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pilot21
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BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:06 pm

BA Statement below, says it all really!


GREEN LIGHT FOR AIRCRAFT ORDERS


British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s. Both
aircraft types will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines.

The new aircraft will replace 34 of the airline's longhaul fleet and will be
delivered between 2010 and 2014. The order, including options, will give the
airline the ability to grow its capacity by up to four per cent per year and the
flexibility to tailor its future capacity growth in line with market conditions.

The aircraft will be greener, quieter and more fuel efficient with significantly
lower carbon dioxide emissions and reduced impact on local air quality. This
was a key consideration in the order.

Willie Walsh, British Airways' chief executive, said: "This is an exciting day
for British Airways with our largest fleet order since 1998. It's great news for
our business, our customers and the environment.

"These aircraft set the gold standard when it comes to environmental performance
in the key areas of CO2 emissions, local air quality and noise. They will
contribute significantly to our target of improving fuel efficiency by 25 per
cent between 2005 and 2025.

"They are also much quieter than their predecessors, which is of vital
importance at Heathrow. Both the A380 and B787 are rated as producing a quarter
of the noise level of the B747-400.

"These new aircraft will continue our commitment to deliver the best travel
experience to our customers. This order builds upon our recent investment in
improving the customer experience through Terminal 5, the new Club World cabin,
inflight entertainment system and ba.com."

The new aircraft types will enable the airline to strengthen further its network
strategy, complementing each other in the longhaul fleet. The A380 will be used
to provide more capacity for the airline's key high-density markets and maximise
use of scarce Heathrow slots. The B787 will be used to start new routes and increase frequencies in
existing markets.

Both aircraft bring significant economic benefits with lower costs per seat.
They are both long range aircraft and bring more flexibility in to the fleet as,
unlike the B767 that they replace, they can be flown across the airline's
network.

British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.

The airline has arranged for a group of banks to provide $1.5 billion of debt
financing to cover all of the airline's firm orders to the end of 2011.



Ends

September 27, 2007

[Edited 2007-09-27 08:12:22]
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:08 pm

Finally, and very much as expected!!!

BA also says that the 787 order is for both 787-8 and -9

[Edited 2007-09-27 08:09:55]
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:11 pm

Congratulations to Airbus & Boeing! A job well done. It will be interesting to see what they decide on for the remaining a/c. I'm going to go with either the 787-10 or the 773.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:13 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s.

I think that after the above announcement, the answer to the following is obviously the 350. If for no other reason than to maintain EURO political relationships.

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:14 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s.

Way to go BA!
Excellent choices on both counts IMO  thumbsup 

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
Both aircraft types will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines.

Way to go PM!
(Sorry BA - it just came out wrong)  biggrin 

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB

Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?
Also Kudos to the 773ER for being the only "current generation" aircraft to make the shortlist.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:20 pm

Mmm hopefully we'll see BA's A380 in SYD!!!  Smile

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

Guess not.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 1):
Finally, and very much as expected!!!

It's been telegraphed for months now.

Walsh even said as much re: the A380. And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

The future will still likely hold both the A350-1000/77W and 748i for BA, but not at this time. But it also won't be 9 more years, more likely 18 months.

(BTW - the statement about noise is absolute bull. The A380 does not produce 1/4 the noise of a 744, nor does the 787. I was right under an A380 when it landed at LAX, right after a UA 744, and I could not tell the difference in noise level. They just had a different sound. On takeoff I am sure they are quieter than the 744, but 1/4 is nonsense. The A380 is not 20dB quieter.)
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:21 pm

Wow!! It was a very fierce fight for the order and it is now revealed. I wonder whether they place a follow on order in which the A350 would cover the capacity the 777-200 and 777-300 do. Now is for Boeing to offer one or two really big aircraft based on the 787 to win this segment of the market. With the way things are going on now at Airbus and the continuous redesign of the A350, it seems BA rather chose for this later. The order for the A380 though, is a big push for the European plane maker. Congratulations to both companies and their fine planes!
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:21 pm

A split order and not as many as some were expecting.

Was the 748I waiting at the alter?

Did you see the 787 delivery dates, much earlier than in discussions. I suspect that slots were reserved long ago.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:22 pm

Great news for BA , Boeing and airbus aswell . Sad to see the 748 loose out but the A380 is a great aircraft and i cant wait to fly it with BA . I guess with 18 options i would say that the 787-10 will be a serious competitor for a follow up order but we cannot rule out XWB-1000 aswell as interim 77W's . The 748 will have to find other customers .
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:24 pm

Also notice the dates:

Despite both aircraft being sold out past 2010, BA will start taking delivery in 2010.

