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Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:40 am

Here is a summary of DL's new Intl. routes to Europe, Middle East and Africaand beginning dates for 2008.

1)ATL-PVD(Shanghai):
Starts March 30, 2008: DL 19 ATL 10:15am PVG 1:55pm+
Starts March 31, 2008: DL 18 PVG 3:55pm ATL 6:35pm

EQP: 777-200ER (the aircraft that are being pulled off the JFK-BOM route. JFK-BOM will be operated with the new 777-200LR's entering in the fleet)


2)ATL-ARN(Stockholm):
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 172 ATL 8.20 p.m. ARN 11.35(next day), daily except Mondays
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 173 ART 1:35p.m. ATL 5:30p.m., daily except Tuesdays

EQP: 763ER


3)JFK-TLV(Tel Aviv, Israel):
Starts March 10, 2008: DL 86 JFK 9:10p.m. TLV 1:55p.m. (next day)
Starts March 12, 2008: DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m.

EQP: 763ER

Notes: Interesting to note the aircraft will be parked at TLV for 10hr 25min before the return to JFK.

4)JFK-EDI (Edinburgh, Scotland):
Starts May 1, 2008: DL 96 JFK 8:05p.m. EDI 8:10a.m (next day)
Starts May 2, 2008: DL 97 EDI 9:40a.m. JFK 12:15p.m.

EQP: 752ER

5)JFK-DKR(Dakar, Senegal):
Starts June 2, 2008: DL 128 JFK 3:50p.m. DKR 4:05a.m. (next day)
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 219 DKR 2:05a.m. JFK 6:15a.m.

EQP: 763ER

6)JFK-NBO (Nairobi, Kenya)
Starts June 2, 2008: DL 128 JFK 3:50p.m. (via DKR) NBO 4:50p.m. (next day)
Starts June 3, 2008: DL 219 NBO 7:30p.m. (via DKR) JFK 6:15a.m. (next day)

EQP: 763ER

Notes: The inbound to NBO from JFK arrives in DKR at 4:05a.m. and departs DKR at 5:40a.m. for NBO.
The outbound from NBO to JFK arrives in DKR at 12:35a.m. and departs DKR at 2:05a.m.
The outbound from NBO to DKR will operate at DL 229 and switch to DL 219 for DKR-JFK.
Total ground time at NBO is 7hr 45min.
The ATL-DKR flight arrives into DKR at 4:39a.m. departing for JNB at 5:54a.m. so there will be two DL 763's on the ground at DKR at the same time.

7)JFK-CAI (Cairo, Egypt)
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 10 JFK 4:20p.m. CAI 10:35a.m.(next day)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 9 CAI 12:30p.m. JFK 5:40p.m.

EQP: 763ER

8)JFK-AGP (Malaga, Spain)
Starts June 4, 2008: DL162 JFK 5:05p.m. AGP 07:00(next day) (Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL163 AGP 9:30a.m. JFK 11:50a.m. (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday)

EQP: 752ER

9)JFK-AMM (Amman, Jordan)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 26 JFK 4:20p.m. AMM 10:00a.m. (next day)
Starts June 6, 2008: DL 23 12:00p.m. JFK 6:35p.m.

EQP: 763ER

10)JFK-LOS (Lagos, Nigeria)
Starts June 9, 2008: DL 142 JFK 6:40p.m. LOS 11:05a.m. (next day)
Starts June 10, 2008: DL 143 LOS 12:50p.m JFK 6:35p.m.

EQP: 763ER

11)JFK-CPT (via DKR) Starts June 2, 2008 subject to DOT approval.

[Edited 2007-09-26 21:45:26]

[Edited 2007-09-26 21:46:06]
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
EQP: 752ER

I have never heard of this before. Do you mean a 757-200 with winglets
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:37 am

Yes, they are 757 ETOPs approved. They have a range of 400nm more than the rest of the fleet.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Meta (Reply 1):
I have never heard of this before

Dont be pedantic- you know what is meant.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Meta (Reply 1):
Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
EQP: 752ER

I have never heard of this before. Do you mean a 757-200 with winglets

There was no official 757ER as in the conventional sense of having extra fuel capacity. Some people inaccurately refer to ETOPS 757's as ER's.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 2):
Yes, they are 757 ETOPs approved. They have a range of 400nm more than the rest of the fleet.

