as a consequense overheated wheel brakes and burning rubber.

Pure speculation of course, but not unlikely.
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ATHYEG333
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 18):
It happens, but nobody got hurt, nobody ran to the media with horror stories so people couldn't have been that scared, and both birds will fly after some maintenance. No big deal really.

I agree, I know that such incidents always occur!
 
tdscanuck
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RE: Emergency Landing And Fire At Trudeau Airport YUL

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting A5XX (Reply 11):
It's physically impossible for a Boeing nosegear to fail that way, so that automatically eliminates a big chunk of the fleet. The tradeoff is that Boeing nosegear can't swivel as far.

Tom.

Really? If you say so...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0...09/L/

The original post I was replying to was that the nosegear turned 90 degrees. You can see clearly that the nosegear in the picture you posted is not turned 90 degrees. The nosegear linkage on a Boeing can't turn 90 degrees without physically breaking two separate hydraulic actuators.

Tom.