RAFVC10
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Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:36 am

Hi all,

According an official announcement of Delta Airlines, the US airline will connect from June 2008. The timetables will be the next:

DL162 JFK-AGP 17:05 07:00+1 (Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday)
DL163 AGP-JFK 09:30 11:50 (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday)

The equipment will be Boeing 757-200ER.

Malaga will be the third Spanish city to be served by the US airline after Madrid and Barcelona.

Interesting news. Has anyone heard anything about the rumour of CO to start services to PMI and AGP?

What's your opinion? Will be a profitable route?

Regards,

Gerard
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:38 am

Will it be seasonal?

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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:50 am

There is a master thread with all of DLs announced expansion today. Probably be more appropriate to discuss there DL JFK Announcements Tomorrow (by Positiverate Sep 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:19 am

Way to go!

I'd say that VLC is the next Spanish city to get a NYC service.

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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
There is a master thread with all of DLs announced expansion today. Probably be more appropriate to discuss there

Sorry!

I didn't saw this post when I wrote mine.

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 3):
Way to go!

I'd say that VLC is the next Spanish city to get a NYC service.

My bet is for BIO or PMI...
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
The equipment will be Boeing 757-200ER

For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS.
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5):
For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS.

757-200ER is how Delta differentiates the 752s with ETOPS from their 752s without the ETOPS.
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting Skibum9

"For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS."


For the sake of this topic........Who the f**k cares?
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:07 pm

Again, will it be seasonal? also, will DL have businesselite on their transatlantic 752s?
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 8):
Again, will it be seasonal? also, will DL have businesselite on their transatlantic 752s?

No idea on the seasonality. Will probably depend on how well it performs during the summer. Malaga will have businesselite equipped 757s.
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
Has anyone heard anything about the rumour of CO to start services to PMI and AGP?

What's your opinion? Will be a profitable route?

Loads might be OK, yields I'm not quite sure, filling a 4xweekly 752 should be achievable, specially without competition. The issue will be the loads upfront since AGP is a leisure route. I'd assume that americans coming to AGP area for vacation are the wealthy ones.

IMO, it'd be the wrong decision from CO to start serve AGP after DL gets established there, they should look elsewhere or at least wait to see how DL's performs at the beginning.

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 3):
I'd say that VLC is the next Spanish city to get a NYC service.

The opening of new stations in Spain for US's nonstops will be heavily determined on how DL's perform on this one. If they succeed on AGP my guesses are PMI or VLC to be the next ones.
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:25 pm

Internally, we call the ETOPS 757s "757ER" aircraft. They have an HDG installed as far as flight deck operations, and will all be converted to an international biz class interior in time. There are additional differences in regards to emergency exit doors...

The newest plane awaiting conversion is sitting in AA colors still at the TOC.
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:37 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 10):
Loads might be OK, yields I'm not quite sure, filling a 4xweekly 752 should be achievable, specially without competition. The issue will be the loads upfront since AGP is a leisure route. I'd assume that americans coming to AGP area for vacation are the wealthy ones.

I believe AGP has some kind of subsidy (or financial support) going with the JFK route (much like when DL started JFK-PSA).
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:15 pm

Malaga? Oh dear, what's next? Blackpool.  Wink
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 4):
My bet is for BIO or PMI...



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 10):
The opening of new stations in Spain for US's nonstops will be heavily determined on how DL's perform on this one. If they succeed on AGP my guesses are PMI or VLC to be the next ones.

SVQ would be the next. SVQ and AGP are the most interesting airports for US airlines by far.

Then PMI, ALC, VLC, LPA, BIO, ...
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:42 am

In 1987 i flew an IB 747 from AGP to JFK...

Those were the days
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:48 am

 checkmark  Yet ANOTHER city to check off. At this rate, in a few years we're not going to be able to expand anymore!
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:11 am

Having been a regular visitor of the Costa del Sol for the last 25 years (our family owns an appartment down there, so it is pretty easy and cheap to fly there for a couple of days every once in a while), I am not so sure if this gamble will pay off. While the region has enjoyed a tremendous population growth during the last 15 or 20 years and despite the economic expansion in the region, there is hardly any large business base in the Malaga area with strong ties to North America. Most of the businesses in the area are still small- and mid-scale enterprises. Granted, there are quite a few very exclusive and expensive properties especially in the west of Malaga towards Gibralter, but only a very small minority of these is owned by North Americans.

Thus, while I am sure that the aircraft will be packed in "Peasant Class" both by Spanish and American passengers, I am not so sure about the front part of the cabin. On the other hand, DL has been operating continuously to NCE - which is another market in a leisure-dominated region with some premium demand - for quite some years, and that route seems to be working handsomely.

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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 16):
Yet ANOTHER city to check off. At this rate, in a few years we're not going to be able to expand anymore!

You can always connect the dots  Wink . JFK-MUC, ATL-BOM, there's still a lot of potential routes even if the city isn't new.
 
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:28 am

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
On the other hand, DL has been operating continuously to NCE - which is another market in a leisure-dominated region with some premium demand - for quite some years, and that route seems to be working handsomely.

NCE has much more high-yield customers than Malaga. There is actually quite some High-Tech industry in the Alpes Maritimes,drawing US cliéntéle. I agree that Malaga is a risky choice for Delta - so far the US tourists have rather chosen the Caribes for sun ,beach and palm holidays.
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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5):
For the 1000 time on a.net, there is no such thing as a 757-200ER, it is a 757-200 ETOPS.

Yes there is. Delta AND British Airways refer to some of their 757-200s as "ERs" - I suppose all of the experts there in fleet planning don't know what they're talking about eh?

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RE: Delta To Malaga In 2008!

Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:30 am

A thread was started on 9/27 which announced DL's new routes. The Malaga route was mentioned in the thread-starter.

We've had a couple of threads removed as duplicates because they were announcing DL routes that were already covered in that 9/27 thread.

Rather than deleting this thread, I'm going to lock it so that the posts will remain for reference. But please move the conversation back over to the original thread, which is:
Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times (by B777ER Sep 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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