A blanket statement like that is inaccurate. Range will be tied to whatever MTOW the aircraft is certified for. At the same weight though an ETOPS 757 will probably have less range than non-ETOPS 757's due to the extra equipment the ETOPS plane is required to carry.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Starts March 12, 2008: DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m.

Assume departure time should read 12:20 a.m. not p.m.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Assume departure time should read 12:20 a.m. not p.m

Yes, my error..sorry.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
A blanket statement like that is inaccurate. Range will be tied to whatever MTOW the aircraft is certified for. At the same weight though an ETOPS 757 will probably have less range than non-ETOPS 757's due to the extra equipment the ETOPS plane is required to carry.

Got this from a DL mechanic...guess the guy who works on them must be wrong. You being a student pilot in Oklahoma must have more accurae information.

[Edited 2007-09-26 23:30:34]
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Notes: The inbound to NBO from JFK arrives in DKR at 4:05a.m. and departs DKR at 5:40a.m. for NBO.
The outbound from NBO to JFK arrives in DKR at 12:35a.m. and departs DKR at 2:05a.m.
The outbound from NBO to DKR will operate at DL 229 and switch to DL 219 for DKR-JFK.
Total ground time at NBO is 7hr 45min.

Why do you say that the ground time in NBO is 7h 45m?

It appears to be 2h 40m with a 1650 arrival and a 1930 departure, or am I not seeing something here?
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
11)JFK-CPT (via DKR) Starts June 2, 2008 subject to DOT approval.

so, i'm assuming that the JFK-DKR flight continues to NBO 4 days a week and CPT the other 3?
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
There was no official 757ER as in the conventional sense of having extra fuel capacity. Some people inaccurately refer to ETOPS 757's as ER's.

It's official within Delta. The aircraft are differentiated within the Delta system and in maintenance as "757-200ERs." So, it's far from inaccurate. Again, don't be pedantic. B777ER is right on the money, kid.

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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8):
so, i'm assuming that the JFK-DKR flight continues to NBO 4 days a week and CPT the other 3?

Or are they going to have three daily to DKR?
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8):
so, i'm assuming that the JFK-DKR flight continues to NBO 4 days a week and CPT the other 3?

Yes. JFK-DKR-NBO on Mon Wed Fri Sat; JFK-DKR-CPT on Tue Thu Sun.

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 7):
It appears to be 2h 40m with a 1650 arrival and a 1930 departure, or am I not seeing something here?

You're correct. NBO turn time is 2h 40min.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 7):
It appears to be 2h 40m with a 1650 arrival and a 1930 departure, or am I not seeing something here?

Yes, again, I aplogize. I had all this written down a paper and got the timing mixed up on this NBO route. Eveything is correct expect its like Gte439u said, a total of 2hr 40m ground time in NBO.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
The aircraft are differentiated within the Delta system and in maintenance as "757-200ERs

the 757 with winglets will have a longer range than the 757 without. That makes it an "ER".


Ps............just kidding folks. Don't take it so seriously.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 10):
Or are they going to have three daily to DKR?

No, there will be four Delta planes a day at Dakar. One is coming from Atlanta, the other JFK. One is coming from JNB (764) and the other is coming from NBO or CPT (763). I'm not sure if all four aircraft will be on the ground at the same time, but if they are, it'll make for a great shot!
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):

No, there will be four Delta planes a day at Dakar. One is coming from Atlanta, the other JFK. One is coming from JNB (764) and the other is coming from NBO or CPT (763). I'm not sure if all four aircraft will be on the ground at the same time, but if they are, it'll make for a great shot!

There can't be four on the ground at one time. Delta isn't basing planes in Dakar. The planes are routed ATL-DKR-JNB and JFK-DKR-CPT/NBO. There will be two on the ground at the same time before they continue on to/from JNB/CPT/NBO.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
There can't be four on the ground at one time. Delta isn't basing planes in Dakar. The planes are routed ATL-DKR-JNB and JFK-DKR-CPT/NBO. There will be two on the ground at the same time before they continue on to/from JNB/CPT/NBO.

Isn't also the case that DKR only has like 3 widebody parking spots to begin with? Their apron isn't exactly one of the bigger ones out there, so DL couldn't even have 4 planes on the ground at the same time even if they wanted to.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:33 am

Based on currently-published schedules, DKR should look something like this:

DL 229 from NBO arrives 12:35am; leaves for JFK at 2:05am (DL219)
DL 35 from JNB arrives 1:20am; leaves for ATL at 2:35am

2 hours later,

DL 128 from JFK arrives 4:05am; leaves for NBO or CPT at 5:40am
DL 34 from ATL arrives 4:40am; leaves for JNB at 5:55am
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
the 757 with winglets will have a longer range than the 757 without. That makes it an "ER".