So, what Airbus and Boeing mean when they say sold out is that there are no slots available based on orders AND secret reservations...

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

Well, BA only put the A380 on the radar this year, so who knows? As of last year, they said it was something to consider in the future.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:25 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
(BTW - the statement about noise is absolute bull. The A380 does not produce 1/4 the noise of a 744, nor does the 787

Presumably we'll soon see the "environmentalists" and BA in a courtroom near us soon..  Smile

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:29 pm

A380 is the major winner here, I'd say. Of course, not too bad for the 787 either, but Airbus really needed this order for the A380. RR engines in all the ordered planes is not really surprising, but does BA want RR also in whatever they order in the future also? 747-8 has only GE as an option and according to this, is not considered in the future for replacing the 744s, though the reason is not necessarily the engines... I wouldn't be surprised if BAs choice would be RR-powered 787-10s or 350s.

When was the last time BA ordered a plane that had not entered in service?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:31 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

Well, BA only put the A380 on the radar this year, so who knows? As of last year, they said it was something to consider in the future.

True, but in the above statement, it's not listed by BA as one of the aircraft being considered to replace its remaining 747-400's, hence my question.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Walsh even said as much re: the A380. And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

One pressure might have been the silent one from the residents of Windsor (one in particular) who would have hoped for any new planes to be higher as they passed over on take-off and if that took British wings, so be it. I am not sure about the early climb rate of the Rollers, but the later parts of the climb are better, so again that could be a plus.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:39 pm

Just got a call from work about this, so hopped on to check my message, and yep, all ordered  Smile

Would be nice to see teh 777 3000 in the fleet, they are nice aircraft

Congrats BA
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
True, but in the above statement, it's not listed by BA as one of the aircraft being considered to replace its remaining 747-400's, hence my question

Thats the only way to read it, weather one like it or not.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:44 pm

Congratulations to both Airbus and Boeing. The A380 will become the first long haul Airbus aircraft in BA's fleet. And BA becomes the first new 380 customer in ?? 2 years. A win-win for both companies

BA goes head to head with SQ and QF with the 380. If they bring it to JNB [currently 2x744 daily] I can't see SA [340] competing with them on the JNB-LHR route

So much for sold out slots. Space can be found for a premium customer. It looks like BA may not need bridging aircraft untill the new frames arrive.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
True, but in the above statement, it's not listed by BA as one of the aircraft being considered to replace its remaining 747-400's, hence my question

Hmm.... Keeps LH as the only customer

Interesting spin on the story from the Seattle PI...'Boeing gets British Airways order, but not the big victory'

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/333353_britishairways27.html
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 13):
When was the last time BA ordered a plane that had not entered in service?

It was the 777 I think.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:09 pm

Any idea yet what seating configuration(s) are being considered for the A380?

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:10 pm

I am still waiting for official word from Airbus, Boeing and BA but if this all proves true, there should be no surprise here. British Airways had to order the A380 to stay competitive with its peers (e.g., SQ, QF, EK) at its home base of LHR. Though many are loathe to admit this, it would have been inconceivable for BA to stand proudly with the public image created by having bigger equipment from those carriers trundling about Heathrow and docking at the new T5 (or elsewhere). BA had to have its livery flying on the same machine!!

I would love to see the revenue breakdown on this order. If true, which manufacturer made off with the lion's share of the dollar/euro pie?

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
"They are also much quieter than their predecessors, which is of vital
importance at Heathrow. Both the A380 and B787 are rated as producing a quarter
of the noise level of the B747-400.

Firstly, congratulations to A & B and I'm sure BA has made the correct choice. How could it not have gone for the A380 at it's slot constrained hub?

Re the quote. Don't you think this is a journalistic error? I think the noise footprints are 25% less than the 747. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Does Terminal 5 have airbridges for the A380? I seem to remember reading that it didn't have them incorporated in the original design. I suppose they have a year or two to get some upgraded.

What's the delivery schedule for the types. Have they got early slots for 2010 from deferred orders by others?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 22):
I am still waiting for official word from Airbus, Boeing and BA but if this all proves true

It's all over the news services. Just google it. It's true!  wink 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
The B787 will be used to start new routes and increase frequencies in
existing markets.

The RFP was to replace 14 767, so 24 787 is quite an increase in capacity. Does any one know the split between the 788 and the 789?
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:25 pm

WOW!! BA ordering the A380 really made my day; its a great day for Airbus, and will put some confidence in the Airbus A380 again. As for Boeing, well, they're used to their successes Big grin Congrats for them, too!
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:26 pm

No RR engines, no 748i for BA.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:27 pm

Well, nice orders for both Airbus and Boeing. More A380s and options (who said nobody takes Airbus options?) than many predicted.

