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Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:29 am

I know for a fact that DL purchased like 20 737-700's. I heard that they'd be operated on Mexican and North American Short-Medium distance routes. They will have a capacity of 124 pax. There is still no word if they will have IFE. According to Wikipedia they will be entered into service June 08. Any word on the routes? I hope they come to ALB!
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:49 am

Not likely to see them in ALB. At a minimum they should have the drop down lcd screens that are basically standard on the 737 NG's (Their -800's have IFE). Not sure about PTV's though.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:51 am

They ordered 10.

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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:56 am

The entire 737NG fleet will, and is in the proceess of, receiving the AVOD system throughout the entire cabin. N3744F has already received the modification, in additon to APB winglets. It should roll out of the paint hangar in new colors within the week as well.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:01 am

If they got ER versions perhaps they could be used on the small transatlantic markets such as EDI etc from JFK.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 4):
If they got ER versions perhaps they could be used on the small transatlantic markets such as EDI etc from JFK.

That service most likely will come on a 752. DL just announced several new Europe destinations from JFK that will include 752 service to the likes of EDI:
http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10861
The 737NGs will be used for some of the Latin American destinations that don't need the 185 seat capacity of a 752, but need better take-off performance than a 738 can offer. If DL starts getting more 737s, they most likely will go this route as well as a few more 738s. But if they have to hold down or cut back domestic capacity and still get more newer 737s, look for them to start unloading some of the MD-88s. More than likely however, they will continue to defer or 3rd party swap from their 738 order.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 4):
If they got ER versions perhaps they could be used on the small transatlantic markets such as EDI etc from JFK.

Not likely. The aquisition of ex-TWA 757-200ERs took care of that need.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:15 am

The 737-700s are intended to fly into South America and high altitude N. American destinations.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:28 am

I have a feeling that markets like ELP-SLC or ELP-ATL will be the prime market for DL's 73G's...  Wink
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:14 am

I just flew MEX-SLC on a DL B738 and it was too much capacity for this route. A B73G would be very useful, since most of the times there are 70 to 100 passengers on it. Additionally, MEX and SLC are hot airports and MEX is also high altitude, so the B73G could do a better work!!! Lets see if DL keeps this flight and if it does, hopefully it will become a B73G route.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 8):
I have a feeling that markets like ELP-SLC

This route is strictly CRJ equipment now and for the foreseeable future. ATL-ELP could be offered on mainline however.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):
I just flew MEX-SLC on a DL B738 and it was too much capacity for this route. A B73G would be very useful, since most of the times there are 70 to 100 passengers on it. Additionally, MEX and SLC are hot airports and MEX is also high altitude,

Both airports are very high in altitude, MEX is hotter year around due to being 20 degrees further south in latitude. MEX-SLC is very dependant upon connecting traffic, but I think DL will keep the route, even though equipment adjustments likely will happen (A CRJ-7/9 on this route would not surprise me at least on some days).
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 8):
I have a feeling that markets like ELP-SLC or ELP-ATL will be the prime market for DL's 73G's...



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
ATL-ELP could be offered on mainline however.

ELPATL is flown w/ an MD80 and that is all it will get. There is no reason to put a new aircraft on it when there are 120 others that will do the job. The 10 73Gs will be in high demand for where no other aircraft will work.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):

I just flew MEX-SLC on a DL B738 and it was too much capacity for this route.

possibly you flew on days where you didn't see the peak demand.

BTW,
DL's exec for Latin America was quoted as saying that DL would very much like to be the #1 airline in Latin America. That should give you some idea of what their goals for growth are.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
The 10 73Gs will be in high demand for where no other aircraft will work.

Hmm, maybe they need more than 10 Wink
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:32 am

I still could see them being used on short Southeastern routes such as ATL-GSP/CAE/GSO/RDU/CLT/ORF/HSV/etc. as a RON turn. A lot of the Caribbean turns leave around 9-10a and return to ATL by 8-9p, so they could easily add a short flight somewhere in the Southeast to add some utilization to these planes.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:16 am

I recall having read here that some Caribbean routes would see the -700s.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:28 am

DL 73Gs are for LatAm runs - you'll see them on domestic runs in between.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:33 am

it was said they could be seen in the Caribbean - which is part of DOT Latin America.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
ELPATL is flown w/ an MD80 and that is all it will get. There is no reason to put a new aircraft on it when there are 120 others that will do the job.

Didn't I say "mainline?" I didn't infer they could use a new 737NG on this one, the MD-88 works fine, just as a CRJ works for getting to SLC with what demand there is.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
The 10 73Gs will be in high demand for where no other aircraft will work.

 checkmark  Exactly. Some underutilized 752s will be freed up from runs where they were the only aircraft that had the performance to get off.