Ps............just kidding folks. Don't take it so seriously.

Captain obvious, I'm not understanding what you're kidding about, because you're technically correct to an extent. But the ex-TW birds that Delta is retrofitting with winglets - the "ERs" - have a longer range outright, with or without winglets.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
There can't be four on the ground at one time. Delta isn't basing planes in Dakar. The planes are routed ATL-DKR-JNB and JFK-DKR-CPT/NBO. There will be two on the ground at the same time before they continue on to/from JNB/CPT/NBO.

Yes, but I was also keeping in mind the return flights. Delta will have 4 different flights going through Dakar each day. Apparently there will only be two planes on the ground at the same time twice a day as proven by Panamair.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:15 am

all i can say is wow, DL is starting to look more and more like a latter day Pan Am. all they really need to do is rebuild their Asia network, maybe once the 77Ls come on line they can add more asia service. I wish DL the best of luck in building and maintaining this very ambitious network.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:30 am

I've read Lisbon is supposed to be launched from Atlanta in March 08. Can anybody confirm?
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 13):
the 757 with winglets will have a longer range than the 757 without. That makes it an "ER".


Ps............just kidding folks. Don't take it so seriously.

no u are right ER mean extended range and adding winglets saves fuel meaning longer flights so it is a ER.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting Flydl2atl (Reply 21):



I've read Lisbon is supposed to be launched from Atlanta in March 08. Can anybody confirm?

Where'd ya read that? ATL-LIS would be stretching the 757.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 17):
Based on currently-published schedules, DKR should look something like this:

DL 229 from NBO arrives 12:35am; leaves for JFK at 2:05am (DL219)
DL 35 from JNB arrives 1:20am; leaves for ATL at 2:35am

2 hours later,

DL 128 from JFK arrives 4:05am; leaves for NBO or CPT at 5:40am
DL 34 from ATL arrives 4:40am; leaves for JNB at 5:55am

Will JFK passengers be able to continue on to JNB as well as NBO and CPT and vv for ATL passengers, or will they have to stay on board the aircraft? DKR could become a mini (really mini) DL hub! Also, does DL have 5th freedom rights on all of their routes out of DKR?
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 24):
Will JFK passengers be able to continue on to JNB as well as NBO and CPT and vv for ATL passengers, or will they have to stay on board the aircraft? DKR could become a mini (really mini) DL hub! Also, does DL have 5th freedom rights on all of their routes out of DKR?

That would be really hard to do if one of the flights gets delayed out of ATL or JFK. I don't think it would be worth it for a flight to wait in DKR for a delayed flight to get there so a few passengers could connect.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:57 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 25):
That would be really hard to do if one of the flights gets delayed out of ATL or JFK. I don't think it would be worth it for a flight to wait in DKR for a delayed flight to get there so a few passengers could connect.

Well, that's how it is going to work. It isn't anything new.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Starts June 6, 2008: DL 23 12:00p.m. JFK 6:35p.m.

Does DL really have 12:00pm as a time in their schedule? I thought that was not a "legal" time. You should either specify 11:59 or 12:01 (am or pm) or use noon/midnight. (NIST)

In the US, 12:00pm is midnight http://www.gpoaccess.gov/stylemanual/2000/chapter_txt-9.html :
"12 a.m. (formerly 12 m.) (noon)
12 p.m. (midnight)"
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting Analog (Reply 27):

In the US, 12:00pm is midnight http://www.gpoaccess.gov/stylemanual/2000/chapter_txt-9.html :
"12 a.m. (formerly 12 m.) (noon)
12 p.m. (midnight)"

Huh? I always thought that 12:00PM was 12:00 in the afternoon, as 12:01PM is. 12:00AM is 12:00 midnight.

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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting Analog (Reply 27):
In the US, 12:00pm is midnight http://www.gpoaccess.gov/stylemanual/2000/chapter_txt-9.html :
"12 a.m. (formerly 12 m.) (noon)
12 p.m. (midnight)"

I saw that quote in the document and must admit I'm perplexed. I've always known noon to be 12pm and midnight 12am. Even though noon is immediately proceeded by 11:59am, I think everyone agrees one minute past noon is 12:01pm. It seems silly and confusing to go from 12:00am to 12:01pm.