This makes interesting reading for those that claim BA would downsize and add frequency and that LHR slots are not an issue:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
The A380 will be used to provide more capacity for the airline's key high-density markets and maximise use of scarce Heathrow slots.

Looks like no future for the 748i at BA:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and A350XWB.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 22):
am still waiting for official word from Airbus,

AIRBUS PRESS RELEASE

Quoting ,reply=:
BRITISH AIRWAYS TO BUY 12 AIRBUS A380 AIRCRAFT FOR LONG HAUL FLEET

British Airways will buy 12 Airbus A380 aircraft as part of the airlines’ long term fleet modernisation. The announcement marks the first time British Airways has selected to introduce Airbus aircraft for the company’s long haul fleet. The decision vindicates Airbus’ product strategy. The A380 is a key part of the solution for sustainable growth and eco efficiency in air transportation.

The aircraft will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines.

“The Airbus A380 will provide a great solution for our high density markets and get the most out of scarce London Heathrow slots. We said that environmental considerations would feature highly in our choice and our decision to buy these aircraft is consistent with this”, said Willie Walsh, British Airways Chief Executive.

“British Airways’ decision is another breakthrough for our flagship Airbus A380. After an intensive year-long competitive evaluation British Airways’ choice is proof our product is the right aircraft to tackle growth, airport capacity constraints as well as environmental concerns. We are delighted British Airways will be flying Airbus aircraft for the first time on their long haul routes”, said Tom Enders, Airbus CEO.

Being greener, cleaner, quieter and smarter, the A380 is already setting new standards for transport and the environment. The aircraft is the most fuel efficient aircraft flying today. The combination of extra passenger capacity without increasing the number of flights, excellent environmental performance and lower operating costs is an ideal solution for the airports and the airlines that serve them.

For passengers, the A380 offers wider, more comfortable seats in all classes and the quietest cabins in the sky. Its unique double-deck wide body architecture also gives airlines flexibility to economically offer improved comfort standards without reducing fleet capacity. To current standards for larger premium class products, the A380 can typically carry 525 passengers in three classes in unprecedented comfort on flights of over 8000 nm (15 000km).

British Airways first became an Airbus operator in 1988, when it began flying A320s. The airline added the A319s to its fleet in 1999 and the A321 in 2004. British Airways currently operate a total of 68 A320 family aircraft.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:33 pm

Not really a surprise I suppose, the number of A380s sounds about right as does the 787s...
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:43 pm

Given the current low value of the USD v's the British Pound and generally both A&B price in USD Dollars, BA must have got a great deal on these birds.

Both the A380 and the B787 will look excellent in the BA Livery.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:48 pm

The number of A380s seems to fit BA's plans nicely as some 744 routes sometimes don't even justify a 744. And the fact that they are considering 773, A350 & 787-10 to replace the remainder of the 744's will mean an interesting battle between Boeing and Airbus for the order!

And as I said before BA would be able to get hold of these aircraft in good time even though the order book is seemingly full up until a few years after 2010!!
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:49 pm

I think its a testament to both products that BA have gone for a split order between Airbus and Boeing, while my heart lays with Boeing I think the A380 will look great in BA colors and serve them well. I can't wait for the 787 to enter service because I think it will replace my favorite current aircraft the 767.

Congrats to all companies involved!
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:52 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 28):
Looks like no future for the 748i at BA

It looks like, but I believe today is too soon to know it.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:53 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.

Now this part seems very interesting. Does it mean they are not considering 748?
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:55 pm

I am sticken by the lack of B748i.

If there was one airline that would have gone for them, it would have been BA. They B744 fleet is so large!
Looks like they'll go the AF way and replace them all with B773. Wow - this is a shock.

What other airline would be in the market for B748i ?

A380: as expected. Some here had said it for a long time but disbelievers had found all sorts of reasons why not.
B787: makes absolute sense for replacing their 767 fleet. Great news!
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:56 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The future will still likely hold both the A350-1000/77W and 748i for BA, but not at this time. But it also won't be 9 more years, more likely 18 months.

I think they will only get one additional type between 787 and A380 - likely the A350XWB-1000.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:58 pm

An exciting day for us at BA, the challenge of introducing both the ultra large A380 and the innovative 787.

Sad to see the usual sour grapes BS here, as threatened.
While this choice would have been my favourite, really none of us outside those who made the evaluations knew which way it would go.
In fact, many will be surprised that 747-8 did not win out.

Both Boeing and Airbus have plenty to be happy about here.