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 12):
Hmm, maybe they need more than 10

And park some "sacred cow" MD-88s in the desert?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
I recall having read here that some Caribbean routes would see the -700s.

 checkmark  BINGO! Especially during the peak winter months.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 pm

I was understanding these aircraft were bought because of their especially strong hot and high performance and the fact that they could operate places where nothing else, perhaps barring a 757-200.

I can imagine they buy more of the 737-700s soon. I can't wait until the PTVs are throughout the fleet.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
Both airports are very high in altitude, MEX is hotter year around due to being 20 degrees further south in latitude. MEX-SLC is very dependant upon connecting traffic, but I think DL will keep the route, even though equipment adjustments likely will happen (A CRJ-7/9 on this route would not surprise me at least on some days).

Could a CR7/9 even do that? SLC-MEX is 1657mi by Great Circle, plus the heat and altitude.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15):
DL 73Gs are for LatAm runs - you'll see them on domestic runs in between.

Will DL open any new domestic routes or just fit the 73Gs into existing domestic services? I'm curious about BUR-ATL, which doesn't appear to be served by DL. It seems perfect for the 73G in capacity and performance. All DL has right now from BUR are CR2s to SLC.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 19):
Could a CR7/9 even do that? SLC-MEX is 1657mi by Great Circle, plus the heat and altitude.

 checkmark  The CRJ-7/9 can do it, but not a CRJ-100/200. The larger CRJs (even though an E170 would be preferable for passenger comfort) are often used as even trans-cons on route development flights such as SLC-YYZ or even SLC-PIT until passenger loads can justify mainline service with an MD-90 or 738.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:11 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 18):
I can't wait until the PTVs are throughout the fleet.

Does this mean MD-88/90's will get them too? Does any MD-80 operator in the world offer PVT's on theirs?
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:31 pm

With only 10 coming (so far) I would expect that if you see them on domestic runs it won't really be for new ones.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:50 pm

Agreed. They may stay on domestic runs during their first few months of service, but they'll want to get the most out of the 737-700's range out of ATL much like competitor NK does with their A319s out of FLL.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 21):
Does this mean MD-88/90's will get them too? Does any MD-80 operator in the world offer PVT's on theirs?

No, unforunately. Besides, this is a thread about 737NGs, not MD-88/90. I should have been more specific.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 12):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
The 10 73Gs will be in high demand for where no other aircraft will work.

Hmm, maybe they need more than 10 Wink

"Maybe"  Wink ?!?

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 17):
And park some "sacred cow" MD-88s in the desert?

Park the MD-88s? That'll happen the day NW retires their DC-9s  Wink .

IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 73Gs being used to Ecuador to split UIO and GYE into two seperate flight instead of a 757 triangle flights, and obviously routes to Central America (e.g. MGA), and most likely a few short domestic rotations out of ATL in between LatAm flights. No use in keeping multiple 73Gs on the ground at ATL for hours between flights if they can be used for a short hop to places like GSO, JAX or the like.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
Will DL open any new domestic routes or just fit the 73Gs into existing domestic services? I'm curious about BUR-ATL, which doesn't appear to be served by DL. It seems perfect for the 73G in capacity and performance. All DL has right now from BUR are CR2s to SLC.

In the last 12 months DL has operated Non-Stop ATL-BUR-ATL service on the B757. The idea behind operating into a city with CRJ's on the connection carrier allows the flexiability of offering mainline service when the demand arises, due to seasonality or day of the week type demand. DL has been very successful with this type of strategy. There are several markets that DL operates with CRJ's most of the year, but then during peak periods will either replace the CRJ or add a mainline frequency. Another example of this is ATL-PSP-ATL, typically this is all CRJ service, but for the last couple of years DL has operated a Non-Stop ATL-PSP-ATL frequency during the winter months when there is stronger demand. It's really a very smart use of all of an airlines resources. Warmest Regards to all
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3):
The entire 737NG fleet will, and is in the proceess of, receiving the AVOD system throughout the entire cabin. N3744F has already received the modification, in additon to APB winglets. It should roll out of the paint hangar in new colors within the week as well.

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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
The 737NGs will be used for some of the Latin American destinations that don't need the 185 seat capacity of a 752, but need better take-off performance than a 738 can offer.

Just one minor point: The 737-800 is considered a "NG" as well. The "NG" (next generation) moniker was given by Boeing to the -600, -700, -800 and -900 series of 737's. Otherwise an excellent post as always!

When Delta first purchased the -832's there was some consideration to flying them to Ireland out of Boston, and that seemed to play into the new terminal plans at BOS. That idea quickly died however and Europe has not been on the board for the -832's since.

Latin America out of SLC, LAX and ATL will see extensive service by both the -800's and -700's as well as 757's. We are told that you can expect to see significant growth in LAX in the near future in order to better serve these routes. That is indeed one of the reasons Delta has thrown so many RJ's into LAX as of late, because DAL was being pressured by Los Angeles to either use it's allotted capacity in LAX or give it up. The RJ's are acting as "place-holders" until more equipment from Boeing is available. (Of course, we been hearing that RJ scenario for years. Let's wait to see if it really plays out.)