Of course, if the government says we should do it that way....
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
2)ATL-ARN(Stockholm):
Starts June 4, 2008: DL 172 ATL 8.20 p.m. ARN 11.35(next day), daily except Mondays
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 173 ART 1:35p.m. ATL 5:30p.m., daily except Tuesdays

Really hopes that this route will go well with DL. Hope they have made the right choose,
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:16 pm

More interesting are these two arrival times:

DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m 763
DL 219 DKR 2:05a.m. JFK 6:15a.m 763

Currently the only intl flights which arrive at similar times are:

DL 17 from BOM 650a.m 777
DL 120 from GRU 635a.m. 763

DL 17 obviously continues to ATL. However DL120 seems to stay idle until the first departure which is Athens around 420PM.

Delta are obviously not going to leave 3 767s not doing anything during the day so where are they going to be sent?
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting Analog (Reply 27):
Does DL really have 12:00pm as a time in their schedule?

Yes, that is the correct time. 12:00p.m. as in twelve-noon..start of the lunch hour.

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 31):
DL 87 TLV 12:20p.m. JFK 7:00a.m 763

And again, I would like to correct my error by saying the TLV departure time is 12:20a.m. As a side note, this should be a very easy flight for the F/A's....everyone will likely sleep on this flight as opposed to say the one above from AMM back to JFK!

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 31):
Delta are obviously not going to leave 3 767s not doing anything during the day so where are they going to be sent?

Likely back to ATL later in the morning under a different flight number to rotate them back to their main mx base in ATL. This dovetails nicely with DL announcing that they will start using larger aircraft into JFK (that was part of their announcement at JFK this week).
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:23 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 28):

Huh? I always thought that 12:00PM was 12:00 in the afternoon, as 12:01PM is. 12:00AM is 12:00 midnight.

This is why 12:00 of either kind should never be in a schedule (unless it's using the 24 hour clock, but even then 12:00 is best avoided.)

Quoting B777ER (Reply 32):

Yes, that is the correct time. 12:00p.m. as in twelve-noon..start of the lunch hour.

But if you're employed at, or follow the guidance of, the US GPO you will show up at midnight. There is no reason not to make the scheduled time 12:01pm (or 11:59am). These are not Japanese train schedules.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 31):
Delta are obviously not going to leave 3 767s not doing anything during the day so where are they going to be sent?

Not necessarily...with fuel costs the way they are, sometimes it may be better to have the planes sit than use them on routes that can't really make a profit on...using them on transcons is not exactly a realistic option since they won't get back in time to JFK for the evening departures.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
no u are right ER mean extended range and adding winglets saves fuel meaning longer flights so it is a ER.

it does add range, no doubt. But I think the point a lot of other people have been trying to make is that there were no 757s built with a larger fuel capacity like you had with the 767ER.

My only point is who cares what Delta wants to call it? I remember when folks on this board kept getting upset when I would mention the Delta 73G, as they called the 737-300 with a glass cockpit.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:03 pm

Sorry for my ignorance, but why is TLV-JFK a redeye and CAI-JFK and AMM-JFK are not?

With TLV, CAI and AMM being so close to each other I'm surprised not to se the same scheduling (all three redeyes or all three daylights)

BTW, it's interesting to see DL serving AMM and AA don't considering RJ recently joining OW. Well, at least RJ serves JFK.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 31):
Delta are obviously not going to leave 3 767s not doing anything during the day so where are they going to be sent?



Quoting B777ER (Reply 32):
Likely back to ATL later in the morning under a different flight number to rotate them back to their main mx base in ATL. This dovetails nicely with DL announcing that they will start using larger aircraft into JFK (that was part of their announcement at JFK this week).



Quoting Panamair (Reply 34):
Not necessarily...with fuel costs the way they are, sometimes it may be better to have the planes sit than use them on routes that can't really make a profit on...using them on transcons is not exactly a realistic option since they won't get back in time to JFK for the evening departures.

