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Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:11 pm

Would the 747-400 sell as many as the 747-8 (cargo)???

Was there really a need to enhance the cargo version? In my opinion no because Airbus have and will not have a suitable competitor against the 747-4.
The 747-8 is purely developed for the passenger version as an answer against the A380.
So if only LH will take the passenger aircraft it seems to be a failure (which I don't hope). Why a failure; because the 747-400 would have been selling the same amount.....

What do you think?
 
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting Nijltje (Thread starter):
Would the 747-400 sell as many as the 747-8 (cargo)???

AFAIK the 747-400 is not produced anymore? I might be wrong here.

Quoting Nijltje (Thread starter):
The 747-8 is purely developed for the passenger version as an answer against the A380.
So if only LH will take the passenger aircraft it seems to be a failure (which I don't hope). Why a failure; because the 747-400 would have been selling the same amount.....

Somehow, I do not understand this part.  Smile
 
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 1):
AFAIK the 747-400 is not produced anymore? I might be wrong here.

Yeah i'm pretty sure your right.

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 1):
Somehow, I do not understand this part. Smile

Neither do I. Nijltje could you possibly be a little clearer, thanks.
 
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting InbarD (Reply 2):
AFAIK the 747-400 is not produced anymore? I might be wrong here.

Yeah i'm pretty sure your right.

He's right.

747-400 passenger jet is no more

Couldn't find a Boeing link oddly enough. Although there probably is one.
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting Nijltje (Thread starter):
Would the 747-400 sell as many as the 747-8 (cargo)?

In the near-term, yes. The 747 is the preferred freighter for loads greater then 100t, be it a 747-400F, 747-400ERF or 747-8F.

However, while the A380-800F in it's current form ended up not being competitive with the 747-400ERF, regardless of the statistics favoring it, the A380-800F will not remain in it's current form if it goes forward. So by making the 747F even better, Boeing reinforces its own position against an improved A380-800F.
 
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:31 am

sorry sorry gents, I ment that; if the 747-400 would still exist today and the 747-8 not would it sel as many as the 747-8 is selling now (cargo version)???
 
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting Nijltje (Reply 5):
sorry sorry gents, I ment that; if the 747-400 would still exist today and the 747-8 not would it sel as many as the 747-8 is selling now (cargo version)?

Well the 747-8F is a better freighter then the 747-400 (more range and greater payload), so it is possible some customers (like EK) who did buy the 748F would not have bought the 744F.
 
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:34 am

If Boeing didn't build the 748, the 744 pax would also have stopped being built a few years ago with the last China Airlines delivery, and the 744F would slowly die down by 2010, while the A-380F, 330F and 777F would have sold better (sold at all in case of the A-380F). Boeing HAD to come up with a more modern version with more efficient engines if they wanted to have the 747 still being built beyond 2010. We are now gloomy because BA didn't order it, but with a slow trickle of 747-8F orders and maybe a few other -8i's as well we can see the thing being built til at least 2020 or so, maybe another 250-400 combined but not in more spectacular numbers, I don't expect the total 747 production to reach 2000 frames.
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RE: Would The 747-400 Sell As Many As The 747-8

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
Boeing HAD to come up with a more modern version with more efficient engines if they wanted to have the 747 still being built beyond 2010.

I disagree. Despite the benefits and advantages touted by Airbus, the A388F never generated sales from any of the world's heavy-cargo carriers, much less from the cargo divisions of airlines who had bought the A388. And the 777F, as efficient and capable as it is, was still 20% or more down on raw payload to the 744F as well as not being able to take all the types of freight that heavy cargo operators carry aboard 744Fs.

Boeing would have continued to sell 744F and 744ERF planes well past 2010 - the fact that Boeing artificially cut-off deliveries for those planes at that date is proof that demand was still there for them.

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