One of the wealthiest in the world. Home to many Corporations. Japan...2nd richest nation in the world. If it weren't profitable, why would people sell their souls for NRT
slots? It is the same thing for LHR
In 2005 Tokyo ranked #1 for Cities with the highest GDP.
Ranking of GDP in US$bn
1 Tokyo Japan US$1191
2 New York USA US$1133
3 Los Angeles USA US$639
4 Chicago USA US$460
5 Paris France US$460
6 London UK US$452
7 Osaka/Kobe Japan US$341
8 Mexico City Mexico US$315
9 Philadelphia USA US$312
10 Washington DC USA US$299
By 2020 it is estimated that Tokyo will still be #1 with an estimated GDP of US$1602 (US$bn). They don't just make that money in Japan.
If NAA opened HND
to long-haul international flights, it would be crowded by tomorrow.
Airlines are already lining up, wining and dining the NAA big wigs in hopes of gaining 1st time slots or additional slots when NAA opens the new runway in 2009. EK
are at the top of that list and probably want more than one slot and they are followed by US, AM
(additional slots) and probably a bunch of other carriers. Not to mention that NH
will also be trying to secure new slots for new long haul and domestic connecting service.
|Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25):|
If you're based in Japan, and you have a meeting in BKK, you have to spend two extra nights in BKK because you arrive in BKK at 2355 and depart at 0600. Obviously those flights are timed for tpac connections, but I can't imagine they're going to get any significant high yield local traffic.
Okay let's say I have a business meeting in BKK
and I am in Japan. I take the earliest flight (SQ). I arrive at BKK
at 14:00 local time; go through customs and get into the city by 15:00 if lucky. So when is my meeting? 16:00? NO. By that time people are already getting ready to leave work. Someone traveling from a far away place is not going to fly in do a rush meeting and fly out. It isn't the ASIAN WAY. You have to stick around for the dining, the discussions of personal nature and the showing off. I teach this stuff as part of my job. It is amazing how little western business people think they can just fly in do a meeting and fly out. If you want to be successful in business you are going to have make time to get to know the other person not only in a business way but personally. It is the ASIAN WAY.
There are only 12 non-stop flights from BKK
Seven flights leave between 22:00 and 2:00.
The rest are between 6:00 (NW is the earliest) and 11:00. There are no afternoon flights between BKK
as they would arrive when NRT
is closed. Only KIX
can handle 24hr ops in Japan.
Let's look closer at NRT
1 daily 19:05-23:59
1 daily 18:30-23:10
1 daily 9:25-14:00
1 daily 12:00-16:10
2 daily 10:50-15:25 18:10-22:50
3 daily 10:00-14:30 11:00-15:30 16:55-21:55
3 daily 10:30-15:05 16:15-20:50 19:40-12:15
Now let's look at BKK
1 daily 6:00-14:30
1 daily 6:50-15:00
1 daily 23:00-7:20
1 daily 00:15-8:00
2 daily 8:15-16:20 23:55-8:05
3 daily 7:35-15:45 22:10-6:20 23:10-7:30
3 daily 8:10-16:15 22:25-6:30 23:25-7:30
If I had a choice for doing business in BKK
, I would take the afteroon flight. I could work in the morning for a few hours. Make sure everything is set. Then I would take an afternoon/evening flight to BKK
. I would arrive late at night. I would have slept on the plane and then I sleep in a bed. I wake up around 7:30 or so and prepare for the day. I can have my meeting before or after lunch and leave time for dining, personal conversations, and other aspects required. Then I could take an evening flight back to Japan. I would arrive back in Japan the next morning having slept on the plane. I could take the morning off and then go check in at the office in the afternoon.
No matter what I would need 1 night min and 2 nights max for whatever I choose. But most likely even if I took SQ
's flight, the first night would be wining and dining, the next day meeting and then leave in the evening. Minimum of 1 night.
I bet that if NW
had the choice, they would fly A320s around Japan serving many markets with frequency or sere those farther markets with frequency. But sadly 5th freedom rights limit this as the flight has to originate on US soil.
So what will we see from NW
Combinations of overfly and through Japan (not just NRT
) using smaller aircraft combinded with frequency.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!