As for the notion that this was 'telegraphed' in advance, not within BA it wasn't, maybe in the speculative, mountains out of molehillls media, but not on the ground.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 36):
What other airline would be in the market for B748i ?

Japanese are still silent, there Cathay and KLM and we'll see about BA, too
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:00 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 38):
I think they will only get one additional type between 787 and A380 - likely the A350XWB-1000.

Quite possible I would say...especially given theat the A350 is available with RR engines vs the 773ER and it's GE only...even though BA already op 777s with GE90s

Surprised nobody has suggested that Airbus have given BA the A380s for free  duck 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:01 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

Some people would do whatever it takes to bash Airbus order. PATHETIC.
I'd rather listen to Willie (who's a top manager and surely knows what he's doing) than to someone praising "Airbus doesn't win on merit" mantra...

That being said, congratulations to both manufacturers. Seeing 787s in BA livery will be a thrill!!
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:04 pm

Good, but not unexpected order, from BA. IMO, Airbus needed this order more than Boeing needed the 748i. But they went head to head and Airbus won. Congrats to their team. Because Willie Walsh believes "British is best," the unavailability of RR engines on the 748i had to hurt. OTOH, "Vindicating its product strategy" is very pompous indeed considering they ordered the 787 instead of the A350.

Now what does this order say about the A350? This is more that just a simple setback for the A350. You'd think that AB was trying to flip BA like they did SAA a while back. You know, a package deal - Along with the A380s, a bunch of A350s to replace the 767s and the 777s.... Willie did it when he was at Aer Lingus but it didn't work this time.


And we just may yet see 787 orders before the first flight. Big grin

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Skidmarque
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 41):
Surprised nobody has suggested that Airbus have given BA the A380s for free

Here you go :

Airbus gave BA the A380 for free.
DUCK !
 
kaitak744
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
So, what Airbus and Boeing mean when they say sold out is that there are no slots available based on orders AND secret reservations...

I don't know about Airbus, but from the beginning, Boeing has reserved 787 slots for key customers like AA, UA, DL, BA, ect. AA's president has even publicly stated this. It is no "secret."


The A380s will obviously not be replacing BA's 747-400s 1-1. I see their future fleet to be 787-8, 787-9, 787-10, Y3, A380.
(12 A380s to replace oldest 747s. Remaining 747s are young enough to wait for Y3).


Potential A380 routes:???

HKG 2x A380 + 1x 744
JNB 1x A380 + 1x 744
LAX 2x A380
JFK 2x A380 + (whatever)


EDIT: typo

[Edited 2007-09-27 10:11:08]
 
oldeuropean
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:07 pm

So far the prediction of Carl from New Boeing 747 And 787 For British Airways? (by T773ER Sep 24 2007 in Civil Aviation) :

Quote:
A friend of mine who work internally in BA told me that they already made a decision, and according to him BA will go with
15 A380
26 787-800
30 A350-1000
15 A350-900

nearly seems to be proven true.

So let us wait for the A350 order.

Axel

[Edited 2007-09-27 10:13:04]
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gkirk
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:09 pm

Quoting SkidMarque (Reply 44):
Here you go :

Airbus gave BA the A380 for free.

Fantastic Big grin

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 45):
Potential A380 routes:???

JFK: 1 x A380 + 5/6 B777/B787 daily
LAX: 1 x A380 + 1 x B777
SIN/SYD: 1 x A380
JNB: 1 x A380 + 1 B777
HKG: 1 x A380
NRT: 1 x A380 + 1 B777
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justloveplanes
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 27):
No RR engines, no 748i for BA.

I think its more than that. They are considering the 77W with GE engines.
 
Aleksandar
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:10 pm

Well, BA proved something now. They are cautious with new orders. They waited to see what will happen with A380 and its problems, they also waited with 787. Now, if someone else but LH had ordered 748 already, this list could look a bit different.

A380 would be great for BA, but nothing is yet final when it comes to complete replacement of their current 744 fleet and somehow, I believe everything is possible.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:11 pm

Congrats to Airbus and Boeing.. I hope the 773ER and 787-10 win in the next round!!
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Aleksandar
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting SkidMarque (Reply 44):
Airbus gave BA the A380 for free.

Can they give to me, too?  Wink
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
 
skyhigh
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:13 pm

Ok, sorry to go off on a tangent but can someone talk to me as if I am a 5 year old. I love everything about planes and their aesthetics but I admit to knowing nothing about the technical side.

Are the RR engines the best fit for the A380 or is this a political move? What are the basic differences between them and P&W or GE (I think those are the alternatives)?  confused 

Remember, I am not technically minded so some brief layman's terms would be good.

I don't want to start a war between those people who prefer one make to another!  duck 

Many thanks!
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