I also might add that DAL has several -832's scheduled for delivery next year as well. I've been flying them for 8 years now and I've only had 2 flights canceled due to maintenance issues. They are very tough and reliable birds.
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Brettdespain (Reply 28):
I also might add that DAL has several -832's scheduled for delivery next year as well.

None of which will be flying for DL though  Wink .
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 4):
If they got ER versions perhaps they could be used on the small transatlantic markets such as EDI etc from JFK.

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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:53 am

Does anyone else feel the introduction of the 737NG into the DL fleet will spell the end of the MD90? The amount of aircraft on order and the uses for the aircraft speculated in this thread seem appropriate...

Thoughts?
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 31):
Does anyone else feel the introduction of the 737NG into the DL fleet will spell the end of the MD90? The amount of aircraft on order and the uses for the aircraft speculated in this thread seem appropriate...

First, Delta has been flying 737NGs for years, they are called 737-800s, second, DL only has 10 73Gs on order and 16 active MD-90s, third, the 73Gs will offer 26 seats less than the MD-90s, and fourth, they will be used to south of the border, somewhere DL hasn't even sent an MD-90 before, so obviously, no, the 73Gs won't spell the end of the MD-90 in DL's fleet.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 29):
None of which will be flying for DL though

not true DL has almost 50 738s on order and is selling 38 of them (which most that come next year DL will keep)
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 32):
First, Delta has been flying 737NGs for years, they are called 737-800s, second, DL only has 10 73Gs on order and 16 active MD-90s, third, the 73Gs will offer 26 seats less than the MD-90s, and fourth, they will be used to south of the border, somewhere DL hasn't even sent an MD-90 before, so obviously, no, the 73Gs won't spell the end of the MD-90 in DL's fleet.

Ok picky and rude. 73G...so sorry. Yes, 10 73G versus 16 MD90, and yes fewer seats, but not to forget the addition of new 757's and 738's. The loss in capacity from removing the MD90's would be more than accounted for. Hence my curiosity.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 33):
not true DL has almost 50 738s on order and is selling 38 of them (which most that come next year DL will keep)

Delta is selling 48 of their 50 738s they still had on order. They will only take delivery of the last 2 738s on order, to be delivered in 2009.

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 34):
Ok picky and rude.

If you consider stating facts "picky and rude"...

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 34):
Yes, 10 73G versus 16 MD90, and yes fewer seats, but not to forget the addition of new 757's and 738's.

The ex-TW 757s are being used for international expansion, not domestic. And even if you count the 2 738s, you'd still have just 12 planes to replace 16 planes. And as said, the 73Gs are not planned for domestic use either.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
possibly you flew on days where you didn't see the peak demand.

Every time I fly the MEX-SLC route, it is the same (last time was on a Friday). Additionally, when I flew MEX-ATL (3 times in the last 3 months) the SLC flight had light loads and the JFK and ATL were full (DL evening departures from MEX are MEX-ATL, MEX-JFK and MEX-SLC all departing between 3:15pm and 3:30pm and they get 3 gates together). The DL agent told me that from December to April the SLC flight goes out full, but during the summer loads go down a lot.

Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 19):
Could a CR7/9 even do that? SLC-MEX is 1657mi by Great Circle, plus the heat and altitude.

I would expect an E170 for the route during the summer season, but I don't know how good the aircraft performs in both airports!!
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 35):
If you consider stating facts "picky and rude"...

The way you presented your facts was rude and inconsiderate. I would have not felt offended had you presented your information in a constructive manner rather than responding as if you are annoyed with my thoughts.

That aside, the MD90 seems as though it would be an expensive fleet given the few airplanes DL has. Differences training for pilots, systems training for mechanics, spare parts, and few options to swap in the event of a mechanical are all examples of how a 737 replacement for the MD90 would appear to be a viable option.

This is not to say I disklike the 90, they are some of my favorite airplanes to nonrev! I wish they would transit ATL more often these days.
 
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 37):
That aside, the MD90 seems as though it would be an expensive fleet given the few airplanes DL has. Differences training for pilots, systems training for mechanics, spare parts, and few options to swap in the event of a mechanical are all examples of how a 737 replacement for the MD90 would appear to be a viable option.

who said DL wasn't looking into getting more(and no not just a a.net rumor)
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RE: Delta's 737-700's

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 38):
who said DL wasn't looking into getting more(and no not just a a.net rumor)

That would be a fantastic addition to the DL fleet. Another viable option. But who is willing to lose their 90's for Delta to absorb?

On a side note, who operates the full glass flight deck version of the 90? And is the avionics suite found in these airplanes the same as that found in the 717?

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