There is of course the possibility to use at least one of those frames for a daylight Heathrow rotation. We have yet to hear DL's plans for LHR, but an arrival slot should be a little easier to obtain for such a daylight eastbound flight.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:30 pm

What are the loads on flights to JNB. How good are the yields?
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:49 pm

Amman? That's a very nice surprise  Smile

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
9)JFK-AMM (Amman, Jordan)
Starts June 5, 2008: DL 26 JFK 4:20p.m. AMM 10:00a.m. (next day)
Starts June 6, 2008: DL 23 12:00p.m. JFK 6:35p.m.

EQP: 763ER

Any idea about frequencies?

Wonder what impact this will have on RJ and One World!
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting RJAF (Reply 39):
Any idea about frequencies?

Should be daily because nothing else is stated.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:21 pm

Hmmm, since you kiddies can't play nice-- it seems that the master of technical assholery is going to have to get involved. So let's see:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 6):
Got this from a DL mechanic...guess the guy who works on them must be wrong.

Actually, FutureCaptain is correct in the purest (i.e., Boeing) sense.
DL and her employees can choose whatever internal nomenclature they fancy, a la SQ, but that does not change the technical nature of their aircraft.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 18):
because you're technically correct to an extent.

His first sentence yes, his 2nd, no.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
no u are right ER mean extended range and adding winglets saves fuel meaning longer flights so it is a ER.

Incorrect. Boeing defines an "ER" aircraft as one built with (A) the litany of structural/airfoil/empennage fortifications necessary to support additional weight (relative to a baseline configuration) as a standard maneuver, and (B) additional fuel capacity as a factory option.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 35):
there were no 757s built with a larger fuel capacity

Also incorrect. There are two factory fuel capacities for 752s, though the difference is ridiculously minuscule.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting RJAF (Reply 39):
Any idea about frequencies?

JFK-AMM is 4x weekly; departs JFK Mon Wed Thu Sat; AMM-JFK returns Tue Thu Fri Sun.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 36):
BTW, it's interesting to see DL serving AMM and AA don't considering RJ recently joining OW. Well, at least RJ serves JFK.

No different than DL serving BUD which is a hub for a OW carrier, MA. I believe that RJ also serves DTW and ORD from AMM.
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 42):
JFK-AMM is 4x weekly; departs JFK Mon Wed Thu Sat; AMM-JFK returns Tue Thu Fri Sun.

Oopsss, sorry for my post then. Thought it was a daily service.
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Notes: Interesting to note the aircraft will be parked at TLV for 10hr 25min before the return to JFK.

I wonder if they might use it as standby for other flights in the part of the world during the time it''s on the ground.

Or could it be that it will undergo extended line maintenance whilst there? Who will handle the flight in TLV?
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:07 pm

How many international 764s does Delta have currently? When will the remaining be converted to international configuration? It sure would be nice to have 21 764s flying around with PTVs...
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 25):
Will JFK passengers be able to continue on to JNB as well as NBO and CPT and vv for ATL passengers, or will they have to stay on board the aircraft? DKR could become a mini (really mini) DL hub! Also, does DL have 5th freedom rights on all of their routes out of DKR?



Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
Well, that's how it is going to work. It isn't anything new.

Could you elaborate please MAH? Is this "hub" operation in DKR already official? I think it would be a great possibility... 3 African destinations from both JFK and ATL instead of 2 each and offer pax from NBO and CPT the choice between ATL and JFK. Albeit with some minor drawabacks like a slight headache for the person in charge in the case of a late flight.
In substance, the definition of the hub, minus a few constraints because the schedules already fit.

And what about LYS? Wasn't it rumored? It was almost official downhere according to the media (ok they do say a bit what they want...)


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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:52 pm

seems to me that you missed:

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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:08 am

I'm surprised nothing has been announced ex BOS. I thought a BOS-SNN/DUB was due to start next summer
 
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RE: Summary Of DL's New 2008 Intl Routes W/ Times

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 38):
What are the loads on flights to JNB. How good are the yields?

Apparently good. They are also changing from 767-300ER to 767-400ER equipment for the southern hemisphere summer, which also indicates that yields are good. I also seem to remember reading somewhere that the route is already profitable for SA)">DL. SAA couldnt make the CPT - ATL route work, but I am sure SA)">DL will.

Personally, I would fly SAA on the US - SA routes. The Y seating is much better (33in pitch on SAA) and they have AVOD at every seat. SA)">DL is considerably more cramped, with Mainscreen IFE. There is also no stop eastbound on SAA. Considering that the route is profitable for SA)">DL, and that they are growing numbers, I wouldnt be surprised to see them put the 772 on the route soon....
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