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LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:31 pm

LOT has announced an 'experimental' service begininng soon between JFK and Rzeszow. Does anyone know why of all Polish cities LOT chooses Rzeszow? Why not Gdansk or Wroclaw where there is probably more bussiness to be had and also more possible connections year round?
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:44 pm

You'll probably will find some answers in the previous topic about the same question:
RE: Direct Flights From New York To Rzeszow, Poland (by BlueSky1976 May 15 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why of all Polish cities LOT chooses Rzeszow? Why not Gdansk or Wroclaw where there is probably more bussiness to be had and also more possible connections year round?

Why? The answer is simple: demand. LO had very good loads on the route during summer and it is already confirmed to resume for the next year. Once the new terminal at RZE is built, it is likely NYC-RZE route will become a year-round service.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:06 pm

I'd ask why not YYZ-RZE too? I'd definitely fly it.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:28 am

What is LO's widebody situation right now? I know they have 787s coming, but it seems that they're stretched pretty thin for now.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:09 am

I hear LOT to take delivery of 787s begininng mid to late autumn 2008. Cant wait to see the 787s in the most beautiful color scheme out there...LOT! They have introduced not too long ago new bussiness class seats on soon to be gone 767s - why? Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)

Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities if RZE would be added as a regular also located in the south. That way, both SW and SE are covered evenly by LOT and probably pleasing more passengers?
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities

But KTW and KRK are essentially redundant, especially now that there's a highway between the two. OTOH, RZE is fairly isolated from the rest of the country, and the air connections between Belarus and Ukraine and the U.S. aren't exactly stellar.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Cant wait to see the 787s in the most beautiful color scheme out there...LOT!

Yes LOT livery will look great on 787's and the cabins will be a major upgrade in the product they offer. Cant wait to book onto the LO B787.
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)

I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
What is LO's widebody situation right now? I know they have 787s coming, but it seems that they're stretched pretty thin for now.

The latest plan is to take 8 787-8s between 2008 - 2010, retire 762s after the 2008 summer peak time and keep 763s until around 2012, when the larger 787-9s arrive. As of now, the -9s are not firm, but the delivery slots have been reserved by LO for 2011and 2012 I believe.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8):
I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.

Is CO going to fly the 787 with less than 9 abreast? One of the reasons i like the 767 is bc it feels big enough but not as many people get screwed when it comes to a seat.
It would be neat to see some more action into Poland from the outside world. Why hasnt Delta come to Poland ...and stayed? They fly to Romania and Greece to the Eastern side of Europe, so why not WAW.
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8):
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Are the interior configs similar or will the 787 be a wide plane like a 777? (Hopefully not 9 abreast)

I hate to tell you this, but they will be 9-abreast. So don't get too excited. That's one of the reasons I pray for CO to fly EWR-WAW with their 787s.

Perhaps I won't fly LOT at all then...

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):

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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):
Why hasnt Delta come to Poland ...and stayed? They fly to Romania and Greece to the Eastern side of Europe, so why not WAW.

Perhaps awaiting the new terminal at Okecie?

Actually, I think it has more to do with the location of the hubs. Compared to much of the rest of central and eastern Europe, NYC-Poland is well served by LO, and given that most of the North American Polish expat population is in Toronto, New York, and Chicago, ATL is a terrible place from which to run a WAW flight.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:42 am

Do all the flights go to JFK or are some to EWR?
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3):
I'd ask why not YYZ-RZE too? I'd definitely fly it.

YYZ-KRK has been tried first year when transatlantic service came to KRK and it didn't work out. Since KRK didn't work out, RZE probably wouldn't work either.

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 5):
Continuing on transatlantic LOT routes, was there ever any thought given to flying out of PKY (Katowice), a more industrialized and populous city closer to the likes of Wroclaw and southWestern cities if RZE would be added as a regular also located in the south.

Do you mean flying to KTW/Katowice to/from JFK/ORD ? The ethnic Polish population in the U.S. comes mostly from the eastern parts of the country, for instance from the countryside around Rzeszow. There are not so many people from Katowice region in the U.S.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
But KTW and KRK are essentially redundant, especially now that there's a highway between the two.

I don't think they are redundant. The two airports are rather close but not as close as CGN/DUS or MAN/LPL pairs. They also cover different catchment areas, KRK catchment area extending down to Zakopane and east to Rzeszow, KTW west to Opole but also getting passengers from Ostrava region in the Czech Republic.
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting Konrad (Reply 13):
RZE probably wouldn't work either.

I agree, even with cities like Lvov and Kosice. Its not enough to justify a 767-200 let alone a larger 787.
Konrad, how do you know people from Western Poland dont come to the US.
Maybe they could do alternating transatlantic flights with one aircraft between RZE and GDN.
If your going to get RZE, then might as well do GDN and have better connections to the Baltic nations. So far, LOT comes to my hometown of ORD twice daily for at least half the year. Lots of the increased traffic comes from other nations and other regions, not just Central and East.
 
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):
Is CO going to fly the 787 with less than 9 abreast?

Some people on this forum claim to have seen CO 787 seat maps with 8 abreast economy, so the answer would be yes.

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 9):
Why hasnt Delta come to Poland

Two words: Terminal 2.
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RE: LOT: Why JFK To Rzeszow?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:44 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Yes LOT livery will look great on 787's and the cabins will be a major upgrade in the product they offer. Cant wait to book onto the LO B787.

There's one on LOTs website to view.

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 14):
Maybe they could do alternating transatlantic flights with one aircraft between RZE and GDN.

Gdansk has much better flight options and connections than RZE which is why it was chosen.
From RZE you can fly 3x daily WAW, 1x Daily STN, + a few weeklies to Bristol/Dublin with Ryanair.

Rzeszow is the only "real" airport covering a densely populated area of Lvov, Kosice, Lublin for hundreds of kilometers...
LOT picked up on this...

All western Polish airports (inc Krakow) have good (and improving) rail and road links as well as competitive air links.

Rzeszow to that extent.. is an area of traditional Polish emigration...with poor links but large family connections....hence people fly from here.

Chicago, New York and Curitiba(Brazil) and London have the largest polish and ukrainian emigratant communities and most are from this region... thats a few million people !!! LOT's responding to that.. without a competitive threat.
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